Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Listening to that it occured to me that Frog has given up on the idea that CG will ever be mainstream and he's also given up on attracting new customers. It's all about squeezing every nickel from the existing paypigs until the music stops. One does not act the way he has the past few days if there was any hope for new money coming in.

If your whole business model is "fight the sjws" you'll just end up being a niche market sucking the paypigs.

 

[Newman's Own]

Listening to that it occured to me that Frog has given up on the idea that CG will ever be mainstream and he's also given up on attracting new customers. It's all about squeezing every nickel from the existing paypigs until the music stops. One does not act the way he has the past few days if there was any hope for new money coming in.

Agreed.

He basically admits below that he's given up hope of a mainstream audience for his Frog book now. He hints that the only way he's going to get a cartoon or toys made is if he makes them himself or contracts people to make them for him. He doesn't seem particularly hopeful about building a bigger fanbase either so it will be that dwindling number of paypigs he'll be going to to finance his dreams of taking CyberFrog multimedia.

As I understand it Ethan originally wanted Doug T's help and contacts to make a cartoon happen but Doug wasn't interested in that because of the mess WarCampaign was making. Then Ethan was hoping that Friended could help him break into Hollywood but it turns out Friended is a nobody grifter so that ain't happening. Looks like IGG is the only option right now and that seems like a long shot cuase cartoons ain't cheap and even paypigs have to pay their rent.

It's quite the contrast from Ethan a few weeks ago when he was bragging that he had tuns of licensing deals in the pipe.

I'm an independent creator who is learning to work in ways in which no SJWs can stop me, and work with people who ignore them. If I want a cartoon, I won't go through normal channels to make it. Same with toys and games and whatever else. I have a devoted fanbase of a few thousand that will support anything I do, allowing me to make and sell fewer comics and profit more more.

 

[Haramburger]

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He has more views getting a TUG job on PornHub than on his entire YouTube channel.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5674a9b41a4c6

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Goddamn, is the fleeting pleasure of leaving a comicsgate quip worth making a Porhub account finally in 2020?

 

[Mister Dongs]

Listening to that it occured to me that Frog has given up on the idea that CG will ever be mainstream and he's also given up on attracting new customers. It's all about squeezing every nickel from the existing paypigs until the music stops. One does not act the way he has the past few days if there was any hope for new money coming in.

In defense of Frog, undoing 40 years of direct market-induced entropy in the comic book industry and finding a new way of restoring comics to ubiquitous consumption at this near-death stage of the medium wouldn't take an innovator of Stan Lee's calibre. It would take ten Stan Lees.

Frog hasn't done it. No one inside or outside of Comicsgate (including the mainstream) has done it. Zack provided a great impetus for CG in the first place, but these days he's more interested in receiving the nebulous status of a "real publisher" along the lines of IDW or Fantagraphics then answering the questions you pose, and Zack was the most flexible and adaptive of all the inceptors of the original idea of Comicsgate. It's a lot to put on one man's shoulders.

 

[Haramburger]

Is this shit actually about comics anymore?

If I'm reading it right, one of the guys mad at EVS and Zack for making mildly conservative comics that aren't woke bullshit is (now publicly)a shit-eating dildo sucker & cheek spreader. He's also apparently the second guy to try to "own the Comicsgaters" by trying to literally copyright the word Comicsgate as some sad way of smothering the whole debacle with rebranding and lawlsuits. Correct me if I'm wrong!

EVS in a courtroom, 2022: "Your honor, i dispute the plaintiff's claim to the word 'Comicsgate' because we didn't want to be cucked in our comic book industry, and when the disagreement was not turning out in his favor, he revealed his online porn accounts in which is wife pegs him and then sucks a black bull and inflicted said cuckoldry upon us by another vector. As evidence, we present Exhibit A..."

 

[Cemila Mandes]

I think the Preston leaks made Anna Mello orgasm.

 

[Mister Dongs]

If I'm reading it right, one of the guys mad at EVS and Zack for making mildly conservative comics that aren't woke bullshit is (now publicly)a shit-eating dildo sucker & cheek spreader. Correct me if I'm wrong!

No, Preston Poulter's history with Comicsgate starts with him hearing about a movement involving a group of indy comic creators like himself crosspromoting each others' products as a way of protesting against SJW hegemony in mainstream comics. So he started going around petitioning Frog to put him on his show to promote his WW2 lesbian coomer comic White Lily but Frog, uncomfortable with giving this arguably softcore porn product his endorsement, opted to employ the classic solution of ignoring Preston and his several dozen requests on twitter and pretend he never read them.

