The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

[Doctor of Autism]

"But this is the first set of episodes! They're supposed to introduce as many characters as possible as quickly as possible!"

Um.... no. You're supposed to introduce your main characters quickly (in this case, the Dunn family,) but your secondaries need a little more room to breathe, lest your audience get overwhelmed with seemingly pointless details. Strangely enough, the "Party Panic" book did this better. Spend one chapter at school with Kimiko, spend another chapter at city hall with Talula, spend another chapter with April in her house, it's a reasonable pace that never feels like you're getting too much information at once. But with the show, Episode 1 has a surprise party that attempts to introduce all of Sally and Max's friends in one scene, and Episode 2 attempts to introduce Robert and Autumn's entire class in one go. Yeah, these are all large groups of people that make sense to be together from the beginning, but a typical screenwriter would keep them as background characters and not give them any dialogue until they're significantly relevant to the story.

Mr. E, I get your inspiration, but this isn't "Danganronpa." None of your cast is at risk of being killed off at any moment (at least, I hope), so nobody's gonna be suspicious if a background character isn't introduced and fully fleshed out as soon as they're on screen.

Even with the Danganronpa inspiration, it at least just gives the mostly secondary characters simple introductions and has the benefit of having a set path. This is the fate of many battle royale stories or anything involving a competition, they do introduce various characters at first but make them simple in introduction as a sort of appetizer to make you interested in them to get more attached before they leave/die.

Enter does not understand this sort of storytelling doesn't work for all stories and he probably took inspiration from MLP because I remembered back in the day, a lot of the background characters people loved came from the very first episode so I assume Enter thinks introducing many background characters would instantly make them fan favorites among the fanbase.

Though speaking of his show, I'm going to be honest if you make many minor adjustments, the show is pretty much a ripoff of KND especially with many of the villains being older people or children with mature positions of power.

 

[Non-Threatening Niall]

Episode 1 has a surprise party that attempts to introduce all of Sally and Max's friends in one scene, and Episode 2 attempts to introduce Robert and Autumn's entire class in one go. Yeah, these are all large groups of people that make sense to be together from the beginning, but a typical screenwriter would keep them as background characters and not give them any dialogue until they're significantly relevant to the story.

Welp, guess at least he didn't introduce the adults in the school episode via roll call, then say something like "see, Chicken Little? I did it right"

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Enter does not understand this sort of storytelling doesn't work for all stories and he probably took inspiration from MLP because I remembered back in the day, a lot of the background characters people loved came from the very first episode so I assume Enter thinks introducing many background characters would instantly make them fan favorites among the fanbase.

"Derpy Hooves" started as a background gag some bored animator threw in just to see if anyone would notice. She was never the focus of a scripted joke until Episode 15, and she never had a speaking line until Episode 40. The producers never planned for such a minor character to get so popular, but when she did, they agreed to give her a little more time in the spotlight. A little more time. She still spent most of her life as background filler, they never stopped the plot to focus on her zany antics, and she only peeked into the foreground when her actions would be in direct support of the main cast. Episode 100 was a special exception to the rule (a farce of a story that answers the classic question of "What happens to our incompetent townspeople when the main characters aren't around to help them?"), but Enter seems to treat that one-off gag episode as "what every episode of Growing Around should be." And it got tiring ages ago.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

"Derpy Hooves" started as a background gag some bored animator threw in just to see if anyone would notice. She was never the focus of a scripted joke until Episode 15, and she never had a speaking line until Episode 40. The producers never planned for such a minor character to get so popular, but when she did, they agreed to give her a little more time in the spotlight. A little more time. She still spent most of her life as background filler, they never stopped the plot to focus on her zany antics, and she only peeked into the foreground when her actions would be in direct support of the main cast. Episode 100 was a special exception to the rule (a farce of a story that answers the classic question of "What happens to our incompetent townspeople when the main characters aren't around to help them?"), but Enter seems to treat that one-off gag episode as "what every episode of Growing Around should be." And it got tiring ages ago.

Enter considers that episode "genius":

Have you guys ever watched the Powerpuff Girls' episode "City of Clipsville"?

Because this episode is kind of like that. In a way, it's also kind of like the Steven Universe/Uncle Grandpa episode "Say Uncle."

This episode doesn't make any sense plot-wise, and is mostly nonsense. And that's what it's trying to be. Whether you like the episode or not probably depends on how well you get the joke. And personally, I find the joke and the episode brilliant.

