Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Allakazam223]

So the only real megacity in canada is basically your version of Barcelona. And it is given most of the ellectoral power and pandered as hard as Madrid. And they have the highest unemployment rate.

I am surprised Canada isn't constantly on fire.

Only Kekbekers consider Montreal a megacity. Toronto or Ottawa, maybe, but Montreal is a meme.

Eta to illustrate what a meme it is; I had to think a few moments to even think of Montreal when you said megacity.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Apparently the original version was a single 15,000 line C++ file. If you're not a programmer at all, be assured that this simple fact will already be making those who are shudder.

To put this in better perspective for non-techies, single-file coding is something one *might* get away with in Computer Science I or an introductory programming class where learning the most basic of programming concepts along with a language take precedence over elegance and proper coding standards/style. Those people that go on to take Computer Science II or any other course in software engineering learn about modular, reusable code so that common tasks are separated from the main code so they can be used across multiple programs or apps.

An application consisting of a single file with 15k or more lines of code sounds like the classic example of spaghetti code and it sounds too large to be someone's quick and dirty program to do something on the fly with plans to clean up the code later. Even if that file was released to the public, I'm willing to bet it's so poorly written that trying to walk through the code would be an exercise in futility. The fact something like this got moved to production is scary given past stories of bad code that caused serious problems.

10 homes on my street have had a primary breadwinner laid off in the last week. People in office jobs who businesses are downsizing or just cutting their workforce. Their kids were mostly retail workers who got hit weeks ago.

The morgage branch workers at banks have to be on suicide watch right now.

I'm not sure banks will be critical yet. Some areas have issued moratoriums on foreclosures, which has led banks to encourage mortgage payers to contact them to discuss adjusted payment terms. Many banks are encouraging people to make partial payments if they can afford it, and others seem willing to adjust payments in some fashion to give payers relief over the next few months until they're back to work and their finances stabilize again. The lack of interest on these mortgages will undoubtedly be a cash flow crunch for banks, but they should be OK for now unless shutdowns drag out well beyond the summer. As it is, interest rates on savings accounts are already abysmal, so it's not like banks are spending or paying out more than they have to right now.

That said, big feels for the families where nobody is able to bring in any household income right now.

Another thing, they've closed all the bottle return machines at every Walmart and grocery store in my town.

Bottle return has been suspended in many places across the US; I can confirm that it's happened with stores around here. I can't recall if there were reasons beyond social distancing because -- let's face it -- any store with self-service bottle return machines has one or more machines out of order any given day, leaving people to all crowd together waiting for the one or two machines that still work.

Once that restriction lifts, I imagine there will be a run on people maxing out their bottle return refunds until they're rid of all their returnables.

 

[weegrumpy]

Pissed off at WeeJimmie Krankie still continuing lockdown ffs the figures are acceptable silly moo

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Only Kekbekers consider Montreal a megacity. Toronto or Ottawa, maybe, but Montreal is a meme.

Eta to illustrate what a meme it is; I had to think a few moments to even think of Montreal when you said megacity.

I had to check.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canada_by_province_and_territory

Ontario has the most density which I didn't know. But quebec is number 2.

And this does actually explain a lot. Look at spain. 2nd biggest city? Barcelona. Look at US. 2nd biggest city? In california. Every time. 2nd biggest city is ALWAYS the biggest shithole. Why is that a thing I don't know but it is universal.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

BoJo is due to make an announcement at 19:00 this evening (2.5 hours from now)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52602635

Looks like we could be going to "less strict lockdown" . Though it's already pretty casual compared to some places.

ETA:
Also, the BBC has an article speculating on evidence that WuFlu was here much earlier than the official date, as we often have in this thread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52589449

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I find it interesting that the BBC is floating this idea. Must be a shift in the narrative coming ....

 

[Shield Breaker]

Still amazed it took less than two months for me to be 100% vindicated.

What are you vindicated about? I don't want to have to dig through the thread.

 

[JosephStalin]

Were the lockdowns a mistake? Everything past two weeks was not just a mistake, but a criminal act. Believe the way in which these house arrests were carried out will end up in the history books as one of the biggest fuckups ever in American history.

Were the COVID-19 Lockdowns a Mistake?

