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Click the bars under "chart" and you can see the futures prices for the selected commodity and you can use your mouse wheel to scroll back and forth in time. Pretty much everything except gold ate shit hard.


Harvest is months off so I don't understand what their deal is there. The problem for the UK is getting certain labor intensive produce planted. Which can be worked around by changing crops and/or delaying planting until the government pulls it's head out of it's ass and allows the migrant workers in. Not to mention the imports that could be used to make up the shortfall. There should be lots of more expensive labor-intensive vegetables available as belts tighten globally and many consumers cut down and rely on cheaper mechanically harvested veggies like peas and green beans.

There are weather events that are just as disruptive, really. Hardly anything to sound the "it's happening" klaxxon about.
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UK agriculture is different to your parts of the States. maybe? We have a very good climate for farming. Even arable farmers do multiple crops a year I think, and the specialist crops come in at all sorts of times. From the linked metro article written at the end of April :
Asparagus and cucumbers are already being picked and next month, the UK’s strawberries, raspberries and spring onions will need to be harvested, before peas and beans in June.

Farmers have warned for weeks that a shortage of labour due to coronavirus travel restrictions could see millions of tonnes of fruit and vegetables left unpicked or composted.
Though I'm pretty sure specialist crops in the US will require year round harvesting and manual tending also.

But the point I'm making is that a well balanced system has been given a massive knock, and so there will be after effects. We really can't assume that this will result in plentiful cheap vegetables. All those mitigations take time, and farming requires planning ahead, and hoping to compensate with imports from abroad is not guaranteed.
 
Fighting the government isn't going to work because there is too many normies that buy into this thing and its world wide so just play the game and hopefully we can get back on track.

I was just in one of the harshest lockdown cities in the entire country the past few days. In just the few days I was there the city transformed from mostly quiet and empty to almost normal activity.

Normies are not going to riot.
Normies are not going to keep sitting in their homes obeying inane 'respecty my authority!' dictates

Normies show every indication that they are simply going back to work.

Open signs were on for every type of small business throughout the city: furniture stores, vacuum service shops, flower shops, etc.

There are clearly major exceptions like malls, bars, interior dining, schools, etc. But beyond those normal people have collectively said 'fuck it' over the past week and are going back to work.

The lunatic lockdown governors and mayors are scrambling to appear to get out in front of this mass ignoring of their self appointed power over the lives of their subjects. They are getting crushed in courts and every single person with an Net connection can see states like Georgia and others now well past the two weeks where the bodies were supposed to start piling up.

The lockdowns are crumbling at an ever increasing rate. The only question now is just how petty these tin pot self appointed dictators are going to be as life rapidly returns to normal over the next few weeks.
 
The proposed UBI law here in spain also has that specific term saying if you get caught rejecting jobs while on it you will loose your UBI benefits... USA would be really stupid not to add it. And your politicians may be quite tardy at times, but I think the republicans already noticed.

To be absolutely clear, in the US (... this may vary state by state) if you are offered work but reject it -- i.e., your boss calls you back and you say no -- then you automatically lose your Unemployment Benefits. Not sure if this is "until you find a job" or "for a week or two" but yeah.

I half expect this to be one of Pelosi's new ransom demands. A forever-lockdown is a whole lot more appealing if you can just tell all the woke hipsters and terrified Karens that they don't have to worry about a thing, daddy government will pay their bills for the next few years.

(Meanwhile, watch China and Saudi Arabia swoop in and start buying up businesses and real estate left and right as things start collapsing.)
 
Another MedCram video. I like his SPIN/SNOUT mnemonic - SPecitivity rules IN, SeNsitivity rules OUT. Another interesting/horrifying thing is that Youtube is taking down videos that solely consist of a Doctor discussing peer-reviewed research for political reasons. Since Trump once said that hydroxychloroquine works, any videos that say that too must be memory-holed. Land of the free!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANgon3Umns
https://archive.vn/VE2RR

 
I was just in one of the harshest lockdown cities in the entire country the past few days. In just the few days I was there the city transformed from mostly quiet and empty to almost normal activity.