If you don't know, the Powerpuff Girls' "City of Clipsville" made fun of Powerpuff Girls fanfiction where the PPG and the Rowdy Ruff Boys kept getting together because Craig McKracken was getting tired of all of it. I suspect that similar intentions are what sparked this episode. This episode wasn't made to be fan pandering. It was made to show the inherent ridiculousness of what the show would be like if it was fan pandering. It's kind of like a parody of Double Rainboom to be totally honest here.

It's a parody of fan pandering. I know this because it doesn't take itself seriously for a single moment, and the joke is on you if you try to take it seriously. I really laughed a lot at the meta ridiculousness of this episode. In fact, this episode does what the TTG go episode "Let's Get Serious" tries and fails to do because this episode truly gets what the show is, and what it's not. In fact, I think that I may end up comparing the two episodes together. It attacks the notion that "slice of life" needs to be boring or down-to-earth. It attacks the notion that every character needs to have a complex backstory or be a part of a huge character arc. It's no coincidence that one of the characters they decided to use is Steven Magnet, and that it's part of his "arc" to know about Cranky.

Honestly, this episode is genius, once again, if you get the joke. I'm the "story guy" here, and it's my favorite episode of season five so far, despite not really caring about any fan theories and the story of this episode to be borderline meaningless. As a parody, it understands everything perfectly, from starting from a place of seriousness to varying up the jokes wildly.

I'm actually really interested in seeing most people's reaction to this. Because when Powerpuff Girls did this kind of thing, people really liked the episode... not because it was making fun of something, but because it was actually doing the thing it was making fun of. And if you do like this episode because of the "fan pandering" there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you have some perspective here, and follow the real moral of the episode "don't take it too seriously."

A lot of people who try this don't really pull it off, or pull it off in the wrong way. For example, the Ren & Stimpy episode "Son of Stimpy" tried to attack forced heart-wrenching cartoon episodes... but ended up being heart-wrenching to most people. Actually, there are a lot of episodes I can compare this too. If you were confused by "why the hell are they doing this!?" then I'd recommend watching it again with full knowledge that it's a parody.

Source:

First Impressions - Slice of Life by MrEnter on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

 

[Master Shake]

Enter considers that episode "genius":


Source:

First Impressions - Slice of Life by MrEnter on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

Unrelated, but what the hell happened between 2015 and now that made Enter go from writing his thoughts in a semi-neat, coherent manner to typing the same way William Shatner talks?

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

Unrelated, but what the hell happened between 2015 and now that made Enter go from writing his thoughts in a semi-neat, coherent manner to typing the same way William Shatner talks?

Autism is a degenerative metabolic condition. Excess levels of copper and low levels of antioxidants result in premature brain shrinkage.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Unrelated, but what the hell happened between 2015 and now that made Enter go from writing his thoughts in a semi-neat, coherent manner to typing the same way William Shatner talks?

When an introvert spends seven years trying to sustain a career on social media with no significant changes to their routine or lifestyle (Hell, a stubborn refusal to change their routine or lifestyle,) decay is bound to happen eventually. All the autism does is accelerate that decay.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Unrelated, but what the hell happened between 2015 and now that made Enter go from writing his thoughts in a semi-neat, coherent manner to typing the same way William Shatner talks?

It's strange, because he's always... paused a bunch while actually speaking in his reviews. But it seems like his doing that in written form is more recent. Maybe he just decided at some point that his writing should match how he speaks for some reason?

Looking at other old journals such as this one, the pauses weren't there for a long time. It really does seem like he just woke up one day and decided to type like an idiot.

But, looking at that particular journal shows that his approach to storytelling has not changed over the years. In it, he goes through a list of episodes from cartoons that he thinks should be remade with MLP. As we know, his usual process for GA is just to take an episode from something else and do it "right". (Read: worse)

While working on Admirable Animation, I usually think of what these episodes would be like Friendship is Magic, so I decided to make a list (in no particular order). These are 20 episodes that have happened in various other cartoons that I'd like to see happen in Friendship is Magic because I think that that plot would resonate well with the setting and characters of Friendship is Magic. Yeah, a lot of them are Admirable Animations/AA Candidates, but a lot of them aren't. I didn't really create any rules for this, except the former.

1.) Last of the Starmakers (Courage the Cowardly Dog): No surprise that I'd want to see my favorite animation of all time done in Friendship is Magic. This would best be a Fluttershy episode. There's this mystical creature that's needed for some reason by Celestia. Fluttershy is naturally the one who is communicate with it. She learns that it's about to be a mother and cannot be disturbed. Unfortunately Celestia really wants/needs whatever that creature has, and in pretty much the opposite of every Fluttershy episode to date, Fluttershy stands up to other ponies for an animal instead of vice-versa. It could have a nice moral of when to obey authority.

