US Donald Trump Says U.S. Won’t Close Economy Again, Even If There’s A Second Wave Of Coronavirus - GDP is supreme

https://deadline.com/2020/05/donald-trump-says-u-s-wont-close-again-second-wave-coronavirus-1202941173/

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President Donald Trump on Thursday said “we are not closing our country” if the U.S. is hit by a second wave of COVID-19.

His comments come on the same day that the United States reported another 2.4 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week That brings the total of new unemployment claims to more than 38 million in nine weeks..

In reference to states like California which have not reopened as quickly as others Trump said, “I don’t think the people are going to stand for it.” Yet Texas, North Carolina and Arizona have reported spiking numbers of cases as they’ve moved into reopening.

“People say that’s a very distinct possibility, it’s standard,” Trump said when asked about a second wave.
In a worst-case scenario, the infection curve of COVID-19 could mimic the most deadly pandemic in American history, the Spanish Flu.

More people died during that 1918 pandemic than the total number of military and civilian deaths that resulted from World War I and, according to the CDC, the second wave in the fall was responsible for most of the U.S. deaths attributed to that outbreak.

The president made his comments during a tour of a Ford factory in Michigan which has been converted to produce ventilators.

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anothony Fauci testified last week before Congress about a second wave.

“I hope that if we do have the threat of a second wave we will be able to deal with it very effectively to prevent it from becoming an outbreak not only worse than now but much, much less,” Fauci said.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield said last month that battling the virus in the fall could be “more difficult and potentially more complicated because we would have flu and coronavirus circulating at the same time.”

But Trump on Thursday remained confident in the country’s ability to deal with a resurgence.

“We are going to put out the fires. We’re not going to close the country,” Trump said. “We can put out the fires. Whether it is an ember or a flame, we are going to put it out. But we are not closing our country.”

Trump appeared at the Ford factory without a mask on Thursday, despite requirements at the facility that everyone wear PPE. The president said that he had taken his mask and eye shields off to speak with the media.
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Just because the US doesn't want to be shutdown, doesn't mean foreign countries will go with it too. The situation is dynamic and you should be shutdown if it's a problem or other countries near by are having problems. Why is shutting it down never an option again?

 

[Troutsmacked]

Is there any evidence that shutting everything down has actually accomplished anything good? The entire time this quarantine has been in place all I've heard the news screaming at me every other hour is "20 THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE ARE INFECTED 4 THOUSAND MORE ARE DEAD!!!!"

 

[Xerxes IX]

Remember when the reason given for shutdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed by an enormous initial spike, and not to keep any deaths from happening by closing everything until there's a vaccine?

It worked so well that in places that don't have a lot of cases, healthcare workers are losing their jobs because nobody is going to the hospital!

Seriously. At that point policymakers should have seen that and recalibrated. Even if you fear the deadly second wave hospitals losing staff won't help.

The irony of this situation is that the pro-shutdown people are also the anti-big business eat the rich types. The shutdown doesn't hurt the big guys, they're just fine. It only hurts the little guy. Driving the little guy out of business only insures the big guy can maintain and grow their monopoly. Destroying jobs at those small businesses and in certain industries will mean more people will be forced to take a $10/hour Walmart job to survive. How many people do you think will lose employer provided healthcare because of this? How many people do you think will stop being able to afford their own insurance premiums? How many people will kill themselves because their lives have been destroyed? The impact the shutdown has on health and life will be greater than what the virus has done. Trump was 100% correct when he said the cure will be worse than the virus.

I cannot believe that "fuck the economy stay home forever" is somehow a left wing position. That benefits monopolies, the biggest companies win because they get bled out the least. If everything is shut down until a vaccine develops the only things left standing will be the huge corporations. Jeff Bezos is a trillionaire now ffs but nobody talks about how that directly shows us that with the shutdowns the rich get richer and everyone else gets fucked (which is something people were saying would be the only thing reopening the economy would achieve). People are only saying eat the rich or that we should redistribute his money so everyone can get more checks to stay home forever. I know there are the economic doomers who will just say inequality was already terrible without the economy getting fucked but I can't get behind hurting so many people now for a maybe that the Gay Space Communism Utopia will come about because of our hardships.