Normies are not going to riot.
Normies are not going to keep sitting in their homes obeying inane 'respecty my authority!' dictates

Normies show every indication that they are simply going back to work.

Open signs were on for every type of small business throughout the city: furniture stores, vacuum service shops, flower shops, etc.

There are clearly major exceptions like malls, bars, interior dining, schools, etc. But beyond those normal people have collectively said 'fuck it' over the past week and are going back to work.

The lunatic lockdown governors and mayors are scrambling to appear to get out in front of this mass ignoring of their self appointed power over the lives of their subjects. They are getting crushed in courts and every single person with an Net connection can see states like Georgia and others now well past the two weeks where the bodies were supposed to start piling up.

The lockdowns are crumbling at an ever increasing rate. The only question now is just how petty these tin pot self appointed dictators are going to be as life rapidly returns to normal over the next few weeks.

Yup, the Ohio governor just crumpled. Even if a number of cases do come up, believe we'll be able to handle them even better than if people were hiding inside their residences. Life entails a certain amount of risk. People get that.

As Americans, we'll get the job done, no matter how much a bunch of little Hitlers try to fuck with us on their power trips.


The rest of the little Hitlers out there need to wake up and stop wasting time lifting house arrests, before those house arrests are lifted for them.


 
ONS figures for Week Ending 08-May have been released. archive .
Spreadsheet available here, (archive) , and also attached.

Main takeaways :
1) Trend is very definitely down. Overall weekly deaths are clearly heading back down to the usual average.
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2) At last, the Covid deaths are more than the increase over the previous years , as it should be assuming there must be some replacement deaths.
Covid deaths = 3930
Excess deaths above average = 12657 - 9576 = 3081 .
For the previous weeks this hasn't been true, which was worrying, as that hinted at avoidable deaths caused by the lockdown panic.

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Extra column added by me at the end, to total the running numbers for each age group. That's 30 people under the age of 25. And only 237 under the age of 40. I.e Fuck all.
 

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Coronavirus: What's going wrong in Sweden's care homes?

Care home residents account for nearly half of deaths linked to Covid-19 in Sweden. Some healthcare workers believe an institutional reluctance to admit patients to hospital is costing lives.

Lili Sedghi's father, Reza, was not seen by a doctor on the day he died from coronavirus, at his care home in northern Stockholm.

A nurse told her he'd had a morphine shot in the hours before he passed away, but he was not given oxygen, nor did staff call an ambulance. "No-one was there and he died alone," says Ms Sedghi. "It's so unfair."

Most of the 3,698 people who have died from coronavirus in Sweden so far were over 70, despite the fact that the country said shielding risk groups was its top priority.

Sweden, with 10m inhabitants, has kept more of society open than is the case in most of Europe.

"We did not manage to protect the most vulnerable people, the most elderly, despite our best intentions," Prime Minister Stefan Löfven admitted last week.

The Swedish Public Health Agency told the BBC that 48.9% of deaths were care home residents up to and including 14 May.

Sweden did ban visits to care homes on 31 March. But as in many European countries, relatives, staff and union officials have shared concerns that protective clothing arrived too late, and that some staff may have gone to work at the start of the crisis despite showing symptoms of Covid-19.

Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services.

'We were told not to send them in'
"They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic.

"Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch."

Ms Löfvenberg is now working on a Covid-19 ward in a major hospital in the Swedish capital, where she says the demographic of patients she's treating is further evidence that the elderly are being kept away. "We don't have many older people. It's a lot of younger people born in the 90s, 80s, 70s."

A paramedic working in Stockholm, who wanted to remain anonymous, told the BBC she had not had a single call-out to an elderly care home connected to Covid-19, despite putting in overtime during the crisis.

Mikael Fjällid, a Swedish private consultant in anaesthetics and intensive care, says he believes "a lot of lives" could have been saved if more patients had been able to access hospital treatment, or if care home workers were given increased responsibilities to administer oxygen themselves, instead of waiting for specialist Covid-19 response teams or paramedics.

"If you need care and you can benefit [from] care, for example, or oxygen for a short time, you should have it. Like any other age group in the population," says Mr Fjällid, a right-wing critic of the centre-left led government.

