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[Mister Dongs]

Yea, there's no way the 200 pager will see the light of day, none. Specifically the non manga one. Bet he fulfills the preview book and then starts another campaign.

That's the thing though, Xenotype is already done except for maybe the lettering and the actual logistics of printing and mailing it. Before the Liamstream kicked off, his channel was sort of a bizarre 3 AM slave march of him going on about "Liam stuff" (persecution, savior of comics, last real Australian against a monolithic state controlled by a globalist pedophilic elite, other "anti-CG "conspiracies) while his colorists worked on all two hundred pages for an audience of around 30 people for over a year. What I'm saying is, substantial evidence exists that the work is done. But at the time, literally no one thought the project was going to see the light of day. This went unnoticed for many months because of Australian time zone and people wanting to distance themselves from Liam due to the perceived unfulfillable scope of his project along with certain, er, qualities that got him placed in the Sketch Therapy set, instead endorsing more stable and credible CG people like Mike S. Miller, Mitch Breitweiser, Antonio Brice, Ben Henderson, Cridious, Mandy Summers, Micah Curtis... so on. In many ways, Xenotype successfully fulfilling creates more problems than if it didn't.

Do I think Liam is going to actually make money on Xenotype? God no. But he would have abandoned the project long ago if such minor details factored into his decision making; the fact it's going to go out at all is a testament to the power of unbridled fanaticism. And watching Frog and Malin stumble to endorse the comic only after it's gone into IGG InDemand because it turns out against all expectations it is being fulfilled in the vain hope of getting leverage over Liam and making him stop setting Comicsgate on fire, is hilarious.

Also, speaking as a consumer, I somewhat disagree on the esteemed scholar Smug Freiza's conclusion on Xenotype facing challenges specific to it regarding competing with high-return manga vs lower-return western comics. Speaking as a consumer, when it was in stock and on Amazon, I bought the 986 page American Vampire: Omnibus when it was 40% off Amazon for an even lower price than Berserk, fully colorized. Keeping that in mind, the 20-page PANdemIC and Cyberfrog don't come off especially favorable in dollar value against western comics vis-a-vis Xenotype vs A-list manga competitors. Only against periodicals, and even that is at a 300-400% markup.

A viewer in one of his streams had pointed out that Liam also botched his shipping prices by offering the international shipping as standard. Meaning that backers in Australia that might receive a cheaper domestic rate are also paying the same price as backers from other countries. I've set my VPN and provided an address in Sydney to prove this point.
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Imagine how much Liam could have shaved off the pricetag of his comic if a remailer was contracted to fulfill all the American orders.

 

[Newman's Own]

Nah, my audience has grown substantially. You can see it in the livestreams. You're referring to "backers", but I gave my backers a subscription that would make it so they only had to back once.

But your audience hasn't grown Ethan. It's obviously shrinking. If offering a "subscription" tier as you called it reduced your backer count by a third that would mean half of your backers were buying multiple tiers and you never had that many unique backers in the first place.

But nobody believes that. You were a big deal in 2018/2019. Lot's of paypigs.

But now it's 2020 and the StarWars paypigs are losing interest slowly while the actual comics fans are losing interest much more quickly and soon you'll be left with the diehards of your cult who smile approvingly on attacking cancer patients suffering financial hardship and the degenerates of your "Daddy Can't Rape Us All" mid-life crisis rainbow dildo troll squad.

Everyday less and less normal people are buying into your schtick and anyone replacing them is on the level of mommy beating Liam or delusional mega-LoLcows like Micah.

You thought you were the Beatles but as it turns out you're more like the Bay City Rollers.

You know this is true. It's why you're here bragging and seeking affirmation from people who see through your creepy behavior. And it's why you come across 'try hard' when you try to own your critics here.

Frankly, it's pathetic and I'd feel bad laughing at you except given the subterranean level of your character laughing at your grasping is pure guilt free full fat zero calorie moo juice.

At least as long as you keep bringing in enough to pay the tab on that swimming pool of yours your wife will keep telling you what you want to hear.

Comics legend Mike Baron summed up what normal people who know you think nicely.

And this rather telling response from your obvious sock reveals your insecurity and pathetic approval seeking nature.

The answer to the question Mike was merciful enough not to dignify is almost as obvious as it is pathetic you had to ask.

Enjoy the money FROG. Sadly, dignity won't come so cheap.

 

[Absurdity]

Nailed it. What an insecure shekel-chasing ventriloqueer.

 

[cow-wannabe]

...$793,415....

So, you finally gonna start paying your back taxes and creditors then?

 

[Spectre_06]

Liam showed up in my video on EVS laughing at Tess Fowler having cancer.

EDIT: I'm not even sure what account he posted under on here. Someone help a retard like me out.

