Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Kinesiska staten blir storägare i flygbolaget Norwegian - DN.SE

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The Chinese state becomes a major owner of Norwegian

Through the Company BOC Aviation Limited, the Chinese state is a partner in the airline Norwegian with just under 13 percent of the shares. This is after the debt restructuring that was completed to save the company.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Not surprising to see India being angry to China. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-standing-china-post-covid-world http://archive.vn/iEurf

Authored by Vijeta Uniyal via The Gatestone Institute,

As coronavirus leaves behind a trail of human suffering and economic devastation, nations across the world have begun asking critical questions about the global pandemic. Countries are enquiring into Communist China's handling of the pandemic, which first appeared late last year in the central Chinese city of Wuhan.

As early as January 14, China had used the World Health Organization (WHO), a United Nations agency, to spread disinformation about the human-to-human transmissibility of Covid-19, a remark that led US National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien later to call the WHO a "tool of Chinese propaganda."

While U.S. President Donald J. Trump faced mostly undeserved, politicized criticism for questioning China's culpability in the spread of the worldwide pandemic and his calls for an international probe into it, more and more capitals across the Western world are making similar demands.


On March 20, The Washington Post attacked President Trump for even mentioning China in context of the pandemic. "Trump has no qualms about calling coronavirus the 'Chinese Virus.' That's a dangerous attitude, experts say."

As late as the end of March, CNN was still claiming that President Trump was targeting China for "political reasons... using entrenched stereotypes and fear of the other to cast off any blame that might fall on him from this crisis."

On May 1, however, the New York Post reported that "[m]ore US allies and other countries are joining the Trump administration's call for an investigation into China, the World Health Organization and the origins of the deadly coronavirus pandemic."

In the Asia-Pacific region, Australia has taken lead in asking for an international investigation into Beijing's culpability in the spread of the pandemic. "Now, it would seem entirely reasonable and sensible that the world would want to have an independent assessment of how this all occurred, so we can learn the lessons and prevent it from happening again," Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on April 29. Australia's demand was supported by New Zealand.

By way of response, China's Ambassador to Australia, Cheng Jingye, threatened a boycott of Australian goods if Prime Minister Morrison's government continued to insist on an independent investigation into the outbreak.

In Europe, Sweden took a similar stance, asking the European Union to start a probe into "the origin and spread" of the coronavirus. "When the global situation of Covid-19 is under control, it is both reasonable and important that an international, independent investigation be conducted to gain knowledge about the origin and spread of the coronavirus," Sweden's health minister Lena Hallengren told the nation's parliament in a written statement on April 20.


Under threats of cutting Europe's medical supplies, China forced the EU to water down a report exposing Beijing's global disinformation campaign. "The European Union toned down part of a report about Chinese state-backed disinformation because it feared Beijing would retaliate by withholding medical supplies," the Hong Kong-based newspaper South China Morning Post, citing diplomatic sources, disclosed on April 25.

China, which first covered up the outbreak of the contagion in city of Wuhan, is now running a global disinformation and intimidation campaign, trying to blame the United States or Italy for the coronavirus. So far, apparently too many countries are now aware of China's intentions. As Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Germany's largest publishing house, Axel Springer, argued recently in Die Welt:

"Economic relations with China might seem harmless to many Europeans today, but they could soon lead to political dependence and ultimately to the end of a free and liberal Europe... Should we make a pact with an authoritarian regime or should we work to strengthen a community of free, constitutionally governed market economies with liberal societies?... If current European and, above all, German policy on China continues, this will lead to a gradual decoupling from America and a step-by-step infiltration and subjugation by China. Economic dependence will only be the first step. Political influence will follow."

At the moment, it is unclear if China's charm offensive, if one could call it that, is working.

Most recently, on May 4, Sharri Markson reported on a leaked 15-page research document, obtained by Australia's Saturday Telegraph, written by the "Five Eyes" -- the intelligence services of the US, the UK, Canada Australia and New Zealand.

"It states that to the 'endangerment of other countries' the Chinese government covered-up news of the virus by silencing or "disappearing" doctors who spoke out, destroying evidence of it in laboratories and refusing to provide live samples to international scientists who were working on a vaccine."

In true Orwellian fashion, top Chinese diplomats are still demanding that foreign governments rewrite the history of the coronavirus outbreak. Under President Xi Jinping's instructions, Chinese diplomats are running a global campaign of intimidation to divert world's attention from Beijing's culpability in the spread of the coronavirus. Dubbed "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy, referring to a popular Chinese movie series of the same name, the strategy aims at silencing and intimidate Western governments, critical media outlets, and think tanks. The good news is that the world is finally getting a good look at the true face of China.