Undeterred, Preston got on Jon Malin's Comicsgate Presents program but the chat audience looked up the editor he hire for White Lily and found several statements calling Comicsgate full of Nazis and wanted Preston to answer why anyone should give money to people who call them Nazis. Preston started throwing around the "cult" word after that and people asking why he refused to promote the hashtag and after that his ass was grass.

Rejected by the Comicsgate movement, Preston then declared Comicsgate against its self-proclaimed principles of respect for the customer, apolitical content and quality content since he met all three of those criteria compared to other people within Comicsgate, and declared CG in truth to be a corrupt e-celeb oligarchy where only those who bend the knee to the cult get access to the platform of paypigs. To cement this point, he created the program Last Week In Comicsgate, aggregating, compiling and presenting the assorted insanity and cringe in Comicsgate (including this thread) as Comicsgate mines the mainstream comic industry for content.

Preston, drawing upon his vast experience editing cuck porn films starring himself and videos of him taking giant dildos in his ass, was able to present all this information in an concise, organized manner surpassing the general low-grade content "yelling in my phone/laptop mic" achievable by the average subhuman boomer Comicsgater like Matt Wenger or Adam Post. With his beginner level video editing skills, willingness to bother use them and ability to set a topic of conversation setting him apart, Poulter was able to quickly ascend the ranks past iconoclasts like Mike S Miller or Captain Cummings or SWC to a position of leadership among "Anti-CG" but better described as Meta-CG.

With a growing following behind him, Preston hemmed closely to the business model and marketing technique innovated by Frog, but turned it against him by using Frog and his movement as the source of material for derision and mockery. From here he began to outline his countervailing position on what Comicsgate should stand for and mean, and to that end successfully trademarked the term "Comicsgate" with the intent of releasing it on a conditonal Open Platform License free for anyone to use, provided they hold to the tenets of the license saying any advertised Comicsgate product must refuse to disclose customer information, defraud customers and deliver timely books.

Positioning himself as the goto source of information on Comicsgate for people who hate Comicsgate (which is a wide and diverse set of people and groups), a lot of people started hitching their wagons and rallying behind him. Momentum was building, especially covering Liam Gray's daily stream, but then Preston's unimaginably debased coomer lifestyle came to light and his supporters, many of whom proclaim to be fundamentalist Christian like Doug TenNapel and Jon Del Arroz and other "staunch conservatives forced out of CG by the EVSJWs" are now left having to defend Preston's fondness for femdom, literal cuckoldry and pegging.

 

[Southern Man]

I think the Preston leaks made Anna Mello orgasm.

Anna is so fucking stupid. Like a dumb, annoying pre teen who thinks they are as smart as the grown ups. She definitely got off on Preston's cuck porn. An adult probably had to explain it to her though.

 

[Veronica]

No, Preston Poulter's history with Comicsgate starts with him hearing about a movement involving a group of indy comic creators like himself crosspromoting each others' products as a way of protesting against SJW hegemony in mainstream comics. So he started going around petitioning Frog to put him on his show to promote his WW2 lesbian coomer comic White Lily but Frog, uncomfortable with giving this arguably softcore porn product his endorsement, opted to employ the classic solution of ignoring Preston and his several dozen requests on twitter and pretend he never read them.

Undeterred, Preston got on Jon Malin's Comicsgate Presents program but the chat audience looked up the editor he hire for White Lily and found several statements calling Comicsgate full of Nazis and wanted Preston to answer why anyone should give money to people who call them Nazis. Preston started throwing around the "cult" word after that and people asking why he refused to promote the hashtag and after that his ass was grass.

Rejected by the Comicsgate movement, Preston then declared Comicsgate against its self-proclaimed principles of respect for the customer, apolitical content and quality content since he met all three of those criteria compared to other people within Comicsgate, and declared CG in truth to be a corrupt e-celeb oligarchy where only those who bend the knee to the cult get access to the platform of paypigs. To cement this point, he created the program Last Week In Comicsgate, aggregating, compiling and presenting the assorted insanity and cringe in Comicsgate (including this thread) as Comicsgate mines the mainstream comic industry for content.

