🦊 Furry Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

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The tiger girl getting bullied is kinda depressing. Obviously I'm not a fan at anyone below 17 or 18 going to a furry con for a plethora of reasons but the girl probably just wanted to dress up and have fun with what she probably viewed as the "big kids" and they turned on her. Imagine being like 25 and bullying a 10 year old. At least it *seems* like most of the people and the staff there weren't standing for it.

It is no surprise that kids see people in fursuits and want to take pictures with them in the same way they do school mascots. Most fursuits are fluffy, "cutesy" dogs and cats in rainbow colors, which is something that attracts kids (generally speaking). Bonus points if its a unicorn. Kids also generally like to dress up and play pretend (like Halloween). Similarly, you can see where junior high-age kids might be attracted to furrydom based on the SFW art they see pop up in Google image searches of the rainbow wolves with emo hair and piercings, especially if they are already the "rawr xd" and "I am so depressed uwu" type.

If the furry community was like the average DND community, with 90% of its members being SFW and primarily into the fandom for getting to dress up and fantasy LARP, and only 10% saw it as a sexual fetish thing, this wouldn't be as much of a problem. But the community is the reverse. It's sad and unfortunate because kids/teens see the flashy rainbow animal people and the "rawr xd" cat art and get sucked into world that has been taken over and run by sex deviants who defend and habor predators and criminals in the name of "tolerance." I remember when I was in high school, I noticed a junior high girl I was in marching band with drawing, and I asked her what it was because I couldn't tell, and it was her fursona. She was probably 14. This was years ago and I hope she got out while she still could.
One thing that makes this more depressing
the furry community has a huge problem with child grooming and ERP with people that are under aged. Hop on a furry discord server, message board or deviant art page and you'll find minors engaging in ERP with older people.

In Kothorix's "why I left furry community" video, he talks about the grooming and predatory behaviour he experience when he was 14 to 17 years old. He also goes into great detail that the predators would purposefully use female characters to make him more "comfortable". it would start with their characters "cuddling" to sex between the characters and then to explicit talks about IRL sex. its fucked up and has been going on for decades. At the point, it's considered acceptable behavior.
 
For reference, this is the video @Disco Inferno referred to:

tl;dw, it's basically a video version of the Furry Drama thread. Talking about how weird and sex-obsessed the fandom is. Still an entertaining listen if you're mowing the lawn for about 35 minutes.
 
One thing that makes this more depressing
the furry community has a huge problem with child grooming and ERP with people that are under aged. Hop on a furry discord server, message board or deviant art page and you'll find minors engaging in ERP with older people.

In Kothorix's "why I left furry community" video, he talks about the grooming and predatory behaviour he experience when he was 14 to 17 years old. He also goes into great detail that the predators would purposefully use female characters to make him more "comfortable". it would start with their characters "cuddling" to sex between the characters and then to explicit talks about IRL sex. its fucked up and has been going on for decades. At the point, it's considered acceptable behavior.
It irritates me that this is true, and it's made worse because european furfags find nothing wrong with fucking underage kids, while not realizing AoC has nothing to do with online sexual interactions.

Also, Koth has his own thread. Referencing him for this talk is pretty shit.
 
I am surprised that nobody mentioned my favorite con shitshow ever, the time a furry brought an actual fox to a con for clout and lied that it was a service dog.

Reposted here from a previous post because then I have all my links right here. Originally posted in the threat about a lady taking a service mini horse on a plane.

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Nah, it was all over twitter. This took place at Midwest FurFest 2017.

A con attendee tries to get the staff at the con to do something about it, but they refuse because the 'legal paperwork says it's a dog' and pull the 'you aren't being nice about your complaints so we aren't going to listen'.

This is the animal being claimed as a dog. [Live site so you can watch the video] Sane people can tell that it's a fucking fox. But i guess the con staff were exceptional enough to believe the fake paperwork. He also claimed when backed into a corner that it is a dog/fox hybrid, which is not genetically possible.

Most Furries were angry about the situation, because rabies laws don't apply to foxes. So if the fox bit someone out of fear, they will immediately get euthanized to test the brain for the disease. The owner did not give a shit as long as he got attention. Eventually he agreed to leave early, but not without the fox stress shitting on the con floor and growling at people.

You can see more by searching 'mff fox' on twitter. There's a lot of people commenting on the situation and people are still angry about it.

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I am low key mad about it still because of the sheer idiocy involved. ANYONE can tell that it's a damn fox and nobody at the con wanted to do anything about it because hurr durr, the papers SAY it's a dog so it must be true! The furry in question did not care that the animal he had was experiencing extreme stress and fear as long as he can gloat that he has an exotic animal with him. STILL one of my favorite shitshows.
 