 

[druid]

Spoiler: Archive

 

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Expect a lot more of this unless people move to stop it.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

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Cool, release a virus, cause a global pandemic, tank the world's economy, destroy businesses, buy them at fire sale prices. Next they'll probably buy all the debt and bonds by governments to raise money to get out of this.

 

[coolkille]

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LOL. Those ungrateful, highly pigmented whipper-snappers should be subjected to obligatory and forced education about the living conditions of early 20th century Sweden. They have every opportunity to better themselves and take use of their new, welcoming abode, something that wasn't possible 100 years ago. It's a good thing that SD is ramping up their anti-immigrant rhetoric, a good portion of these jungle people and sand dwellers genuinely can't be reasoned with. Fuck em'.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

I'd challenge these mask and social distancing laws just for the sweet lawsuit bux but the police are so disgusted by De Blasio/Cuomo I seriously doubt they'd arrest me.

I've done this unintentionally a handful of times. I'm an autistic NEET that ignores the media so I just didn't know masks were mandatory. Nobody cared.

That's the sad thing. With news of the $600 Federal add-on, Unemployment suddenly became more attractive than working for a large number of people. As I probably said before, I can understand making people whole during a period of unemployment that may last indefinitely through nobody's fault.

It's even worse with SSI folks. They got their $1200 in Trumpbux, regular ~$900 payments, an increase in EBT. I'm going to get like $2500 in April and May. Why the fuck would any schizo bum want to wageslave if they're getting that.

 

[RodgerDodger]

They seem to be doing so in the CA area where I shop. Haven't been to Costco in several weeks. Simply not worth my self-respect to put up with their shit to buy things I don't really need. Only need one thing from Costco that I cannot get on base or online.


@deeplyhigh - The credit union I presently use used to be very hard over re masks, hats, and sunglasses. I wear glasses that darken in the light and lighten up inside. Some dumb twat at that credit union used to try to get me to take my glasses off while they were still dark. Told her no. She repeated her idiocy. Complained to the management. No further problems, haven't seen her again. The only people wearing masks when this bullshit is over will be those with a medical need and the male and female Karens. I sure as hell won't be wearing a mask. Neither will most people, and they'll the Karens to fuck off.

@Kiwi Lime Pie - I hear you re the unemployment compensation. However, if you live in a very expensive area like ours and work in hospitality, a major employer, that extra $600/week is a godsend. Rents here are very high. Shit, everything here except bullshit from the government is expensive. Can assure you that extra money is put to good use paying rent, buying food, etc. In lower-cost areas, the extra money may be a little excessive. But if Congress can drop billions on corporations crying poor-mouth due to the ChiCom Flu, and blow six trillion dollars on two Middle East wars that have gained us nothing, I don't sweat providing a little extra cash to needy Americans.

honestly the best possible social outcome of this would be for Americans to adopt the Asian approach to masks. If you’re sick, wear one. No social stigma attached. If nothing else it would blunt flu season.

 

[Freya]

Gotta wear masks in PA. Pretty much all stores here have signs saying they're required for entry

 

[JosephStalin]

honestly the best possible social outcome of this would be for Americans to adopt the Asian approach to masks. If you’re sick, wear one. No social stigma attached. If nothing else it would blunt flu season.

Saw it all the time when I lived in Asia. Some people wore masks. Most didn't. Made no difference to me. Just not tolerating some Karen telling me what to do.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Gotta wear masks in PA. Pretty much all stores here have signs saying they're required for entry

I went to Target yesterday and they had a sign up too. But nobody was enforcing it and I'd say about a third of the people inside were not wearing masks, or just had them draped around their chin. These same stores have also always had signs up saying "No pets" but people still bring their god damn dogs inside anyway (huge pet peeve of mine). In fact that's what I'm going to point out if any Karen tries to tell me I need to wear a mask. Bitch, you never said anything to people bringing Fluffy inside to sniff all the groceries and get dander everywhere.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

Saw it all the time when I lived in Asia. Some people wore masks. Most didn't. Made no difference to me. Just not tolerating some Karen telling me what to do.

Speaking of Asia and being a weeb, I appreciate from the bottom of my heart that Japan's lockdown procedures were "suggestions" by the government rather than fiat decrees from above.

The wartime experience with government repression & complete breakdown of the civilian economy left such an awful taste in the mouths of Japanese jurists and people that they never want to repeat that bullshit again in regards to civil rights. Maybe the US & UK wouldn't have such wartime homefront rationing fetishism with this Wu Flu bullshit if people remembered their family members being taken away in the night never to be seen again until the end of the war or at all, eating gross ersatsz foods (To this day in Germany people refuse to eat rutabagas) and wartime starvation.