Preston, drawing upon his vast experience editing cuck porn films starring himself and videos of him taking giant dildos in his ass, was able to present all this information in an concise, organized manner surpassing the general low-grade content "yelling in my phone/laptop mic" achievable by the average subhuman boomer Comicsgater like Matt Wenger or Adam Post. With his beginner level video editing skills, willingness to bother use them and ability to set a topic of conversation setting him apart, Poulter was able to quickly ascend the ranks past iconoclasts like Mike S Miller or Captain Cummings or SWC to a position of leadership among "Anti-CG" but better described as Meta-CG.

With a growing following behind him, Preston hemmed closely to the business model and marketing technique innovated by Frog, but turned it against him by using Frog and his movement as the source of material for derision and mockery. From here he began to outline his countervailing position on what Comicsgate should stand for and mean, and to that end successfully trademarked the term "Comicsgate" with the intent of releasing it on a conditonal Open Platform License free for anyone to use, provided they hold to the tenets of the license saying any advertised Comicsgate product must refuse to disclose customer information, defraud customers and deliver timely books.

Positioning himself as the goto source of information on Comicsgate for people who hate Comicsgate (which is a wide and diverse set of people and groups), a lot of people started hitching their wagons and rallying behind him. Momentum was building, especially covering Liam Gray's daily stream, but then Preston's unimaginably debased coomer lifestyle came to light and his supporters, many of whom proclaim to be fundamentalist Christian like Doug TenNapel and Jon Del Arroz and other "staunch conservatives forced out of CG by the EVSJWs" are now left having to defend Preston's fondness for femdom, literal cuckoldry and pegging.

Lydia Litvyak was not a lesbian. Preston Poulter is a real pig to do comics saying she was.

So which Anti CGer self destructs next?

 

[Wise Man]

So which Anti CGer self destructs next?

I think they take turns. One side then the other.

Probably Mitch after he gets sent a box of dildos or something. Or Simeti over his fake swatting.

 

[Cemila Mandes]

Anna is so fucking stupid. Like a dumb, annoying pre teen who thinks they are as smart as the grown ups. She definitely got off on Preston's cuck porn. An adult probably had to explain it to her though.

Anna only understands what her male overlords tell her.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

This thread is haunted by the poultergeist.

 

[A nameless trool]

Zack just writes, he does the easy part of the biz so praising him for being more productive is really meh.

But busting on Zack for dropping more books is silly. His motivation is to make comics, no squeeze every penny out of his backers. I'm guessing he's disappointed there aren't more backers for Grand Bizarre but that's why he needs to have back issues available, or there will be no room for his audience to grow.

Fun Fact: Grand Bizarre is the origin story of the Jawbreakers, the other two books are sort of an ending of the first itteration of JawBreakers. In his total lack of foresight, Zack tried doing what he considered THE JB STORY, G0d-K1ng as an IGG, believing he would only get the chance to do a comicbook.
Then he started his D&C youtube channel and blew up, so he did a one of, Lost Soul, to which he added the first two issues of G0d-K1ng that were already drawn.

So, not getting any of the back issues makes Grand Bizarre even better imho. It is made to be read first.

 

[GranDuke]

In defense of Frog, undoing 40 years of direct market-induced entropy in the comic book industry and finding a new way of restoring comics to ubiquitous consumption at this near-death stage of the medium wouldn't take an innovator of Stan Lee's calibre. It would take ten Stan Lees.

I don't think that we need even one Stan Lee for that. What we need is people actually creating comic books and selling them. When someone few pages ago made a joke question if this is still about a comic books and someone else responded by asking was this ever about comic books... I think they were very close to the truth.

I mean, how it all really got going? Zack making multiple videos a day rambling about bad comics and Frog going ballistic about Star Wars. Thats how they built their audiences. At the start Frog tried some interviews with other pros and talked more about comics that he did and how he draws, but those videos didn't catch up or at least not as much as his SW rants. There isn't much to rant about SW these days so now we have new gay ops and drama almost every week to keep people interested till next crowdfunding campaign happens. As a result they produce way more drama than comics.

In other words entire CG was largely funded by anti-SJW movement. Zack at some point realised that this gay shit has ceiling so he should adjust. But then I think that Frog was right when he said that culture warrior Zack was getting more money than he is getting now. So what gives? I'd say it is difficult to "grow" when you built your audience on culture wars audience. It doesn't help that most of what you are selling is low quality. Almost every week you could go to a comic book shop and find at least one new comic book that had better art and better writing and was cheaper than whatever the fuck CG was offering. Their only selling point was "fighting SJWs" and mainstream doesn't care about that, especially when those fighters are retards.