2.) Tales of Ba Sing Se (Avatar: The Last Airbender): In this episode, a total of seven short stories are told. This would be a good place to tie in a few stories that were too short for their own episode, you know, kind of like the story of the Cutie Pox. We could have a story for all of the mane six, one for Spike, and one for the CMC. It doesn't need to have a tearjerker part, but something on that level. It would be like The Cutie Mark Chronicles, just without needing the stories to be tied together. It would also be interesting to give each of the writers a different one of the "Tales", so it would be a collab between pretty much the entire staff.

• Meghan McCarthy would write the Tale of Spike, as she's been proven to know her character inside and out.
• Amy Keating Rogers would write the Tale of Applejack. She gave us our best Applejack episodes, and best Applejack subplots.
• Dave Polsky would write the Tale of Pinkie Pie. He's a comedy guy, and with Too Many Pinkie Pies, I think he's figured her out.
• M. A. Larson would write the Tale of Twilight, since he's great a worldbuilding and Twilight's tale would most likely include that.
• Charlotte Fullerton would write the Tale of Rarity. I think that she could actually do it. She seems to know Rarity.
• Cindy Morrow would write the Tale of Fluttershy because that story is likely to have the most emotional depth.
• Merriweather Williams would write the Tale of Rainbow. After Wonderbolts Academy she seems to have learned how to write for Rainbow.
• Corey Powell would write the Tale of the CMC. She not only likes to do it, but she seems pretty good at it.

3.) The Powerpuff Girls' Best Rainy Day Ever (The Powerpuff Girls): In this episode, the Powerpuff Girls were forced to stay inside during a rainy day and let their imagination run loose. They imagined that they were saving the day in some pretty clever writing. I keep hearing that the CMC are expies of the PPG, and I can sort of see it. It would be interesting to have an episode of the CMC just letting their imaginations run wild because they got rained out.

4.) How Long is Forever? (Teen Titans): One character goes into the future and sees that their friendships have fallen apart. It's a no brainer to see how this plot could fit into a show about friendship. So, who should accidently go to the future? Rainbow Dash. It would probably be the most effective for the element of loyalty to see something like that. That, and she could probably end up flying fast enough that she could warp through time and space, kind of like Speed Demon from the Powerpuff Girls.

5.) Jack vs. Mad Jack (Samurai Jack): I'd love for one of the mane six to fight their evil clones. Maybe Twilight thinks that she's a lot more responsible than Pinkie, and decides to use the mirror pool. Her clone only has interest in learning about magic, and steals the Alicorn Amulet from Zecora. Then we have Twilight versus Evil Twilight. That would definitely be an interesting episode, although it delved a little bit from the actual episode.

6.) Tough Love (The Powerpuff Girls): This would have to be a two-parter, with an entirely new villain. Some demonic force curses the mane six and changes all the love for them into hatred. Considering that they've saved the land of Equestria on multiple occasions, that means that there's a lot of love/hate going around. I mean, think of the relationships that would be strained from this: Celestia & Twilight; Rainbow & Scootaloo; Applejack & her whole family; Rarity & Sweetie Belle; Twilight & Spike; Fluttershy & her animals; Pinkie Pie & the Cakes. It would rock their world.

7.) See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey (The Powerpuff Girls): Though I don't like this episode, I like the ideas behind it--both an entire 22 minutes of song, and an episode about freedom vs. security. I mean Twilight's always been a little paranoid, and so she starts violating the privacy of the citizens of Ponyville in order to ensure their safety. Of course, she starts going crazy at every little thing, and the citizens of Ponyville start getting fed up with it.

8.) Courage vs. Mecha Courage (Courage the Cowardly Dog): A robotic creature that can do everything better than someone who is already existing. Maybe Spike is a little too overbooked, so Twilight builds a golem. The problem is that the golem is too productive, and Spike ends up feeling useless. The harder he tries, the more the golem does. Yeah, it's similar to Owl's Well That Ends Well, but instead of feelings of jealousy, it would more address feelings of necessity.

9.) Operation P.O.O.L. (Codename: Kids Next Door): Through a pool is a world where everything is backwards. Everyone has a totally reversed personality. Here Twilight would be an idiot, Rainbow Dash would be a scholar, Fluttershy would probably run a zoo, Applejack would own a huge business and the CMC would be the bullies, Rarity would be poor, and Pinkie would be mayor. This is another one that would make a good two-parter, and it also makes a good "what-if scenario."