Andrew I. Friedson says they flattened the curve. Lyman Stone disagrees.

reason.com

https://archive.vn/HYxhV

Someone in NY State believes Cuomo killed their mom. Believe Cuomo should be very careful.

https://twitter.com/GaetaSusan/status/1258974380698279937

Susan❤ UnitedWeStand ⭐⭐⭐ on Twitter: "This is so sad. One can only sp…

archived 10 May 2020 15:50:53 UTC

archive.vn

 

[mindlessobserver]

Democratic governors continuing strict lockdowns into June are just engaging in economic vandalism at this point tbqh.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Okay guys I want a sitrep from y'all. Reopenings are starting, the death toll is about 2000 a day now for us yanks, and the state gubments are going through various levels of madness.

What are your honest thoughts about the current situation? Do you think we should still be in quarantine? Do you think the coof is still as deadly as you did before?

Even though I don't get to start back until June, I am still lucky because I have a job to go back to. They fired 75% of the employees and when things get better, they will have to reapply like anyone else. While I am pissed at my company, I am even more pissed at these asshole politicians who are ruining peoples' lives in their power trips.

 

[afternoon_tea]

To put this in better perspective for non-techies, single-file coding is something one *might* get away with in Computer Science I or an introductory programming class where learning the most basic of programming concepts along with a language take precedence over elegance and proper coding standards/style. Those people that go on to take Computer Science II or any other course in software engineering learn about modular, reusable code so that common tasks are separated from the main code so they can be used across multiple programs or apps.

An application consisting of a single file with 15k or more lines of code sounds like the classic example of spaghetti code and it sounds too large to be someone's quick and dirty program to do something on the fly with plans to clean up the code later. Even if that file was released to the public, I'm willing to bet it's so poorly written that trying to walk through the code would be an exercise in futility. The fact something like this got moved to production is scary given past stories of bad code that caused serious problems.


I'm not sure banks will be critical yet. Some areas have issued moratoriums on foreclosures, which has led banks to encourage mortgage payers to contact them to discuss adjusted payment terms. Many banks are encouraging people to make partial payments if they can afford it, and others seem willing to adjust payments in some fashion to give payers relief over the next few months until they're back to work and their finances stabilize again. The lack of interest on these mortgages will undoubtedly be a cash flow crunch for banks, but they should be OK for now unless shutdowns drag out well beyond the summer. As it is, interest rates on savings accounts are already abysmal, so it's not like banks are spending or paying out more than they have to right now.

That said, big feels for the families where nobody is able to bring in any household income right now.


Bottle return has been suspended in many places across the US; I can confirm that it's happened with stores around here. I can't recall if there were reasons beyond social distancing because -- let's face it -- any store with self-service bottle return machines has one or more machines out of order any given day, leaving people to all crowd together waiting for the one or two machines that still work.

Once that restriction lifts, I imagine there will be a run on people maxing out their bottle return refunds until they're rid of all their returnables.

Our bottle returns are closed too and I wondered about this. At my job we weren't taking returns on any products for a month, and supposedly the reason behind that was to not have the service desk people handling potentially germy stuff that was in people's houses, so I think that's also part of the reason they closed the bottle rooms besides social distancing. Like how they won't let you use reusable coffee cups at the gas station anymore because they don't want you bringing in something your mouth has been all over.

I don't think it's state mandated though, or atleast not every store is following it according to the can collecting hobo I sometimes talk to on my smoke break.

They still charge the deposit when you buy bottles and cans though.

 

[I can't imagine]

With "IU" you mean International Units? If so. Do they not just mark it as mg, ng, ug etc? 'Cause that's what the IUs are you know.

Yeah knowing what every vitamin should get in grams is a pain in the ass but that's for all chemistry. Think of it this way. Every chemical in your body has a range between X and Y grams per liter of blood at which it should stay. Less than that and you're fucked. More you're fucked too. For every chemical it is a different range. For every person they have a different bodymass and blood volume so that also changes how much they gotta take to get to that range.

Is this a pain? Oh yes. Yes. But no unit can really fix it. You gotta just grab the list and check yourself really. This is a problem not just for vitamins but also many medicines. Either way I hope they're marking which of the IUs they use for every chemical. 'Cause if not they're being even more obtuse innecessarily.