"If you have more than 20% that survive without nothing, you could assume that also perhaps the same amount or the same proportion would have survived with supplemental oxygen."

In April 10,458 people died in Sweden, making it the country's deadliest month since 1993, when there was an outbreak of seasonal flu, state-funded Statistics Sweden reports.

National guidelines
Decisions about healthcare staffing and resources are taken at a regional level in Sweden, although national guidelines suggest that elderly patients, whether in state or privately run care homes, should not automatically be taken to hospital for treatment.

Dr Thomas Linden, Chief Medical Officer at the National Board of Health and Welfare, says workers should "professionally weigh the potential benefits" against risk factors such as catching the virus in hospital and the "costs" of transporting patients, including the likelihood of disorientation and discomfort.

Healthcare workers are asked not to discriminate on age alone, he says, although biological age may be relevant in combination with other factors.

When it comes to providing palliative care, it is not mandatory to give patients oxygen, and Dr Linden admits "the opinions on the value of oxygen is divided between specialities and regions".

Gävleborg, the region where Latifa Löfvenberg worked at the start of the pandemic, says individual patients' needs are always put first and that nurses can call doctors to make assessments about the need for hospital care.

It is against the idea of care-home workers administering oxygen during palliative care, because it requires specialist training.

Christoffer Bernsköld, a spokesperson for geriatric care for Region Stockholm, insists there are enough resources to ensure patients in the capital get acute or palliative care, with a focus on "specialist homecare units" providing help in the first instance.

He points to a new, unused, military field hospital in southern Stockholm as proof that the elderly are not being held back from treatment because of a lack of beds.

But he says it can be an "ethical dilemma" whether to administer oxygen or transfer patients to hospital.

Critics like Mikael Fjällid see that field hospital as a sign that officials in the capital have been cautious about hospitalising the elderly because they fear overstretching resources, which would be needed to cope with a future spike in cases.

How do other countries prioritise patients?
Sweden is not alone in asking healthcare workers to consider the fragility of patients when deciding whether or not to send them to hospital.

But representatives of care homes in other parts of Europe have told the BBC they do not share Swedish critics' concerns about a lack of access to treatment.

In the UK, the National Care Association says it believes care has been available for Covid-19 patients "no matter how old or sick" they are.

The Association of German Aid for the Elderly and Disabled says every patient with coronavirus symptoms is seen by a doctor and there hasn't been a single patient who has not received the care they needed. In some cases, entire care homes have been moved into hospitals. Many homes also keep emergency oxygen on site.

The Danish Nurses Association says that all patients in need of oxygen are currently sent to hospital. This could be reviewed if there is a shortage of ventilators, although age would not affect future guidelines.

More funding and permanent jobs
At a recent news conference, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Löfven told the BBC that regional authorities had been trusted to make sure healthcare provision "works the best way" and given extra resources from the state to cover costs connected to Covid-19.

Last week the government also announced a further 2.2bn kronor (£185m) for additional training within care homes, with a view to creating 10,000 permanent positions for assistant nurses and care workers.

Mr Löfven said it wasn't currently the right time to reflect on potential failures, but a national commission would look at how things had been handled at a local, regional and national level as soon as the "acute" phase of the crisis was over.

That is a bittersweet message for relatives of Covid-19 victims like Lili Sedghi, who buried her father last week.

"Whatever they did didn't work, because... many, many people in his home are dead," she says.
 
Another interesting/horrifying thing is that Youtube is taking down videos that solely consist of a Doctor discussing peer-reviewed research for political reasons. Since Trump once said that hydroxychloroquine works, any videos that say that too must be memory-holed. Land of the free!
Opinions seem to vary on whether it's okay for Trump to relay his medical experts' advice to the public rather than letting the medical experts do so in their own words. But I'd hope that everyone can agree that media companies actively preventing medical experts from speaking to the public is much much worse.
 
Man, I am starting to get really annoyed with people comparing the trajectory of this disease to the first wave of Spanish flu and saying "we're making the same mistake they did during the first wave and look what happened to them!"