10.) Blooo (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends): Bloo gets the cold and everyone thinks that he's a ghost. It's a simple plot. Maybe Pinkie Pie makes herself look like a ghost and scares her friends as a prank. Wait, didn't we just do something similar to this in the latest episode? I've been working on this list since Tales of Ba Sing Se, so stuff like this is bound to happen. Although, I suppose this request is for something like this to be done on purpose.

11.) Baby Doll (Batman: The Animated Series): A character who can never grow up due to some strange condition. It would be really interesting to see that type of character cross the CMC. Their constant pining to get their cutie marks and grow up irritating someone who physically can't do that would probably drive them crazy. And in a world with magic this is more than a possibility.

12.) Bye Bye Butterfree (Pokemon): They say if you love someone, you've got to let them go. The sheer emotion of losing your animal friend is harsh, no matter what the circumstances. So Fluttershy, please let Angel go on his migration pattern and keep him out of the series from now on.

13.) Jack Tales/Aku's Fairy Tales (Samurai Jack): This is an episode where the title character tells a bunch of fairy tales. Let's have Pinkie Pie tell a few stories to the CMC, and have them be just off the wall. To add bonus points, maybe it should be when they're asking her something serious.

14.) Pigeon Man (Hey Arnold!): A recluse learns that some people can be trusted, someone who only used to trust his animals. Hey, that sounds kind of like Fluttershy. Actually, she's come a long way since she was that person. Maybe she can help along someone who is like that. They say that Wonderbolts Academy was Season 3 Dash looking back on Season 1 Dash. Have an episode where Season 3-4 Fluttershy looks back on Season 1 Fluttershy.

15.) Muted Muriel (Courage the Cowardly Dog): In this episode Muriel thought that her words weren't given the attention that they deserved, so she decided to stop talking altogether. How about an episode where Fluttershy decides that. Since she says so little, whoever caused her to do so would probably laugh at the thought. Over time they would realize that her words actually do have importance, especially her words of reassurance and kindness.

16.) Ned Frichman: Man of Tomorrow (Dave the Barbarian): A man comes from the distant future and starts introducing modern technology to the past. A pony comes from the distant future and starts giving technology, or powerful magic that the present day Equestrians aren't ready for yet. Of course the plot would have to change from extremely silly to slightly serious.

17.) The Man Who Killed Batman (Batman: The Animated Series): You knew how the villains acted when it looked like someone killed their rival? How would the mane six act when it looked like someone killed one of their friends. I understand that this is a little too mature and severe to go on this show, but hey, this is what wishlists are for, and there are a lot of fanfiction writers out there who can use any of these ideas. You have Rainbow Dash be the one who had disappeared, and it would be almost like a reverse Mysterious Mare Do Well.

18.) A Formula for Hate (Captain Planet): Speaking of mature episodes. No, I don't wish/want the show to talk about AIDS. At least not directly. I once said that you could put anything in a kid's show, if you're using enough layers of symbolism and metaphor. Hey Arnold! did this a lot, doing an episode about Drug Addiction (Chocolate Boy's chocolate addiction). Doing an episode like Helga on the Couch, or The Mask is to me the milestone where a series has reached it's full maturity. That being said, Captain Planet botched this one up because it was Captain Planet and Captain Planet wasn't a good show.

19.) Bart Gets an F (The Simpsons): Hurricane Fluttershy sort of taught that even if you try your hardest, you could still fail. It wasn't the point of the episode, but it's a very good moral that could probably sustain an entire episode. With an adult mane six, you could definitely have it relate to more adult problems. Applejack wants to buy a present for Applebloom's birthday, but it's far too expensive. She tries to get extra money, but fails. Applebloom would probably be touched when she learned of all of the effort that Applejack went through.

20.) A Fistful of Ed (Ed, Edd, N Eddy): When Edd accidently knocks out Kevin, he's seen as a hero. He accidently starts hurting others, he's seen as a bully. One of the CMC (probably Sweetie Belle, the most humorous of the possibilities), accidently defends herself during Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon's bullying tirade. She becomes a hero, gets cocky, and accidently harms one of her friends (maybe because someone asked her to), and suddenly she's the bully.

So, do you think that these episodes would make good Friendship is Magic stories? Or at least interesting episodes? Any ones that I might of missed?