I am surprised that nobody mentioned my favorite con shitshow ever, the time a furry brought an actual fox to a con for clout and lied that it was a service dog.

Reposted here from a previous post because then I have all my links right here. Originally posted in the threat about a lady taking a service mini horse on a plane.

-------REPOST-------

Nah, it was all over twitter. This took place at Midwest FurFest 2017.

A con attendee tries to get the staff at the con to do something about it, but they refuse because the 'legal paperwork says it's a dog' and pull the 'you aren't being nice about your complaints so we aren't going to listen'.

This is the animal being claimed as a dog. [Live site so you can watch the video] Sane people can tell that it's a fucking fox. But i guess the con staff were exceptional enough to believe the fake paperwork. He also claimed when backed into a corner that it is a dog/fox hybrid, which is not genetically possible.

Most Furries were angry about the situation, because rabies laws don't apply to foxes. So if the fox bit someone out of fear, they will immediately get euthanized to test the brain for the disease. The owner did not give a shit as long as he got attention. Eventually he agreed to leave early, but not without the fox stress shitting on the con floor and growling at people.

You can see more by searching 'mff fox' on twitter. There's a lot of people commenting on the situation and people are still angry about it.

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I am low key mad about it still because of the sheer idiocy involved. ANYONE can tell that it's a damn fox and nobody at the con wanted to do anything about it because hurr durr, the papers SAY it's a dog so it must be true! The furry in question did not care that the animal he had was experiencing extreme stress and fear as long as he can gloat that he has an exotic animal with him. STILL one of my favorite shitshows.
Oh yeah, I remember this. They started blocking people who challenged them on this IIRC
 
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The people who run the con are idiots because they clearly DON'T know the law or how to recognize an actual service animal. I've always told people to never go to cons because they honestly care little about your safety so they can rake in those sweet NEET bucks. Seriously, the fox probably had no or fake paperwork detailing their vaccinations so if it bit someone, the animal would have to be destroyed for testing. Then you run the risk of rabies. And foxes are notoriously difficult to house train, hence why it shit all over the floor further spreading diseases.

I actually JUST had to educate someone who wanted to get a pet fox and had no idea what they were doing.
 
There were plenty of minor con sideshows but I think one that's forgotten about was the death of Califur. A furry named TheBigKK carried out a 24 hour op against babyfurs by calling up CaliFur's hotel (and allegedly threatening them) after Len (the former leader of some old AltFurry discords who has his own thread here) decided to tell his server full of edgy far-right kids to call up the con hotel over hosting babyfurs. What happened next was an autism storm that caused an intersection between the fractured far-right and furries.

TheBigKK/Nate decided to phone up the hotel and impersonate a reporter. This is a classic prank calling technique, and he decided to bring up the babyfur thing by calling it "child molestation". One of the callers who weren't in this recording allegedly threatened them though.

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This was my write up on this at the time of the event:


What was interesting about Nate is that he was doing plenty of other exceptional things too. He was pals with not-fed Richard Spencer, who was declared "leader of the alt-right" by CNN. In August 2017 there was a infamous rally that devolved into political violence resulting in one death, police inaction, and prosecution afterwards that only resulted in one side being punished. It was then followed up by massive internet censorship involving sites that had remained up for years losing their domains/hosting and all, which even scared Dear Leader into making multiple threads worrying about the site's future.

Within the far-right there were schisms from that infamous protest, and one such event afterwards was that Weev (infamous troll turned Nazi) ran a blog post not only exposing his ties with Spencer, but even revealing a time when he also blackmailed a 14 year old. It also talks about how he was a furry for years and required people joining Spencer's Discord to dox themselves. Not long after he was mentioned in an article by another site about how Richard Spencer was datamining the shit out of his supporters. In other words, the guy who fucked over Califur ended up getting into some insane gay op Nazi drama.

But what about the furry con side of things? Well the big long term impact from this is that Califur was sent into a downward spiral it's still unable to recover from. They found themselves in a RMFC style situation but this time actually instigated by the other side. Califur was already financially fragile and this ended up pushing it in the red hard from security costs.

The WikiFur page talks a bit more about it, they had to pay $25,000 in security costs from these calls and 2018 got canceled. While the WikiFur page solely lays the blame on this incident, Twitter furries had been talking about how Califur was badly run beforehand as well and was losing money. How much money? Well, for starters the people who ran Califur started a literal fucking gofundme (related fandom drama thread post) to raise money when the con went belly up in something that one can draw parallels to nowadays with the Coronavirus con shutdowns. To add to that, Califur had a mixed reputation among local furries which added another layer to the story.