The specific problem with IU in the case of Vitamin D is that some doctors prescribe Vitamin D supplements to their patients using mcg, and others use IU. At least in recent years, manufacturers have gotten better about including both numbers on the front label, but for a long time they only put the IU on the front. Which tended to lead to people coming in to pharmacies looking for supplements, only knowing the number "25" and being confused when the smallest dose they could find says 400 on the bottle. Invariably, these are older patients, so they tend to want to follow their doctor's suggestion exactly, so you'd have to patiently explain that 25 mcg is 1000 IU, and that this bottle right here is the one you want.

I ran the over-the-counter portion of a pharmacy for several years, and it was one of the most common problems I had dealing with patients.

Most everything else, it isn't terribly relevant, since doctors seem to only use IU (Vitamin A), only use metric (Vitamin C), or the script gets filled by the pharmacy (insulin). Vitamin D is the only one I can think of where doctors can't seem to decide which measure to use.

 

[JosephStalin]

Democratic governors continuing strict lockdowns into June are just engaging in economic vandalism at this point tbqh.

In my opinion, they are engaging in criminal acts.

Here are some examples of just what these little Hitlers do to their people.

Many COVID-19 Lockdown Rules Seem Like Arbitrary Nonsense

In a nation of edicts, we serve at the pleasure of the king.

reason.com

Many COVID-19 Lockdown Rules Seem Like Arbitrary Nonsense – Reason.com

archived 10 May 2020 16:36:10 UTC

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The harsher the quarantine, the harder the pushback. Believe we will be lucky to get through this without widespread violence. As it is, the bond of trust between the people and government/law enforcement has been badly damaged, possibly irreparably.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Most everything else, it isn't terribly relevant, since doctors seem to only use IU (Vitamin A), only use metric (Vitamin C), or the script gets filled by the pharmacy (insulin). Vitamin D is the only one I can think of where doctors can't seem to decide which measure to use.

Vitamin E gets the IU too.

I don't really know why this is a thing.

 

[RodgerDodger]

To be honest, I think it might be the carpooling. Hear me out. Lots of people carpool here at my plant. 3-4 people to a car. They can isolate at home/work all they want, but if one gets sick they all do. Seen it time and time again.


Kekbec is widely known for their mismash of "French", hating the rest of Canada, and making sure the rest of Canada is paying them. For being a bunch of seperatists, they realized that their only exports are insanity and maple syrup.

Judging by what we are seeing in the Chicken Plants in Georgia, it’s more that a huge percentage of the employees are illegal, and living 15 to a house, company dorm style. The Mexivan takes them to work. The Mexi van takes them from work. It’s a wonderful little cluster of third world density in the middle of rural America.

the more we look, the more it becomes apparent that density and living space seem to be the biggest vectors. Small tight apartments with close hallways and elevators or common indoor stairwells. Mass transit. Dense working conditions with frequent close contact.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

Vitamin E gets the IU too.

I don't really know why this is a thing.

Is it the ones that have 'equivalents' . E.g. take 1mg of pure Vitamin A , or so many mg of beta carotene ?
IU lets the doc specify the effective amount.

Completely guessing.

ETA:
google says, yes , something like that

What Does "IU" Mean in Vitamins? | Livestrong.com

Most consumers don't need to convert in or out of the IU measurement. Just be aware that "IU" is a standardized gauge of a supplement's biological activity.

www.livestrong.com

The fat soluble vitamins are expressed in IU to specify the biological effect, regardless of the source to account for different conversion efficiencies.

 

[Never Scored]

Only Kekbekers consider Montreal a megacity. Toronto or Ottawa, maybe, but Montreal is a meme.

Eta to illustrate what a meme it is; I had to think a few moments to even think of Montreal when you said megacity.

People in Toronto like to think they are like New York. They're actually closer to Chicago when you look at the population, the density and the distance from the ocean. I don't really think we have any mega cities tbh.

 

[MediocreMilt]

To put this in better perspective for non-techies, single-file coding is something one *might* get away with in Computer Science I or an introductory programming class where learning the most basic of programming concepts along with a language take precedence over elegance and proper coding standards/style. Those people that go on to take Computer Science II or any other course in software engineering learn about modular, reusable code so that common tasks are separated from the main code so they can be used across multiple programs or apps.

