🐱 Anti-Porn Groups Target Websites' Ability to Accept Credit Card Payments

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Taking a page from their crusades against Craigslist and Backpage, anti-sex-work campaigners are calling for credit card companies to stop doing business with porn websites.

In a new letter to credit card companies, activists throw around phrases like sex trafficking and child abuse while positioning their request as a common-sense plea to stop exploitation. "The letter was sent to 10 major credit card companies, including the 'Big Three', Visa, MasterCard and American Express," reports the BBC. Signed by groups from the U.S., the U.K., India, and elsewhere, it asks these companies to immediately stop doing business with Pornhub and other online porn platforms.

The groups suggest that since it is impossible to "judge or verify consent" in online porn content, "let alone live webcam videos," we should treat all online porn as if it's recorded rape.

A Pornhub spokesperson told the BBC that the letter is "not only factually wrong but also intentionally misleading" and that these signatories were simply attempting "to police people's sexual orientation and activity." The spokesperson added that Pornhub has "a steadfast commitment to eradicating and fighting any and all illegal content, including non-consensual and under-age material," and "any suggestion otherwise is categorically and factually inaccurate."

This isn't the first time activists have gone after the ability of websites to process payments related to sex work. When Craigslist and later Backpage were the moral panic's big targets, advocates including Illinois sheriff Tom Dart lobbied companies to stop doing business with these websites—even though government officials and advocacy groups had earlier asked Craigslist and Backpage to accept credit card payments because they thought it would make tracking customers easier.

Dart went so far as to threaten credit card companies that did business with Backpage, prompting Visa and Mastercard to temporarily suspend their services. (This was later ruled unconstitutional.) In the wake of this, Backpage began accepting Bitcoin and personal checks for classified-ad payments. Federal prosecutors(which seized Backpage in 2018 and are still fighting to send its founders to prison) and folks like Sen. Kamala Harris (who tried twice, unsuccessfully, to convict Backpage leaders when she was attorney general of California) have framed the shift to Bitcoin as an attempt to hide illegal activity; they paint the personal checks as an attempt at money laundering.

Even worse, mistakenly shared memos from federal prosecutors (which a judge has ruled inadmissible, despite their exculpatory nature) show that the federal government strategized about how check or cryptocurrency payments could be used in a money-laundering case against Backpage several years before Dart would use unconstitutional means to ensure that the company had to accept these methods if it wanted to make money.

"They won't stop at Backpage," we warned here back in 2017. And they certainly haven't. Since then, every tactic activists used to demonize (at the expense of sex workers, trafficking victims, and free speech) has been expanded into broader internet territory.

They said the 2018 law FOSTA would carve out an exception to Section 230 (which is basically the internet's First Amendment) only to stop sex trafficking; now they say Section 230 carve outs are needed to fight everything from gun violence to terrorism to revenge porn to people being mean to conservatives to not removing ads that Joe Biden doesn't like.

They said Backpage was just especially bad and needed special consideration; since then, they've used the same logic in cases against Facebook, Craigslist, and Mailchimp—and in legislation aiming to kill encrypted communications entirely.

Now they're pushing to frame all adult-content platforms—including those, like webcams, that make sex work safer and put that performers in more control—as sex-trafficking venues and to bully credit card businesses into dropping their business. Right now they're pressuring them privately, but don't be surprised when the politicians join in. Backpage and small sex-work ad sites were the test case. Censoring the rest of the internet is the goal.
 
Yep, no underage girls have ever tried to use webcams, and all porn sites verify every camgirl with driver’s license and SSN.

Ok, I’m sure it’s not common, but let’s not act like all porn is virtuous, either.
Unless streaming sites get rid of all amateur and/or self-made stuff there will never be a way to gage consent or legality.
 
i heard about this, but didn't get any of the details.

From what i've seen of these activists around twitter, they claim pornhub is complicit in sex trafficking and hosting child porn, claiming it should be shut down because of cases like this.

Laila Mickelwait started up #TraffickingHub and a petition to basically get pornhub shutdown because of these claims.

My favorite part is this:


:story: you cant close down pornhub because people have degenerate fetishes. Sex trafficking is one thing. Childporn is awful. But fetish content with people who look young is just appealing to the DDLG world and people with rape fantasy fetishes. Incest content is pretty popular too atm, don't see you crying over videos of daddy fucking little girl content that's everywhere on the internet rn (not even just on pornsites).



A Florida man is facing charges after being linked to almost 60 pornographic videos of a missing 15-year-old girl who police found alive.

The South Florida SunSentinel reports the girl's mother found images of her daughter that had been posted on Periscope, Pornhub, Modelhub, Snapchat and other websites months after she went missing.


In the videos, the girl was with a bald man whom police recognized as someone the girl was with in February, when a convenience store clerk recognized her and called authorities.