 

[Кот Бегемот]

Doing some digging, I found a PDF that states anyone refusing work in Michigan is disqualified and loses up to 13 weeks in future benefits unless they requalify. While a claimant could argue that going back to work would pose a safety risk, they might have the burden of proof to show that their employer is not following safety procedures. Even with COVID-19 being a concern, I'd like to think this would be an uphill battle at best. Unfortunately, claimants occasionally get justified denials overturned.

I'm pretty positive that MI is not the only state, I fact I know few other states with similar requirements. Refusing any work would auto disqualify you from UI, even if they are offering dishwasher position to a rocket scientist, technically.

Luckily, employers tend to discriminated on a lot of factors, not just age but family and kids, meanwhile they tend not to pursue reporting of job refusals. A lot of people say nothing and just try to work this shit among themselves.

Covid payout increases to UI and lower wages pushed the market into situation where UI is literally more than work would pay, and Covid payments is just one of two problems. Another issue is that even part time work will limit UI payout to the point that even getting a part time job is totally not worth it. So much is broken in this system.

Seems to me these refugees act an awful lot like economic migrants. And hey, nothing wrong with migrating. So long as it's done LEGALLY. But I believe disguising migration as asylum is called fraud. Why is sweeden not persecuting any refugee stupid enough to go back home for christmass again?!

historically, refugees qualified for state help, meanwhile immigrants not only didn't get assistance, but had to prove that they could support themselves (have job offer in hand etc.) and have people or entities backing them financially in case they loose the job/get into a hospital and can't get a ticket home.

The refugee status required that in your country of origin, there was a threat to your life. This was true for both US and Canada. If you'd leave to visit your homecountry then there was no threat and you were disqualified and deported back/not let back. I've known of several cases when this shit happened after 5 and one closer to 10 years of residency (but no citizenship) when a refugee had status revoked and sent packing.

It also requires, to this day, I believe, that during 1y waiting for green card, you can not leave US and in fact, if I remember correctly why John Lennon could not get his GC for a while because he needed to stay put for at least a year.

Things sure changed in respect to immigration and refugee process. The interesting part is that it seems like no major changes were made, but the nightmare of getting a refugee status from early 90s (soviet collapse) and now have changed dramatically in reality without notable legislation or changes in laws.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I'm pretty positive that MI is not the only state, I fact I know few other states with similar requirements. Refusing any work would auto disqualify you from UI, even if they are offering dishwasher position to a rocket scientist, technically.

Luckily, employers tend to discriminated on a lot of factors, not just age but family and kids, meanwhile they tend not to pursue reporting of job refusals. A lot of people say nothing and just try to work this shit among themselves.

Covid payout increases to UI and lower wages pushed the market into situation where UI is literally more than work would pay, and Covid payments is just one of two problems. Another issue is that even part time work will limit UI payout to the point that even getting a part time job is totally not worth it. So much is broken in this system.




historically, refugees qualified for state help, meanwhile immigrants not only didn't get assistance, but had to prove that they could support themselves (have job offer in hand etc.) and have people or entities backing them financially in case they loose the job/get into a hospital and can't get a ticket home.

The refugee status required that in your country of origin, there was a threat to your life. This was true for both US and Canada. If you'd leave to visit your homecountry then there was no threat and you were disqualified and deported back/not let back. I've known of several cases when this shit happened after 5 and one closer to 10 years of residency (but no citizenship) when a refugee had status revoked and sent packing.

It also requires, to this day, I believe, that during 1y waiting for green card, you can not leave US and in fact, if I remember correctly why John Lennon could not get his GC for a while because he needed to stay put for at least a year.

Things sure changed in respect to immigration and refugee process. The interesting part is that it seems like no major changes were made, but the nightmare of getting a refugee status from early 90s (soviet collapse) and now have changed dramatically in reality without notable legislation or changes in laws.

If there's one thing us spaniards have come to know quite well. Is laws are only as good as the checks and balances that keep them from being broken. See the comment above yours for an extreme example. Who cares what the book says when Merkel forces the EU to carpet grant the status? Well... not the executives in the EU that's for sure. At least not until someone takes them to task by other means. I welcome the return of such means. It is about damned time certain people are reminded of why anti-corruption should be doing its job.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Good one.


The DOJ has told CA they need to stop fucking with people's rights to go to church.