The most fitting thing about Califur and what happened is probably the next to last tweet on their account, where they were at a comic con trying to promote a dead con. In 2019 there was a booth as well.
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Allegedly Califur is no longer a thing and congoers will never get refunds, and clouding this is the fact that one of the main con people died and had funeral bills and all as well according to the replies.
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There's probably more shit I could dig up about Califur, but that's the gist of it. A crazy exceptional Nazi reject furry ended up killing off a con that was badly run.


I unfortunately still get shit to this day by furries over this nonsense. It's fucked up when a bunch of Karen's say they feel unsafe when you're in the same group when anyone who knows me knows I'm just a harmless lolcow.
 
For reference, this is the video @Disco Inferno referred to:

tl;dw, it's basically a video version of the Furry Drama thread. Talking about how weird and sex-obsessed the fandom is. Still an entertaining listen if you're mowing the lawn for about 35 minutes.
So basically he was groomed into becoming a bisexual furry.
He's pretty faggy, but he does mention some good points, like how furries tend to think about nothing but sex.
Honestly, don't be a kid and be in the furry community. It's scary how many children identify as furries and post sexual "animation memes" online. Where's their fucking parents, may I ask?
 
So basically he was groomed into becoming a bisexual furry.
He's pretty faggy, but he does mention some good points, like how furries tend to think about nothing but sex.
Honestly, don't be a kid and be in the furry community. It's scary how many children identify as furries and post sexual "animation memes" online. Where's their fucking parents, may I ask?
He sounds like he just got burned out with age and realized how fucked things are. Sounds like the two most common paths for furries are to either get old and drop out because you have a life to live, or dig yourself into the fandom like a tick and forfeit any chance at a normal life you may have. And yeah, I had to google him when I saw Disco's post so I didn't know what to expect. Glanced at his other videos and while he's pretty damn faggy even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day. A lolcow can make cogent points on occasion and hearing him ragging on the community was a fun way to spend an otherwise boring half an hour.

Anyway, parents nowadays are probably either working two jobs and don't have the time, or are two stoned/drunk/horny to care for their kids. And to wheel it back to the subject of the thread: I'm really sorry for kids that end up getting dragged to cons by their parents. Besides being used for attention ("look at him in his little pawprint shirt, he's so cuuuute!"), they're basically being introduced to all the proverbial men with the candy and the windowless white vans they'll be meeting later in life.

All those colorful strangers that their parents insist are "great people" are seen as positive entities and that just primes those poor children to be groomed once their parents invariably give them unrestricted and unsupervised internet access and set their homepage to Furaffinity.
 
I am surprised that nobody mentioned my favorite con shitshow ever, the time a furry brought an actual fox to a con for clout and lied that it was a service dog.

Reposted here from a previous post because then I have all my links right here. Originally posted in the threat about a lady taking a service mini horse on a plane.

-------REPOST-------

Nah, it was all over twitter. This took place at Midwest FurFest 2017.

A con attendee tries to get the staff at the con to do something about it, but they refuse because the 'legal paperwork says it's a dog' and pull the 'you aren't being nice about your complaints so we aren't going to listen'.

This is the animal being claimed as a dog. [Live site so you can watch the video] Sane people can tell that it's a fucking fox. But i guess the con staff were exceptional enough to believe the fake paperwork. He also claimed when backed into a corner that it is a dog/fox hybrid, which is not genetically possible.

Most Furries were angry about the situation, because rabies laws don't apply to foxes. So if the fox bit someone out of fear, they will immediately get euthanized to test the brain for the disease. The owner did not give a shit as long as he got attention. Eventually he agreed to leave early, but not without the fox stress shitting on the con floor and growling at people.

You can see more by searching 'mff fox' on twitter. There's a lot of people commenting on the situation and people are still angry about it.

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I am low key mad about it still because of the sheer idiocy involved. ANYONE can tell that it's a damn fox and nobody at the con wanted to do anything about it because hurr durr, the papers SAY it's a dog so it must be true! The furry in question did not care that the animal he had was experiencing extreme stress and fear as long as he can gloat that he has an exotic animal with him. STILL one of my favorite shitshows.
Wasn’t that RonRon’s owner? The guy that abandoned his first fox (RonRon) to chase poon in another state?

Also I can’t remember what convention it was but someone brought their “trained service” dog. The poor thing was so stressed it shat on the floor (the shit wasn’t picked up until after someone stepped in it) and had a history of snapping at people and real service dogs. I think it happened within the past year. Fake service animals brought to a con should be its own segment on here.
 
For reference, this is the video @Disco Inferno referred to:

tl;dw, it's basically a video version of the Furry Drama thread. Talking about how weird and sex-obsessed the fandom is. Still an entertaining listen if you're mowing the lawn for about 35 minutes.
Why are you quoting this guy anyways when he crawled back to the fandom shortly afterwards and is also known as a lolcow for various reasons?
 