Store surveillance video showed the girl trying to shield her face so the clerk couldn't see her. The girl and the man got into a Dodge Challenger with another man and drove away.

Investigators eventually linked the car to 30-year-old Christopher Johnson and conducted surveillance at the man's apartment in Davie. On Tuesday, they arrested him after he and the girl got into a black Dodge Challenger.

The girl told detectives that many of the porn videos had been made at Johnson's apartment, according to a police report.

Johnson denied having sex with the girl, but "the victim stated that she got pregnant from the defendant and he took her to the clinic to have an abortion," Detective Adam Granit wrote in the report.

No other details about the victim were provided, including why she left home or where she is now.

Johnson is charged with lewd and lascivious battery on a child and is being held on a $75,000 bond. A lawyer for him wasn't listed in jail records.
 
Way too late now. The early 00's was their last shot basically.
There may be another op coming in a few years, parents may well be shocked at how hypersexualized a whole generation of their kids is, not realizing they're the ones that gave their 1st grader a fully unlocked and operation iphone with unlimited reach and no oversight. With enough shock to affect at least 50% of parents, tey may have a small chance to change things, if not add some dumb, worthless safeguard 'for the kids'.
 
Yes, but nowhere near as entertaining as Hololive.

But she(?) makes hoes mad and that's extremely entertaining.

Eliminating normal porn this way will only cause the kids to gravitate toward the untrafficable porn. Yes, hentai. You brought the loli futa catgirl tentacle rape future upon yourselves.

At least it's not prostitution.

We can still break the hands of hentai artists, though.
 
Unless streaming sites get rid of all amateur and/or self-made stuff there will never be a way to gage consent or legality.

Even with professional studios it can be dicey, there was one that was sued shut down not long ago with the owners charged with trafficking, coercion and fraud. Girls claiming they were flown out for modelling jobs and when they arrived they were told it was a porn shoot and if they didn't agree their hotel and ticket home would be cancelled, given fake references, people stopping them from leaving if the wanted to cancel, signing contracts that didn't mention porn and not getting a copy, amongst other things.
 
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Even with professional studios it can be dicey, there was one that was sued shut down not long ago with the owners charged with trafficking, coercion and fraud. Girls claiming they were flown out for modelling jobs and when they arrived they were told it was a porn shoot and if they didn't agree their hotel and ticket home would be cancelled, given fake references, people stopping them from leaving if the wanted to cancel, signing contracts that didn't mention porn and not getting a copy, amongst other things.
I doubt this will ever get fixed unless we start telling people that only hard no's count. Too often there's the idea that you can backtrack and claim rape and cash prize settlements about as long as you say you were "too scared not to go along with it". Even paid girls can later say they were coerced or forced into it by external factors that aren't apparent on-cam and it's not a battle you can fight since we still can't read thoughts in court. IIRC that case was "exploited College Girls" or something and it was pretty obvious it was non a normal sears catalog job. They don't buy you a plane ticket and offer you weed because they don't have enough 19 year old girls in nebraska who can model this bitchin' cardigan sweater.

They'll probably streamline the DMCA for whores, along with whatever law it ends up as. With the amount of nudity people put out on media there are going to be increasing numbers of whores looking to scrub the net of their stumpy dickpics and clamshots, maybe enough to push through some quick law about honoring requests by the model in it. Maybe. Once the millenials get to mid 30-45 and find it's not helping them nail down some easy gold diggin' dollars and they can no longer get monthly payments for nudity with hotter girls replacing their ranks on onlyfans, you'll see more move to 'turning my life around' takedown requests as they look to hide embarrassing pasts if it doesn't pay out anymore. It's a small world, even with prodigious amounts of porn it's not at all uncommon to see people you recognize getting posted for decades after the fact.
 
So now that it’s porn getting the shaft, it’s an issue?
Call me a LOLbertarian, but I think that both porn and racism should be protected, and monetized, speech. If you want to do some exceptional things, who am I to stop you?
Also, being able to give someone $20 for whatever you think is worth $20 is why crypto is so important to know about.
If you can send me, or some thot/nazi, money that no corporation or anything can mess with, that’s a good thing. I understand the crime aspect, but just because something might be used for crime doesn’t mean we should ban it, just look at the UK.

I think the main difference in this case is that there's a lot more financial incentive in monetizing porn. Even if you'd argue that it should be deplatformed, there's way too much money in porn for you to eliminate it entirely. Someone's gonna handle the "dirty work", so to speak, of accepting their payments, because it means millions if they do it. Unless it literally gets made illegal, you'll find someone who'll take the hate and vitriol in exchange for the dollars.
 
Or you could call up your representatives to draft legislation that makes it impossible for payment processors to deny transfer of funds outside of criminal activity.
This this this.
Fuck this political moral crusading. Imagine if the 80's D&D or 90's Mortal Kombat panics happened today; they'd go after the companies' ability to deal with banks, for no other reason than "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children".