An application consisting of a single file with 15k or more lines of code sounds like the classic example of spaghetti code and it sounds too large to be someone's quick and dirty program to do something on the fly with plans to clean up the code later. Even if that file was released to the public, I'm willing to bet it's so poorly written that trying to walk through the code would be an exercise in futility. The fact something like this got moved to production is scary given past stories of bad code that caused serious problems.

I just want to know:

• were there functions/procedures besides "main"
• how often did they use "goto"

 

[FatalTater]

I spoke with a southern Kentucky Walmart employee today. He said that when the lockdown stuff first happened, the store got cleaned out by people stocking up, but now it's not so bad. They are still having problems keeping paper towels and toilet paper in stock, but there's usually some to be had. Supply for food is still off, like one day they get a shipment with lots of meat and small amount of dairy, the next day they get lots of dairy but small amount of meat. They've put the arrow stickers on the floors but most shoppers seem to be ignoring them.

He is very not-happy about the state of his 401k.

 

[Overly Serious]

I just want to know:

• were there functions/procedures besides "main"
• how often did they use "goto"

There are functions besides main. (But not methods because they don't know what classes are).
There are GoTo's used liberally throughout what appears to be their random number code (Rand.cpp in their source code).

So yes to both.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

The specific problem with IU in the case of Vitamin D is that some doctors prescribe Vitamin D supplements to their patients using mcg, and others use IU. At least in recent years, manufacturers have gotten better about including both numbers on the front label, but for a long time they only put the IU on the front. Which tended to lead to people coming in to pharmacies looking for supplements, only knowing the number "25" and being confused when the smallest dose they could find says 400 on the bottle. Invariably, these are older patients, so they tend to want to follow their doctor's suggestion exactly, so you'd have to patiently explain that 25 mcg is 1000 IU, and that this bottle right here is the one you want.

I ran the over-the-counter portion of a pharmacy for several years, and it was one of the most common problems I had dealing with patients.

Most everything else, it isn't terribly relevant, since doctors seem to only use IU (Vitamin A), only use metric (Vitamin C), or the script gets filled by the pharmacy (insulin). Vitamin D is the only one I can think of where doctors can't seem to decide which measure to use.

And today on shit that has nothing to do with the wuhan flu but still makes you say WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. AN. IU?! No for real!! I checked:

How to convert International units (IU) to mcg or mg

Find out how to convert between International units and micrograms or milligrams.

www.thecalculatorsite.com

So it seems I was right about IUs being International Units. But I was wrong in how to interpret it. See. When they talk you about International Units over here in the peninsula of autism. They mean the Standard International System of Units. Which apparently you call the Metric System over there in burgerland. And which everyone else just refers to as SI. This system just so happens to use mgs and ugs for medicine. ug, btw comes from (greek letter "mu")g and is how we, alongside the rest of the known world outside of apparently burgerland and possibly some backwards 3rd world shitholes, refer to micrograms. Or what you call mcgs. Because why even. Here's a spanish multivitamin complex to showcase it:

So my immediate question is: who is being weird here? Spain? Or burgerland. The answer may surprise you! For one spain's not the autism motherload! Yes that's right it's you fucking weirdos in burgerland having this issue.
Here's a british magnesium tablet. As you can see. They use the same system as everyone else. The SIUs, grams.

So I can't avoid the immediate observation. Both you and the web claim american doctors have great issue dealing with IUs. But... what the fuck even are there and why are they being used?! I had literally never heard of them. And I both study biotech and help in a hospital. I can assure you we have no issue with them because we don't even know they exist! Well for one let me quote wikipedia:

International unit - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So it seems the IUs are a system of units created by the WHO and which use a fairly subjective description varying wildly by substance. Who defines this metrics?

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9650

Oh of course a commitee of the WHO itself. Of course. They literally define what IUs are on the fly for their own purposes. Yeah I can see why we ignored it. And checking online it seems almost all of the rest of the world has too. I can only find isntances of IUs being used by burgerlanders.

So... in conclusion. You muricans really will use just about fucking anything you can for measurement so long as it's not the metric system.