DOJ warns California that re-opening could 'discriminate' against religious groups

https://archive.vn/i9zNh

>'discriminate'

imagine putting tickmarks around that word in any other title

"DOJ Warns Alabama That Separate Drinking Fountains Could 'Discriminate' Against Blacks"

Fucking USA Today

 

[Кот Бегемот]

If there's one thing us spaniards have come to know quite well. Is laws are only as good as the checks and balances that keep them from being broken. See the comment above yours for an extreme example. Who cares what the book says when Merkel forces the EU to carpet grant the status? Well... not the executives in the EU that's for sure. At least not until someone takes them to task by other means. I welcome the return of such means. It is about damned time certain people are reminded of why anti-corruption should be doing its job.

that's spot on, laws did not change, what changes are attitudes of state bureaucrats who choose to enforce or disregard them. This highlights just how much power these unelected assholes have.

I'll give you another extreme example. The same immigration judges who were giving hard time for to friend of mine to stay here, despite having no criminal record, MD, shelling out thousands for immigration attorneys and actually having a case, those same judges are the one who'd let illegals who were arrested for committing real crimes out of the back door on no bail to avoid ICE.

 

[Cat Menagerie]

Pretty soon I'll get to go to Louisiana to visit family members, we will get together to honor our relative who died. It has been a month and a half and I still can't fully accept they're gone and that COVID-19 was the cause. I know it was, but it feels very unlucky given all we've learned since then (that it likely has a much lower MR than initially feared). For a couple weeks I was fearful because of this, because this person was not over 65, not obese, and had no conditions that put them at higher risk. Just bad fucking luck.

Anyway, as far as OKC is concerned, most closures were lifted 20 days ago. At that time you had some blue state vultures taunting that in a couple weeks we'd regret it. Well, the past few weeks have shown an overall decline in daily new cases. The spikes are generally caused by reporting delays.

 

[Simpadoo]

I hate to burst your bubble, but it won't work. The ADA doesn't work like that. This is literally sovcit stuff.

However, it might just freak out some stores, so, I'd say go for it. Worst case scenario is they refuse.



Want the mask usage to stop? Or start?

Bright red Make America Great Again Masks. $20 for a 100 pack on donaldjtrump.com. The Karens won't be able to demand we all stop wearing them fast enough.

Where can we buy them?

Or other politically-incorrect messages

Speaking of Asia and being a weeb, I appreciate from the bottom of my heart that Japan's lockdown procedures were "suggestions" by the government rather than fiat decrees from above.

The wartime experience with government repression & complete breakdown of the civilian economy left such an awful taste in the mouths of Japanese jurists and people that they never want to repeat that bullshit again in regards to civil rights. Maybe the US & UK wouldn't have such wartime homefront rationing fetishism with this Wu Flu bullshit if people remembered their family members being taken away in the night never to be seen again until the end of the war or at all, eating gross ersatsz foods (To this day in Germany people refuse to eat rutabagas) and wartime starvation.

They have an extremely cohesive society though and with their high literacy rates and zero immigration, a reasonable suggestion will be complied with. They’re as autistic as the Germans in that sense. Social shaming is a a big deal over there.

I hate to burst the We’ll-Get-China-Back bubble but this illustrates why they will continue with impunity.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/unive...sing-documents-detailing-their-ties-to-china/

That and the fact that they’re the main paypigs for the DNC.

They have infiltrated every major institution in the USA.

Similar to the Weimar in 1933. Infliltrated to such a degree that a very brutal purge was done to address it.

 

[FuckedUp]

Pretty soon I'll get to go to Louisiana to visit family members, we will get together to honor our relative who died. It has been a month and a half and I still can't fully accept they're gone and that COVID-19 was the cause. I know it was, but it feels very unlucky given all we've learned since then (that it likely has a much lower MR than initially feared). For a couple weeks I was fearful because of this, because this person was not over 65, not obese, and had no conditions that put them at higher risk. Just bad fucking luck.

I'm probably going to sound like a dick, but are you sure it wasn't one of the untold amount of deaths falsely attributed to COVID? From what you've said, it doesn't even sound like it satisfies Occam's Razor.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Pure anecdote: temperatures have gone up the last couple of days, hitting around 24°C today. People are complying with all the restrictions and crap, but i'm hearing a lot of arguments around where I live. Way more than normal. Lots of shouting inside houses or in the street, a couple of honest-to-god fist-fights (one kicked off because someone got pissy about their neighbour's bbq). Uncertainty about income and employment, the constant curtain-twitchers REEing at everyone who dares to try and relax or make the best of their situation, it's all wearing on people, and the heat is stewing it all into a frenzy.