I think "sex workers" should die in a fire, but at this rate you won't be able to have a bank account unless you vote for approved parties.
 
Which is why they do everything they can to block any crypto/dollar systems from taking root. There's no excuse for paypal to take bitcoin, or klemptcoin, or whatever the new thing is. They have a VERY tight hold on the economic movement of the world right now and they'll never give up their chance to "fight crime" and let any other system take root. Unless porn as an industry starts pushing for it it'll probably stay a weird fringe thing, so I'd bet there are U.S. secretaries of whatever treasury/sec telling the processors they don't want to kick them off anyway. If they toss pornographers, they'll go elsewhere that's harder to control outside the main card runners. Gov't loses reach, companies lose money.
 
Eliminating normal porn this way will only cause the kids to gravitate toward the untrafficable porn. Yes, hentai. You brought the loli futa catgirl tentacle rape future upon yourselves.
That's super low level hentai, get back to me with vanilla childhood friend handholding.
 
Antis' are always the most inept crusaders. They try to imitate lefty tactics but they're too clumsy to pull them off.

Which is why they do everything they can to block any crypto/dollar systems from taking root. There's no excuse for paypal to take bitcoin, or klemptcoin, or whatever the new thing is. They have a VERY tight hold on the economic movement of the world right now and they'll never give up their chance to "fight crime" and let any other system take root. Unless porn as an industry starts pushing for it it'll probably stay a weird fringe thing, so I'd bet there are U.S. secretaries of whatever treasury/sec telling the processors they don't want to kick them off anyway. If they toss pornographers, they'll go elsewhere that's harder to control outside the main card runners. Gov't loses reach, companies lose money.

Would it be worth it to keep porn if it makes crypto mainstream?
 
There may be another op coming in a few years, parents may well be shocked at how hypersexualized a whole generation of their kids is, not realizing they're the ones that gave their 1st grader a fully unlocked and operation iphone with unlimited reach and no oversight. With enough shock to affect at least 50% of parents, tey may have a small chance to change things, if not add some dumb, worthless safeguard 'for the kids'.

We may be past that point already sadly.

"I've wanted to do porn since I've been in, like, seventh grade. It's just something I've been so passionate about."

 
Do tell, does Pornhub collect the DLs and SSNs of its less established producers to verify their ages?
Unless streaming sites get rid of all amateur and/or self-made stuff there will never be a way to gage consent or legality.
They don't do this because it would interfere with their primary business, which is benefiting from other people's content. Hence they will never verify IDs unless legally required to.
:story: you cant close down pornhub because people have degenerate fetishes. Sex trafficking is one thing. Childporn is awful. But fetish content with people who look young is just appealing to the DDLG world and people with rape fantasy fetishes. Incest content is pretty popular too atm, don't see you crying over videos of daddy fucking little girl content that's everywhere on the internet rn (not even just on pornsites).
This point of view is incredibly retarded libertarian.

To the extent that 'Incest content is pretty popular too atm', is this because there has always been a demand for it that only now is fulfilled thanks to the beautiful power of the markets and Pornhub? Or is it because the people behind pornography want to push the most destructive filth possible onto porn consumers? Obviously it is the latter.
 
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There may be another op coming in a few years, parents may well be shocked at how hypersexualized a whole generation of their kids is, not realizing they're the ones that gave their 1st grader a fully unlocked and operation iphone with unlimited reach and no oversight. With enough shock to affect at least 50% of parents, tey may have a small chance to change things, if not add some dumb, worthless safeguard 'for the kids'.
Isn't that already happening on sites like Youtube?
The fact is that if a given child is not already a well adjusted person, giving them internet access is a recipe for disaster; regardless of what site they go on. There used to be a time when the internet policed itself to a certain degree. Maybe not on the porn and drugs and dark web stuff, but there was a standard of etiquette and what was considered very rude behavior that was not to be tolerated. But those days are gone, and gone for good; and the end result is the worst kind of broken windows theory. Nobody thinks there is any rules, they can act like an autist with zero consequences because anybody that calls them out is a 'cyberbully', and in this case that they can whore themselves out online and then somehow when they are no longer quite so good looking that these graphic displays won't be the first thing an employer's google search turns up on them. If they wanted to whore themselves out in real life, then maybe they could move to a different town and start over; but online there is nowhere to fucking go. This is likely as obvious to you as it is to me, but somehow we've raised a generation of almost adults that not only fail to understand this but outright reject all notion of it as if it were some heretical thoughtcrime.
 
I try to be a "don't start none, won't be none" person. But with banks and shit looking to stop payment processing for gun shops and shit; good, take the (((pornographers))) down.
 
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