How are you going to change anything when you are not even producing one comic book worth reading a month?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I think the Preston leaks made Anna Mello orgasm.

This is the same girl who almost cries in almost every video and got mad when Ro made fun of her sister. Don't throw stones in glass houses anna. Preston's video about anna shitty cover wasn't even about her. But yeah, she got to get her little frog clout to dunk on Preston when she cries in every video or tweet made about her lmfao.

 

[nohm]

He is being really disingenuous in describing his career in porn.

When he talked about how he made those videos to share on fetlife and then they took them down, but someone uploaded them to PornHub, he left the part where he operated the MistressRoulette.com website from 2009-2016 where paypigs could phone sex his wife for $2.99 per minute and purchase videos they produced with other porn stars. These videos are still being sold on hotmovies.com, videoclips.com, literoticavod.com, fetishmovies.com

I said he was disingenuous, but let me revise that to liar.

That 46-minute video of him getting pegged that "someone" uploaded to Pornhub was Preston, or his wife. It's on the official Mistress Roulette PornHub account.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=48810538
http://archive.vn/uTFO3

https://www.pornhub.com/users/mistressroulette
http://archive.vn/meeJU

She even knew about the "Bitch Only Lets Dude Cum If He Sings A Christmas Song" upload and thought it was funny.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1102342233
http://archive.vn/DnrIe

and we made those videos to share on FetLife and then later when we became a little more concerned we took 'em down but someone apparently had grabbed them and uploaded them to Pornhub, so now I'm going to have to go to PornHub and issue some takedown orders on those videos

 

[cow-wannabe]

I said he was disingenuous, but let me revise that to liar.

That 46-minute video of him getting pegged that "someone" uploaded to Pornhub was Preston, or his wife. It's on the official Mistress Roulette PornHub account.

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Liam's getting his channel back tonight....that's almost like a handie for everyone!

 

[verissimus]

God, you straight people horrify me sometimes.

Shut it Korra.

In defense of Frog, undoing 40 years of direct market-induced entropy in the comic book industry and finding a new way of restoring comics to ubiquitous consumption at this near-death stage of the medium wouldn't take an innovator of Stan Lee's calibre. It would take ten Stan Lees.

Frog hasn't done it. No one inside or outside of Comicsgate (including the mainstream) has done it. Zack provided a great impetus for CG in the first place, but these days he's more interested in receiving the nebulous status of a "real publisher" along the lines of IDW or Fantagraphics then answering the questions you pose, and Zack was the most flexible and adaptive of all the inceptors of the original idea of Comicsgate. It's a lot to put on one man's shoulders.

I or somebody else has probably said it before and will say it again, but what exactly can be accomplished in the US comic book industry anymore? People are more tuned into other sources of entertainment than actual comic books. There is a greater chance for people reading it/getting once some kind of very popular adaption of a comic book(s) is made (so for example a new Spawn animated movie could inspire some people to get into Spawn comics). How are you exactly supposed to thrive in such a medium (and that's forgetting all the gate-keeping)? Answer is you don't. At least not particularly much.

 

[Mister Dongs]

How are you going to change anything when you are not even producing one comic book worth reading a month?

By convincing top-level creators that they could make more money owning their own comics and selling direct-to-customer instead of licking blue-haired gatekeeper boot and not having to produce a comic once a month. The main barrier is the small pool of customers funding these projects making volume production and savings nearly impossible.

In theory, Comicsgate should be able to pool together customers from multiple fandoms and platforms to make this possible and eventually lure in enough volume and quality creators to make costs financially competitive. But the constant menace of some dumb WC faggot who thinks because he spams retweets of IGG campaigns, some girl bringing 120k pairs of possible customers for CG products should be driven off or some drunk tard in a red romper suit who's main asset is that he's always ready with a quick anus joke thinks the guy with decades of industry experience, credibility and actual Hollywood connections must answer to him, always lurks in the wings.

Liam's getting his channel back tonight....that's almost like a handie for everyone!

fuck yea

 

[GranDuke]

By convincing top-level creators that they could make more money owning their own comics and selling direct-to-customer instead of licking blue-haired gatekeeper boot and not having to produce a comic once a month.

I didn't really mean that everyone should release one comic a month, but that CG as whole should be able to do it. For example take entire 2019, can you name 12 CG related releases that you could recommend to someone who might be interested in comics? I can't.