 

[Shield Breaker]

home forever" is somehow a left wing position

They’re Democrats, not left-wing. They only care about spiting everyone else at this point.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

People promoting lockdown don't seem to understand that any more lockdown would mean economic catastrophe unseen in a century.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Just give me another stimulus pls

 

[frozenrunner]

People promoting lockdown don't seem to understand that any more lockdown would mean economic catastrophe unseen in a century.

Like I've posted before, we're talking about people so uneducated they see the inner workings of economies as an indecipherable black box and, essentially, believe in monetary magic. "We put the charges on the credit card before, and nothing bad happened, so nothing bad will happen if we keep doing it."

In fact, that's being too generous to them. They think (to the degree that have coherent thoughts on the matter) that, because money is an abstraction of value, it's "not real" and that everything happening on Wall Street and in banks is a superfluous, middle man confidence trick helping to steal from and keep the proletariat down.

And they know they're scared and that the authority figures have promised they're going to keep them safe. That's about it. If they weren't so fucking self-righteous about their ignorance and fear they would almost be pitiable.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

Trump doesn't give a shit about human lives? Almost like he's a horrible human being that puts economy over the people.

Or it's almost like you don't understand having a depression and a pandemic is a recipe for making a pandemic 1000x worse than it would be if things were already open, you uncultured dipshit.

That's not true (except in rare isolated cases). CMS audits the shit out of that and would cut their medicare funding.

Bruh, look at this video. I don't even think it's politically motivated. I just think the people that run hospitals are greedy cunts that misreport this shit to get more federal money for them to embezzle or misuse however they want.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Bruh, look at this video. I don't even think it's politically motivated. I just think the people that run hospitals are greedy cunts that misreport this shit to get more federal money for them to embezzle or misuse however they want.
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That'd be all well and good but Covid tests are not the easiest to get and are not all that accurate. So they can't rely on it for every patient. If they put the cause of death as just "pneumonia", then Covid deaths will be vastly underreported. The guy quoted is a Republican state senator and Trump supporter, so he's about as reliable as CNN

People promoting lockdown don't seem to understand that any more lockdown would mean economic catastrophe unseen in a century.

So would having 1-2% of your population die to a virus. The economy can recover, but dead people stay dead. Reopening isn't going to be some magic bullet, either. People are still going to avoid going out

 

[FuckedUp]

People are still going to avoid going out

So why are people currently flouting legal orders to stay inside en masse?

 

[Tour of Italy]

"Fuck the economy, people's lives are more important!"

The economy IS people's lives, you fucking exceptional individuals.

Everyone’s job is “essential” to them and their families.

Like what the fuck is wrong with people if you’re worried just stay home why do you need daddy to tell everyone going out is a no-no.

So would having 1-2% of your population die to a virus. The economy can recover, but dead people stay dead. Reopening isn't going to be some magic bullet, either. People are still going to avoid going out

Depressions kill people too. That’s part of the equation and it always has been. There’s a false dichotomy that this is a choice between compassion and cruelty where in reality there’s a lot more at stake.

It’s not cruel to want to prevent a scenario where people die from starvation and violent desperate crime. Especially when you’re looking outside the US at places downstream from our industry and agriculture. I lived in Central America during the housing crunch; there’s a difference between how the first and third worlds handle economic downturn. In one place it means you cut down on luxury spending and manage your investments better. In the other it means you’re scraping old tortillas off the fucking pavement.

So quit pretending the people who want to reopen are callous.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

So why are people currently flouting legal orders to stay inside en masse?

There aren't all that many people doing that. There are some idiots that are, but in general, people are still staying in. All that reopening does is means people that want to isolate can't file for unemployment. In a few months when the virus comes back, it's going to be all this shit over again ( and I am going to laugh at the Trumpers that will end up blaming the Democrats or scientists for it)

 

[Zero Day Defense]

That'd be all well and good but Covid tests are not the easiest to get and are not all that accurate. So they can't rely on it for every patient. If they put the cause of death as just "pneumonia", then Covid deaths will be vastly underreported. The guy quoted is a Republican state senator and Trump supporter, so he's about as reliable as CNN

You're literally rattling off every defense without consideration of their narrative compatibility.

COVID tests aren't easy to get (even if we're conducting thousands of tests daily at this point).

Therefore, sometimes we have to assume that someone has COVID (even though there's no common and significant distinguishing factor between COVID and pneumonia outside of ferocity). At least, that's what it sounds like when you talk about inaccessibility of tests leading to a need to not rely on it-- it kind of seems like you're dancing around the reality that they sometimes miscount cases as COVID despite not having a good way to differentiate.