Wasn’t that RonRon’s owner? The guy that abandoned his first fox (RonRon) to chase poon in another state?

Also I can’t remember what convention it was but someone brought their “trained service” dog. The poor thing was so stressed it shat on the floor (the shit wasn’t picked up until after someone stepped in it) and had a history of snapping at people and real service dogs. I think it happened within the past year. Fake service animals brought to a con should be its own segment on here.

Nah it wasn't RonRon's owner. He has a similar fox but the markings are very different. From what I understand RonRon died in his sleep from old age so I don't remember him getting abandoned? I used to watch that youtube channel but it was ages ago.

And yeah, there is a huge problem of furries declaring random animals their 'service' animals as an excuse to cart their pets with them without worrying about social consequences. Things like snakes and lizards, random birds, cats, ect ect. There is nothing wrong with having a therapy animal or an emotional support animal, but if you believe that you need your snake in order to leave the house, you got bigger problems.

Hell, I had a therapy animal at a young age but I knew it was not appropriate to bring them to certain places for their own safety. They were a cat. People who bring animals who are not able to be socialized and trained out in public are incredibly stupid and selfish.
 
And yeah, there is a huge problem of furries declaring random animals their 'service' animals as an excuse to cart their pets with them without worrying about social consequences. Things like snakes and lizards, random birds, cats, ect ect. There is nothing wrong with having a therapy animal or an emotional support animal, but if you believe that you need your snake in order to leave the house, you got bigger problems.

It wasn't so much a furry problem, it is a general problem with people claiming their pets were ESAs and showing bullshit paperwork that their counselor wrote stating they need the animal or they will do something stupid or w/e so they can avoid paying an animal boarding fee. There's a pretty notable market for it, too.
 
One of the notable things with service animals is that you can treat them like any other attendee. In fact, you're supposed to (this goes for stores, restaurants, etc. as well). But that also means that if the animal is causing a ruckus (or the fake service animal is causing a ruckus), they can be asked to leave like any problematic attendee.
 
can exotic pets even be ESAs?
From some quick searching that gave mostly (suspect) ESA sites anything larger then a large dog isn't normally given ESA status, but it should be noted that ESA do not have the same protected status that actual Service Animals do (e.g. excluding local/state law an ESA can be excluded from Hotels a support animal can not be).
 
Rate me MATI but I have a special disdain for people that fake service and emotional support animals. They're ruining it for the people with real service animals. As stated previously businesses have the right to refuse people with service animals; this causes businesses who were originally fine with animals to now refuse them because fake animals, being untrained or even unsuitable for the profession, (service animals are selected for training based on personality and other traits, not every animal has the capability to be one, even if they are nice) have caused problems. If I was the president or whatever I'd try to make it harder for ESA and service animal papers to be faked and set up an official registry.

As for exotic animals being ESA, I'm not sure, but I doubt it. The most "exotic" service animal I can think of is a miniature pony, which isn't exactly "exotic" but still a rarity. People get ponies if they are allergic to dogs, and they have the added benefit of a longer lifespan. I think the law was recently changed to where only dogs and horses could be official service animals.
 
Rate me MATI but I have a special disdain for people that fake service and emotional support animals. They're ruining it for the people with real service animals. As stated previously businesses have the right to refuse people with service animals; this causes businesses who were originally fine with animals to now refuse them because fake animals, being untrained or even unsuitable for the profession, (service animals are selected for training based on personality and other traits, not every animal has the capability to be one, even if they are nice) have caused problems. If I was the president or whatever I'd try to make it harder for ESA and service animal papers to be faked and set up an official registry.

As for exotic animals being ESA, I'm not sure, but I doubt it. The most "exotic" service animal I can think of is a miniature pony, which isn't exactly "exotic" but still a rarity. People get ponies if they are allergic to dogs, and they have the added benefit of a longer lifespan. I think the law was recently changed to where only dogs and horses could be official service animals.
Part of the fake Service animal issue is that there are no papers for Service Animals, and the ADA mandates that you can not ask for them.
| https://archive.is/wip/LTWuB
| https://archive.is/wip/GGDq8
 
Part of the fake Service animal issue is that there are no papers for Service Animals, and the ADA mandates that you can not ask for them.
| https://archive.md/wip/LTWuB
| https://archive.md/wip/GGDq8
You can't ask for papers, but you can ask two questions:
1.) Is this animal required for a disability?
2.) What has this animal been trained to do?

More cons need to ask those questions, and ask handlers to remove misbehaving animals from con space.
 
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