 

[jspit]

I already beat EWJ though. It raised $696K in it's two month run.

You need me to beat his 5 month total of $815K tonight?

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Okay. Whatever.

Nobody cares! People have pointed out your latest scam to squeeze more money. It worked, congrats. You're boring, go away now.

So is Liam the next Nasser? Cause that would be cool.

 

[Nihil Jung]

That's the thing though, Xenotype is already done except for maybe the lettering and the actual logistics of printing and mailing it. Before the Liamstream kicked off, his channel was sort of a bizarre 3 AM slave march of him going on about "Liam stuff" (persecution, savior of comics, last real Australian against a monolithic state controlled by a globalist pedophilic elite, other "anti-CG "conspiracies) while his colorists worked on all two hundred pages for an audience of around 30 people for over a year. What I'm saying is, substantial evidence exists that the work is done. But at the time, literally no one thought the project was going to see the light of day. This went unnoticed for many months because of Australian time zone and people wanting to distance themselves from Liam due to the perceived unfulfillable scope of his project along with certain, er, qualities that got him placed in the Sketch Therapy set, instead endorsing more stable and credible CG people like Mike S. Miller, Mitch Breitweiser, Antonio Brice, Ben Henderson, Cridious, Mandy Summers, Micah Curtis... so on. In many ways, Xenotype successfully fulfilling creates more problems than if it didn't.

Do I think Liam is going to actually make money on Xenotype? God no. But he would have abandoned the project long ago if such minor details factored into his decision making; the fact it's going to go out at all is a testament to the power of unbridled fanaticism. And watching Frog and Malin stumble to endorse the comic only after it's gone into IGG InDemand because it turns out against all expectations it is being fulfilled in the vain hope of getting leverage over Liam and making him stop setting Comicsgate on fire, is hilarious.

Also, speaking as a consumer, I somewhat disagree on the esteemed scholar Smug Freiza's conclusion on Xenotype facing challenges specific to it regarding competing with high-return manga vs lower-return western comics. Speaking as a consumer, when it was in stock and on Amazon, I bought the 986 page American Vampire: Omnibus when it was 40% off Amazon for an even lower price than Berserk, fully colorized. Keeping that in mind, the 20-page PANdemIC and Cyberfrog don't come off especially favorable in dollar value against western comics vis-a-vis Xenotype vs A-list manga competitors. Only against periodicals, and even that is at a 300-400% markup.

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Imagine how much Liam could have shaved off the pricetag of his comic if a remailer was contracted to fulfill all the American orders.

Damn, thanks for the info, had no idea. With the way his show looks I assumed he had only been doing this a very short time. I guess you don't have time to turn down the saturation and exposure when you're preoccupied with getting into a domestic with your mother.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

Liam showed up in my video on EVS laughing at Tess Fowler having cancer.

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EDIT: I'm not even sure what account he posted under on here. Someone help an exceptional individual like me out.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/autistic-slapfighting-from-the-comicsgate-thread.69092/

I think it’s there.

As for his post, I’d wager a guess that the lot of us aren’t against the initial idea of CG, the whole crowdfunding comics to get around the insane nepotism in the mainstream industry shit. That’s all well and good.

However, a middle-aged Green Lantern writer pretending to be conservative for profit and harassment claims in order to turn that entire concept into a weird paypig cult that constantly engages in weird nerd IBS to the point where he “kicked out” the one guy more popular than him that was still using the tag? If you can’t mock that, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Most sane people would find such a concept utterly ridiculous, regardless of their opinions on superheroes or the comics industry at large.

 

[Adamska]

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/autistic-slapfighting-from-the-comicsgate-thread.69092/

I think it’s there.

As for his post, I’d wager a guess that the lot of us aren’t against the initial idea of CG, the whole crowdfunding comics to get around the insane nepotism in the mainstream industry shit. That’s all well and good.

However, a middle-aged Green Lantern writer pretending to be conservative for profit and harassment claims in order to turn that entire concept into a weird paypig cult that constantly engages in weird nerd IBS to the point where he “kicked out” the one guy more popular than him that was still using the tag? If you can’t mock that, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Most sane people would find such a concept utterly ridiculous, regardless of their opinions on superheroes or the comics industry at large.

Also the fact they keep their products intentionally high in price for what you pay for and refuse to apply this newfound money to actually build a new industry too. That doesn't help either.

 

[Newman's Own]

Liam showed up in my video on EVS laughing at Tess Fowler having cancer.

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EDIT: I'm not even sure what account he posted under on here. Someone help an exceptional individual like me out.

Liam's like a low rez extra exceptional version of Ethan who's to exceptional to clue in. If he was caught fucking a donkey he'd try to blame it on Preston or Doug or "The Legion of Doom".

No Liam you're a donkey raping shit head.