It's not at all comparable, the first wave of the Spanish flu was not particularly deadly and they had no way of knowing it was anything but a normal respitory illness going around again. The only "mistake" they made was not being psychic and knowing it would mutate into something so virulent (and there are still some who question if the first wave of Spanish flu was even the pandemic strain and not a seasonal H1N1, in which case the second wave was actually the first wave of the pandemic).

There are a lot of things you can compare between the two pandemics, but the first wave of Spanish flu is not relevant to this pandemic unless we find out some cold that was going around in spring of 2019 was actually the first wave.

A deadlier second wave is possible and I don't discount it, but people are acting like It's a given because that's what happened in 1918. Spanish flu was a really weird pandemic and there are still a lot of unanswered questions about it.

Mostly I just hate the Monday morning quarterbacking of history and blaming people for something they had no way of knowing, but also it just feels like a scare tactic instead of a way of learning anything useful about the current situation.

Sorry for the autism, I was just always interested in that era of history and I hate seeing the situation misrepresented for "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" purposes.
 
Opinions seem to vary on whether it's okay for Trump to relay his medical experts' advice to the public rather than letting the medical experts do so in their own words. But I'd hope that everyone can agree that media companies actively preventing medical experts from speaking to the public is much much worse.

I had a look at the videos Youtube took down by comparing his Youtube channel (archive) with Medcram.com (archive)

And you can see the videos Youtube took down were all ones which are politically sensitive in the USA

Update 57: Remdesivir Treatment Update and Can UV-C Disinfect Public Spaces?
Update 43: Shortages, Immunity, & Can a TB Vaccine (BCG) Help Prevent COVID-19?
Update 10: New Studies, Transmission, Spread, & Prevention

If you listen (IIRC) to the last Sam Harris podcast with Jonathan Haidt one of them observed that coronavirus treatments have become politicized in the US with 'one side saying Hydroxychloroquine works and Remdesvir does not and the other side saying the opposite'. So I can see why Remdesvir is politically sensitive. Like most tech companies Youtube leans very heavily Democrat and if you're an idiot you think it's a good idea to delete any videos with scientific studies that support your opponents' choice of drug.
 
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Sweden really likes Logan’s Run so they really don’t have a problem with the Boomer Remover.

Man, I am starting to get really annoyed with people comparing the trajectory of this disease to the first wave of Spanish flu and saying "we're making the same mistake they did during the first wave and look what happened to them!"

It's not at all comparable, the first wave of the Spanish flu was not particularly deadly and they had no way of knowing it was anything but a normal respitory illness going around again. The only "mistake" they made was not being psychic and knowing it would mutate into something so virulent (and there are still some who question if the first wave of Spanish flu was even the pandemic strain and not a seasonal H1N1, in which case the second wave was actually the first wave of the pandemic).

There are a lot of things you can compare between the two pandemics, but the first wave of Spanish flu is not relevant to this pandemic unless we find out some cold that was going around in spring of 2019 was actually the first wave.

A deadlier second wave is possible and I don't discount it, but people are acting like It's a given because that's what happened in 1918. Spanish flu was a really weird pandemic and there are still a lot of unanswered questions about it.

Mostly I just hate the Monday morning quarterbacking of history and blaming people for something they had no way of knowing, but also it just feels like a scare tactic instead of a way of learning anything useful about the current situation.

Sorry for the autism, I was just always interested in that era of history and I hate seeing the situation misrepresented for "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" purposes.
I read an article that said the Kung Flu started showing up in October 2019. If I find it again, I’ll post it.
 
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I read an article that said the Kung Flu started showing up in October 2019. If I find it again, I’ll post it.
I'd be really interested in that! There was definitely a weird bug going around since the fall and I wonder if there were a few clusters early on that went under the radar.

There's so much we don't know yet about this outbreak and it will be really interesting to see what comes to light. We're so in the thick of it right now, it's hard to imagine the way we'll look back on this disease once we learn more.

Thinking back to another pandemic, I keep thinking of the early days of AIDS and how much more we know about it now vs back then.
 
I was just in one of the harshest lockdown cities in the entire country the past few days. In just the few days I was there the city transformed from mostly quiet and empty to almost normal activity.

Normies are not going to riot.
Normies are not going to keep sitting in their homes obeying inane 'respecty my authority!' dictates

Normies show every indication that they are simply going back to work.