 

[Wabbu]

Has anyone tallyed it up how many GA scripts feature crossdressing?

 

[LiquidKid]

"Derpy Hooves" started as a background gag some bored animator threw in just to see if anyone would notice. She was never the focus of a scripted joke until Episode 15, and she never had a speaking line until Episode 40. The producers never planned for such a minor character to get so popular, but when she did, they agreed to give her a little more time in the spotlight. A little more time. She still spent most of her life as background filler, they never stopped the plot to focus on her zany antics, and she only peeked into the foreground when her actions would be in direct support of the main cast. Episode 100 was a special exception to the rule (a farce of a story that answers the classic question of "What happens to our incompetent townspeople when the main characters aren't around to help them?"), but Enter seems to treat that one-off gag episode as "what every episode of Growing Around should be." And it got tiring ages ago.

It’s possible to have a massive supporting cast and have them all be get regular spotlight and grow as characters themselves, but it’s a very complex balance that takes a lot of technical skill. For one, they need to be trickled in over time. The Simpsons is a fantastic example because it has a massive reoccurring cast of background characters that are almost all beloved, but think of how little you see of them. Barney was initially the foil to Moe’s straightman, and they only showed up whenever Homer was in the bar, often being used as a transition via Bart’s prank calls. They later grew more and more complex over years of appearances and, but they didn’t start out taking up a majority of the episode.
Hell, look at Disco Stu. He exists solely for a single gag in one episodes, and eventually grew into an established character with his own backstory and motivations. But that took years and years. John wants to do this from episode one and just have everyone care about every character like it’s the Red Chamber or something

 

[Non-Threatening Niall]

Hell, look at Disco Stu. He exists solely for a single gag in one episodes, and eventually grew into an established character with his own backstory and motivations. But that took years and years. John wants to do this from episode one and just have everyone care about every character like it’s the Red Chamber or something

While it's already hard to care if he doesn't allow himself time to give any compelling reason why the audience should, it's sort of pointless to get invested anyway when the show itself is so unfocused that characters and storylines get neglected for fuck knows how long in favour of genderspecial background assets 32 to 246's own special day-in-the-limelight episodes.

If the pilot boils down to Max being an uptight workaholic who's afraid of growing older and losing his business, with his sister and the supporting cast trying to teach him to chill and coming to terms with age or whatever, I assume that's who I'm supposed to root for and that's the story I want to see unfolding. Instead, the very next episode features little more than cameos of the supposed leads, and introduces a brand new cast and story, with no regards for explaining how it articulates with what we've just seen beyond "remember X from last episode? Y and Z are his parents!"
Meanwhile, whenever Max shows up again, the only thing he seems to come to terms with is his penchant for frills.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

If the pilot boils down to Max being an uptight workaholic who's afraid of growing older and losing his business, with his sister and the supporting cast trying to teach him to chill and coming to terms with age or whatever, I assume that's who I'm supposed to root for and that's the story I want to see unfolding. Instead, the very next episode features little more than cameos of the supposed leads, and introduces a brand new cast and story, with no regards for explaining how it articulates with what we've just seen beyond "remember X from last episode? Y and Z are his parents!"
Meanwhile, whenever Max shows up again, the only thing he seems to come to terms with is his penchant for frills.

But even that episodic dissonance can work with a little balance. One episode focuses on the kids, the next episode focuses on the parents, the next goes back to the kids, next goes back to the parents and so on. Establish a pattern and stick to it. I'm thinking back to "Animaniacs," where the first half of any episode is spent with the Warners and only the second half is on an "Everyone is game" randomizer. If a variety show can stick to that kind of formula, then serialized has no excuse.

 

[Sir Wesley Tailpipe]

It’s possible to have a massive supporting cast and have them all be get regular spotlight and grow as characters themselves, but it’s a very complex balance that takes a lot of technical skill. For one, they need to be trickled in over time. The Simpsons is a fantastic example because it has a massive reoccurring cast of background characters that are almost all beloved, but think of how little you see of them. Barney was initially the foil to Moe’s straightman, and they only showed up whenever Homer was in the bar, often being used as a transition via Bart’s prank calls. They later grew more and more complex over years of appearances and, but they didn’t start out taking up a majority of the episode.
Hell, look at Disco Stu. He exists solely for a single gag in one episodes, and eventually grew into an established character with his own backstory and motivations. But that took years and years. John wants to do this from episode one and just have everyone care about every character like it’s the Red Chamber or something

Disco Stu being developed as a character was the final sign that The Simpsons had completely turned to shit.