We believe you're a scumbag Liam (of course you're reading this) because you behave like a scum bag Liam.

If the elderly woman beaten by a Liam Grey isn't your mum then why does she share your last name and call the same address you do business from her home?

https://youtu.be/caQNCmo8rF8?t=144

I don't think you murdered puppies Liam. I have serious doubts the young canines in question ever even existed because you're a lying twat.

If you don't think of yourself as a "martyr or a saint" why do you type long winded ridiculous comments like the one above portraying yourself as a "martyr and a saint" trying to save the kids and make comics safe for retards shield western civilization you mother punching window licking shit stain on the nation of Australia?

Think of the puppies...

 

[SmugAutist]

I think at this point we might need to split the thread between the autistic storm that is the crumbling comics industry and the actual spergery drama of Comicsgate itself.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

Also the fact they keep their products intentionally high in price for what you pay for and refuse to apply this newfound money to actually build a new industry too. That doesn't help either.

That made me wonder, so after far, far too much scrolling through IGG’s absolutely terrible browse function, I have discovered the following:

It would cost about $145,000 to bring every single currently-funding comic project on IGG that hasn’t yet reached its goal to 100% funding. However, that counts literally every single project under the category, including ones with publishers already attached, second runs of already-successful campaigns elsewhere, and ones that are instead funding comic-adjacent things like magazines, art books, and comic shops. If you narrow all that down to solely indie creators, you get... just about $100K.

Now, I’m not saying that every single project in that $100K is worth backing, not even remotely. I mean, look at this shit, for example. That “comic” is absolutely not worth any money.

But on the other hand, there’s things like this. A good-looking graphic novel that’s stuck at 75% with four days left and could most likely use the help to get it over that last hurdle before time’s up. Does this guy agree with CG’s “principles”? Probably not, but who the fuck even cares about that in 2020? It’s a good-looking crowdfunded comic that needs a bit of help, that should absolutely be enough.

But it won’t be. Not for this guy, and not for anyone. I legitimately doubt that even 1% of the Cyberfrog 2 funds will make it back to other CG projects, even the ones by his “closest friends”.

Hell, Zack’s guilty of this as well. Constantly refers to himself as a publisher... yet only publishes books that he’s had a direct hand in. With all this money flying around to the top creators, you’d think they’d actually try and do something productive with it. Something along the lines of a publishing label of sorts that functions as a way to get good crowdfunded comics properly promoted and in stores would be a pretty incredible way to further the cause they claim to be fighting for, but it’s never going to happen, because the personal bank accounts will always be first.

 

[Smug Freiza]

That's the thing though, Xenotype is already done except for maybe the lettering and the actual logistics of printing and mailing it. Before the Liamstream kicked off, his channel was sort of a bizarre 3 AM slave march of him going on about "Liam stuff" (persecution, savior of comics, last real Australian against a monolithic state controlled by a globalist pedophilic elite, other "anti-CG "conspiracies) while his colorists worked on all two hundred pages for an audience of around 30 people for over a year. What I'm saying is, substantial evidence exists that the work is done.

I was actually unaware that Xenotype was already completed, I thought I remembered Liam saying he was still waiting on pages. Did you know how much of the book was complete?

In many ways, Xenotype successfully fulfilling creates more problems than if it didn't.

I always find your posts to be both hilarious and insightful Mister Dongs, could you elaborate on this further?

Also, speaking as a consumer, I somewhat disagree on the esteemed scholar Smug Freiza's conclusion on Xenotype facing challenges specific to it regarding competing with high-return manga vs lower-return western comics.

You flatter me good sir, unless of course you're being sarcastic, in which case I'm still flattered.

Liam showed up in my video on EVS laughing at Tess Fowler having cancer.

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EDIT: I'm not even sure what account he posted under on here. Someone help an exceptional individual like me out.

His account is @Tyne but he was recently banned from this thread for "Dear Diary" posting epic novella's, then complained he was banned for trying to defend his reputation.

I think at this point we might need to split the thread between the autistic storm that is the crumbling comics industry and the actual spergery drama of Comicsgate itself.

To be fair the spergery drama is a central part of Comicsgate, however usually Ethan's peacocking and our A-logging is reserved for the Hanger On and Drama thread.

The mods are normally pretty good at cleaning up our mess and keeping the thread tidy.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I was actually unaware that Xenotype was already completed, I thought I remembered Liam saying he was still waiting on pages. Did you know how much of the book was complete?

The IGG says 200/200 pages have been complete, but after looking into it I believe he's waiting on the colorist because the colorist is livestreaming working on the comic right now.

I always find your posts to be both hilarious and insightful Mister Dongs, could you elaborate on this further?