If you count a pneumonia death as COVID, then COVID is that much more overreported, and we suffer similar planning issues in that our plans going forward, on every level of society, are misguided.

You already argued for overreporting, you don't get to use ad hominem.

There aren't all that many people doing that. There are some idiots that are, but in general, people are still staying in.

Some people are staying in, some people are going out. Some people are outright having protests. What's your point?

All that reopening does is means people that want to isolate can't file for unemployment.

So we should keep closed for the sake of people filing for unemployment and speed towards a depression? How long should we keep that up for, because last I checked, we've reached Great Depression levels of unemployment.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Is there any evidence that shutting everything down has actually accomplished anything good? The entire time this quarantine has been in place all I've heard the news screaming at me every other hour is "20 THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE ARE INFECTED 4 THOUSAND MORE ARE DEAD!!!!"

Yes. Look at Italy before and after lockdown. Look at other countries. Look at Brazil for an example of not locking down

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

So would having 1-2% of your population die to a virus. The economy can recover, but dead people stay dead. Reopening isn't going to be some magic bullet, either. People are still going to avoid going out

Uh huh. Are you saying that to save 1-2% of population, we must sacrifice the well being and safety of everyone else?

That's pretty selfish of you.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You're literally rattling off every defense without consideration of their narrative compatibility.



COVID tests aren't easy to get (even if we're conducting thousands of tests daily at this point).



Therefore, sometimes we have to assume that someone has COVID (even though there's no common and significant distinguishing factor between COVID and pneumonia outside of ferocity). At least, that's what it sounds like when you talk about inaccessibility of tests leading to a need to not rely on it-- it kind of seems like you're dancing around the reality that they sometimes miscount cases as COVID despite not having a good way to differentiate.



If you count a pneumonia death as COVID, then COVID is that much more overreported, and we suffer similar planning issues in that our plans going forward, on every level of society, are misguided.



You already argued for overreporting, you don't get to use ad hominem.

Yes, they are doing thousands daily. However, last time I checked, there are 360 million people in the US. Thousands isn't much. I get it, you want the numbers to be underreported because it makes Lord Trump look better, but with a lack of viable testing, they can't always confirm it. You need to trust doctors on this one.

So we should keep closed for the sake of people filing for unemployment and speed towards a depression? How long should we keep that up for, because last I checked, we've reached Great Depression levels of unemployment.

I don't know the answer to it. But we are now seeing cases rise every day (they were declining but are rising again now with the lockdowns ending). My answer would be a partial reopening (like 50% capacity or whatever), based on scientists input (and not Cletus's). Do you know what else fucks up the economy? Losing 1-2% of the population.

Uh huh. Are you saying that to save 1-2% of population, we must sacrifice the well being and safety of everyone else?

That's pretty selfish of you.

Are you willing to be one of those 1-2%, or have it be your parents, that die for the economy?

 

[frozenrunner]

Are you willing to be one of those 1-2%, or have it be your parents, that die for the economy?

What if he says yes? Are you going to tell him you're his parent and he can't make that choice, so just shelter in place for two years and hope there's food to eat tomorrow and non-inflated funbux coming his way every month?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What if he says yes? Are you going to tell him you're his parent and he can't make that choice, so just shelter in place for two years and hope there's food to eat tomorrow and non-inflated funbux coming his way every month?

Then he would at least have my respect. But most people I have asked that to responded with "it wont be me!" or "Don't you dare bring my family into it!"

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

Are you willing to be one of those 1-2%, or have it be your parents, that die for the economy?

People die you, you stupid moron. Life isn't perfect. I am prepared for sacrifice. I am also taking extreme precaution. That's just me. If there is a will there is a way. Lockdown is not the way.

Grow some balls, Negron.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

People die you, you stupid moron. Life isn't perfect. I am prepared for sacrifice. I am also taking extreme precaution. That's just me. If there is a will there is a way. Lockdown is not the way.

Grow some balls, Negron.

Sorry I am not an autistic edgelord like you, but I value human life. You only get one life to live.

I hope you stay safe

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

Sorry I am not an autistic edgelord like you, but I value human life. You only get one life to live.

Uh huh. What better way to live and die for a cause greater than themselves instead of succumbing to narccistic rambling about how precious their lives are.