 

[Bread Fetishist]

Could be the case. I'd have to watch more of Star's reviews to see how well his thoughts line up with Enter's but after seeing the one where he says Johnny Test is better than Dexter's Lab, I'm not touching those with a 10 foot pole. Honestly Star seems like a massive ticking time bomb. Depressed, suicidal, trans, dangerously autistic, odd outbursts about pedophilia to the point of accusing Dexter's Lab writers of being pedos. I wouldn't want someone like that working under me in any capacity.

Excuse me, what the fuck!?

Also, he works with Enter, he has no right to make such moronic accusations. But out of curiosity, could you link the video where he says this?

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Excuse me, what the fuck!?

Also, he works with Enter, he has no right to make such moronic accusations. But out of curiosity, could you link the video where he says this?

I'm only five minutes in, but it already looks like retroactive hate. You can only spend so much time complaining about new shows for having asshole protagonists before realizing "Holy shit, the old shows had asshole protagonists too!" But whereas Mr. Enter comes up with flimsy excuses for why those jerks are okay, Star Giant goes straight into blind rage and "Why did I ever enjoy this as a kid?"

By the way, protip: If you can't understand why you liked certain shows as a child, then you have no business writing cartoons for children. How do you expect to appeal to a child audience if you don't know how to appeal to your own inner child?

 

[LiquidKid]

Disco Stu being developed as a character was the final sign that The Simpsons had completely turned to shit.

You’re not wrong, that’s why it’s an in-joke among fans to claim that he’s the best character. But that’s still technically the proper way to make a background character more depth.

Spoiler: Brief Disco Stu Explanation

For those who have no idea, in the previous scene Homer shows Marge the jacket and when she asks who Disco Stu is, he claims “I was trying to write disco stud but I ran out of room.” This was literally the only purpose for Stu, to be a one off.

his main gimmick is saying his name dramatically and talking about disco. He’s definitely a character that should have remained a one off gag.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

But even that episodic dissonance can work with a little balance. One episode focuses on the kids, the next episode focuses on the parents, the next goes back to the kids, next goes back to the parents and so on. Establish a pattern and stick to it. I'm thinking back to "Animaniacs," where the first half of any episode is spent with the Warners and only the second half is on an "Everyone is game" randomizer. If a variety show can stick to that kind of formula, then serialized has no excuse.

While Growing Around was already dead in the water long before this particular decision, I think that one of the largest nails that Enter unceremoniously drove into its coffin was the choice to make every single episode half an hour long.

None of these episodes have plots in them that use the extra allotted time even remotely well, and going back to 11-minute shorts would also effectively halve the workload needed to get one fully released, not that that has a chance of ever happening anyway at this point.

 

[Sir Wesley Tailpipe]

You’re not wrong, that’s why it’s an in-joke among fans to claim that he’s the best character. But that’s still technically the proper way to make a background character more depth.

Spoiler: Brief Disco Stu Explanation

For those who have no idea, in the previous scene Homer shows Marge the jacket and when she asks who Disco Stu is, he claims “I was trying to write disco stud but I ran out of room.” This was literally the only purpose for Stu, to be a one off.

his main gimmick is saying his name dramatically and talking about disco. He’s definitely a character that should have remained a one off gag.

The only good use of Disco Stu aside from the one-off at the garage sale was his appearance in the episode where they did Homer’s Odyssey, where he appeared as Discus Stu and made disturbing advances on Bart.
he really should never have been seen again, but that sort of thing is what happens when the original writers leave and get replaced by fanboys who cargo cult a show into a mockery of itself.

 

[LiquidKid]

The only good use of Disco Stu aside from the one-off at the garage sale was his appearance in the episode where they did Homer’s Odyssey, where he appeared as Discus Stu and made disturbing advances on Bart.
he really should never have been seen again, but that sort of th8ng is what happens when the original writers leave and get replaced by fanboys who cargo cult a show into a mockery of itself.

Disco Shrew can still boogaloo was a decent enough pun I guess. But there’s very little redeeming qualities to his existence

 

[tamago]

If the pilot boils down to Max being an uptight workaholic who's afraid of growing older and losing his business, with his sister and the supporting cast trying to teach him to chill and coming to terms with age or whatever

This doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't you be freaking out at the fact that you're one more year closer to being put in the camps where they force you to be exceptional through mind-rape? How do you tell someone to chill out about that anyways.
"Dude I know you're freaking out about losing your rights for the rest of your life but look on the bright side, you can wear this pretty dress!"