You raise the tone of this thread, sir. Anyways, what I'm getting at is that a lot of CG platformers saw "200 page project first time crowdfunder", read some of Liam's 100% serious tweets about bringing a fiery sword to purify and redeem the comic industry, and made the same conclusion that humble Kiwis in this thread did that there was no chance of the project being fulfilled by one of the fringe "true believer" CG people you see on twitter and instead reserved their endorsements for more "sensible" 48-page projects like Lady Alchemy, Red Rooster, Detective Dead and, uh, Wart the Wizard.

But those projects either failed, amounted to defrauding the CG customer, or the creators "turned out to be traitors", while a guy who naturally veers towards conspiracy theories and his commitment to Comicsgate cannot be questioned actually appears to be turning out 200 pages of original work. It's not a real coincidence that the hugest shitshows on the Liamstream come from him asking why garbage like Anna's non-CG Vampirella cover is getting shilled by the CG elite followed by him doing nothing while Ro Kabir curbstomps a crying Jon Malin for the entertainment of Liam's audience. What are they going to do about it? Retract their until then zero endorsement? Explaining away another failed "former CG" project would have been much easier than this.

 

[CapeKnight]

For all the shit thrown at Liam, I find that one thing we can actually give him credit for (don't get high on it Orangeman) is that his weeb obsession allows him to channel the mimicry of putting out more content and pages worth than a lot of the works CGers have ever put together. I've said this before, but even if Liam is a hack who is totally ripping off Guyver, with a protagonist who might as well be Ken Kaneki from Tokyo Ghoul, he's still putting out the hack work that is much more compelling than a Cybernetic Frog and his mildly autistic Salamander Lenny. The manga format of putting out more page count and having a narrative that ties in together without constantly refreshing the continuity, and an actual ending you'll arrive at eventually has always been an upside as compared to Cape books. You have more of a chance of getting normies into manga than comics by just mere comparison to their reaction to the words "manga" and "comics". Manga implies usually only one, sometimes a set of two creatives working on one singular project. Comics, at the mere mention, usually gets people to go "where do I start? how many Number 1s, and parallel universes are out there and which do I pick as the definitive interpretation of the character?" As well as general confusion on which writer's/artist's run is the best.

Plus, teenagers and people in their 20s are much more into anime/manga and videogames than capeshit, unless it's the MCU, and even the reverence for the MCU doesn't seem like it's going to last either.

Although, I have no idea why Liam, or EVS, or anyone of these fucks keep talking about either JK Rowling or Harry Potter in general.


I find it pretty retarded to reference the Harry Potters, Hunger Games, and Twilights of the world. It's something peak amateur writers who can't construct original work do to evoke the "see this book became a movie! and a multimillion dollar franchise at that that!" to incite hype for their work, trying to appeal to the YA appeal that even much older people from the target demographic can fall for. And that is not a good thing, because all those works generally suckass on an artistic level.

Liam had the advantage of observing the faults of multiple campaigns as well, including EVS's, but still doesn't change the fact that he's a part of ComicsGrift, even if he constructed a more put together campaign.

 

[Steinercard]

Taking a break from @FROG 's gloating, there's another member of Comicsgate who is feeling abit down. Poor Liam Gray seems to be experiencing an existential crisis over comparing the success of his comic Xenotype to the success of e-thots.
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There's so many fuckin e thots in CG now. Which one is he talking about? I have no idea who the woman he is refering to is. All these gay ass MGS style spy names make my arsehole chafe.

 

[FROG]

What a fantastic night!

$854,756! We're now within distance of a million dollars, and we'll get there in the next few months of InDemand funding.

Thanks everyone who backed CYBERFROG 2: REKT PLANET here on KiwiFarms!

 

[cow-wannabe]

What a fantastic night!

Remember when you took the last hundred bucks from a brain-damaged veteran who was afraid of being cancelled, and then threw him to the wolves anyway.

The Kiwi Farms remembers.

 

[Spectre_06]

Remember when you took the last hundred bucks from a brain-damaged veteran who was afraid of being cancelled, and then threw him to the wolves anyway.

The Kiwi Farms remembers.

What in the everloving manshit is this, now? What the fuck did this donkeyraping overused prison fucktoy do to a veteran?

 

[CapeKnight]

What in the everloving manshit is this, now? What the fuck did this donkeyraping overused prison fucktoy do to a veteran?

I think he's referring to Sketch Therapy, who superchatted him his last $72 at the time saying "they're trying to cancel me, help Caesar" or something to that effect, and as far as I know, Sketch Therapy is still in "Panama", which is where WC "sends" their loose canons and attack dogs they cannot control to "exile" them. As far as I'm aware, Sketch Therapy and Testefy are the only two members there.

I haven't kept up for a bit, but I have no idea what happened to Sketch after that. All I remember of him last was him fighting Liam on his stream.

And this screencap I grabbed.