Open signs were on for every type of small business throughout the city: furniture stores, vacuum service shops, flower shops, etc.

There are clearly major exceptions like malls, bars, interior dining, schools, etc. But beyond those normal people have collectively said 'fuck it' over the past week and are going back to work.

The lunatic lockdown governors and mayors are scrambling to appear to get out in front of this mass ignoring of their self appointed power over the lives of their subjects. They are getting crushed in courts and every single person with an Net connection can see states like Georgia and others now well past the two weeks where the bodies were supposed to start piling up.

The lockdowns are crumbling at an ever increasing rate. The only question now is just how petty these tin pot self appointed dictators are going to be as life rapidly returns to normal over the next few weeks.

Pretty sure most people (world wide) are at this point listening to the health officials rather then rebelling. Most people think regardless of if you are right or wrong its better to play it safe and minimize the chances this virus goes endemic. The economy can be rebuilt, houses can be refinanced and business will resume but the virus going endemic will in the long term be worse then short term losses. If you look outside of this thread most people are trying to snuff out this virus.
 
I cant wait for the thread full of screenshots of people trying to scam unemployment come this summer. No one getting $800+ a week wants to return to their shitty office job, so they can and will attempt to scam their states' unemployment office. Laughs will be had. Im already starting to see the posts on reddit, "Um Im Iike really really scared of coronavirus but my boss wants me bavk at work next week. Also he was super mean about it when I asked if could keep working from home. How do I tell him no but keep my unemployment benefits?"

YOU DONT! :stress:

You're pretty much forced to go to work regardless of how you feel about your boss' precautions. My boss let it be known that the UBI train stops this week and we're opening for business come hell or high water, even if this costs each individual employee an extra 600 bucks in government green. Since your boss has to approve your UBI benefits request for you to get your money, they pretty much control when and if you get unemployment. If you've gotten any amount of UBI during this crisis, be thankful. There were kids stuck in "essential" dead-end monkey jobs who had to work double shifts for ten dollars an hour because one of their coworkers decided to stay at home and smoke weed all day in order to stave off the Coof.
 
Pretty sure most people (world wide) are at this point listening to the health officials rather then rebelling.

Other people can give their impressions from lockdown cities but I over the past few days I am have seen people going to work in the morning and returning home in the evening, large numbers of normal retail stores open despite the lockdown, etc.

Not rebelling, just ignoring and going back to a normal life.
 
You're pretty much forced to go to work regardless of how you feel about your boss' precautions. My boss let it be known that the UBI train stops this week and we're opening for business come hell or high water, even if this costs each individual employee an extra 600 bucks in government green. Since your boss has to approve your UBI benefits request for you to get your money, they pretty much control when and if you get unemployment. If you've gotten any amount of UBI during this crisis, be thankful. There were kids stuck in "essential" dead-end monkey jobs who had to work double shifts for ten dollars an hour because one of their coworkers decided to stay at home and smoke weed all day in order to stave off the Coof.

A re-open is fine just wear a fucking mask and don't be a tard, wash your hands. Its really just basic shit, Concepts like bars, concerts and sporting events need to be eliminated for the time being buy your booze and drink at home and watch it on TV.
 
The economy can be rebuilt, houses can be refinanced and business will resume but the virus going endemic will in the long term be worse then short term losses. If you look outside of this thread most people are trying to snuff out this virus.
You're missing the part where the UN/NGOs/Left/Bill Gates will keep the world hostage until we surrender our privacy and bodily autonomy forever.
 
You're missing the part where the UN/NGOs/Left/Bill Gates will keep the world hostage until we surrender our privacy and bodily autonomy forever.

If you own a smart phone you have no privacy its the microchip the questionable Christians talk about... The mark of the beast but they are too narrow minded to think outside the box and think it needs to be a vaccinated nano machines because they have been brainwashed from an early age by irresponsible parents.
 
If you own a smart phone you have no privacy its the microchip the questionable Christians talk about... The mark of the beast but they are too narrow minded to think outside the box and think it needs to be a vaccinated nano machines because they have been brainwashed from an early age by irresponsible parents.
Some of us are able to go outside and do things without one.
 
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