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Disheveled Human said:
I do not understand how society will collapse the virus has not killed enough people for that to happen. I'll literally work for food if I need to survive. It would be super difficult to starve if worst comes to worst the government would allocate resources to food production. I would work to feed my countrymen the virus isn't killing many people so it would draw a lot of people like myself who would do it. You can sit at home plenty of people would pick up the slack so we don't all die of starvation its not like food is finite.
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Trump shutting down the ZOMG MEAT PRODUCTION HAS HALTED MEAT SHORTAGE in like 5 seconds made me a lot less doomer about the food supply.
 
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ShirleyUJest said:
"Find the original scientific paper linking HIV to AIDS. PRO TIP: it doesn't exist "

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This is only because gift givers, bug chasers and their vile globohomo allies are doing gamage control - as evidenced by renaming GRID to AIDS in the first place.
 
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Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0 said:
Trump shutting down the ZOMG MEAT PRODUCTION HAS HALTED MEAT SHORTAGE in like 5 seconds made me a lot less doomer about the food supply.
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True. Trump did act decisively but the meat shortage continues. Hopefully gets better soon so we don’t end up in a The Road scenario.

I was referring to economic collapse, the collapse of the food logistics chain may take longer.

Reopening sooner than later would help but we may go deeper into the pit unless the root cause is addressed: government being able to lock up the economy. If no countermeasures are put in place, the uncertainty will finish the job. This shit they pulled brought all of the West down to Venezuela level dictatorship.

No government is really smart enough to handle this power. It’s worse because the followed a corrupt organization’s lead.

The legal blowback upon the State governors should be painful enough that they don’t do this irrational stunt ever again.

Hope it happens this way. For all our sakes.
 
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JosephStalin said:
Check it out. Hope this happens.

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Governor Whitmer has a couple groups getting ready for a recall campaign, but no one's officially collecting signatures yet, to my knowledge.
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A recall would require about 1,062,646 signatures within 60 days, and then there would be a vote at the next general election.
 
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One Bitchuter posted that meme on Styx's newest vlog about Corona-chan.
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Sekirodiealot said:
I hope we don't devolve into a tlou esque world. All it's missing is mushroom zombies
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I fucking hope not, Zombie bullshit is such boring Garbage, if the human race ends like that I will be very angry and would want to see God to lodge a complaint.
 
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nya001 said:
I disagree :-) IgM (+) means you went through the infection and IgG (-) means it's not recent, like you say, but it doesn't mean someone is immune. We don't know that yet. Think about the cold, the flu, people can get it twice.

Here is a paper about dengue (also viral):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22534985/
and here the WHO explains why IgM(+) doesn't mean (yet) someone is immune:
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the presence of IgM means you’re very likely either immune or have a degree of immunity that’s enough to vastly reduce severity.
Dengue (bastard, bastard dengue) has several subtypes - so immunity to one doesn’t convey immunity to others and there’s the immune enhancement issue as well but once you’re immune to one strain of dengue you don’t get that strain again.
Ditto flu - flu reassorts and mutates in a very specific way (which I bored on about earlier) so once you’ve had that specific strain of the flu you aren’t getting it again, or if you do, it’s going to be so mild you barely notice. That doesn’t mean you won’t get flu again because flu has many strains. But if you get one you’re immune to that one (and have some immunity to similar strains.)
As for ‘colds’ there are multiple viruses with multiple strains that cause them - so immunity to one isn’t immunity to all, but you won’t get the same cold again any time soon.

the WHO are hugely pushing this idea that no one will ever be immune and I think that’s political. Viruses that cause mild infection of mucosal surfaces often don’t create a big response and Coronaviruses (the mild ones) don’t always create a long lasting one. BUT (and it’s a big but) SARS 1.0 did create longer lasting immunity and it seems that the sicker you were, the deeper into lung tissue it got, the higher and more long lasting the immunity was.
Which is good, because I think what will happen is that the people who weren’t severely ill. Probably had another degree of immunity somehow and they will still have that, whereas the people who got very sick will have decent immunity. Immunity doesn’t always mean ‘total.’ It can be partial - for example a chickenpox shot isn’t 100% in everyone, but almost no one who has had one gets severely ill. Here you do still see kids and adults with horrendously bad pox.

Anyway, in short, if you see a recently cleared infection and no IgG and IgM, you’re not unreasonable to assume the person has a degree of immunity.
 
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Here is the Associated Press being stupid:

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Death and denial in Brazil’s Amazon capital

MANAUS, Brazil (AP) — As the white van approached Perfect Love Street, one by one chatting neighbors fell silent, covered their mouths and noses and scattered. Men in full body suits carried...
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title "Death and Denial in Brazil's Amazon Capital"

I just read the beginning and when I read this I stopped:

" “It wasn’t COVID,” Silva’s daughter, Eliete das Graças insisted to the funerary workers. She swore her 83-year-old father had died of Alzheimer’s disease, not that sickness ravaging the city’s hospitals.

But Silva, like the vast majority of those dying at home, was never tested for the new coronavirus. The doctor who signed his death certificate never saw his body before determining the cause: “cardiorespiratory arrest.”

His death was not counted as one of Brazil’s victims of the pandemic."

a) I doubt the doctor didn't see the body as at least people make sure the patient is dead. Anything is possible but generally people don't sign a death certificate without making sure someone is dead, but let's go on

b) well, geniuses of the Associated Press, she said he died from Alzheimer's because maybe it actually happened. Isn't that possible? Additionally look oh geniuses, already in 1994 people knew the most common cause of death associated with Alzheimer is pneumonia:


here too in this not-for-doctors article but it's a good summary:


People with advanced Alzheimer's die quickly, it's the reality

c) "cardiorespiratory arrest" oh my geniuses is because unless people fell from a window or had a very obvious other cause of death, a doctor who is not holding an inquest and somebody who is very sick and old dies and they need to be buried etc. you always write "cardiopulmonary arrest" because it's not wrong. The heart stopped. The lungs too. Then the patient died. Did they want the doctor to have a full autopsy and test for everything on somebody who "just" died? Sometimes doctors are on call and have 100 patients, should they drop everything and mobilise labs, call pathologists etc. because somebody with Alzheimer's died naturally?

d) "his death was not counted as one of Brazil's victims of the pandemic" - well, oh enlightened ones, maybe because he wasn't? He was 83 y.o. and had Alzheimer's, what do you want? because we can go all the way and say "cause of death: lack of progress in science, failure to discovery a cause for AD".

Did the AP journalists perform a full autopsy in the patient? Are they experienced neurologists who can say the patient's AD alone wasn't enough to cause death? Where do they get their ideas from?

Either the Associated Press is trolling people or they are very, very stupid.

Or very clever as people will just repeat what they read and not think.

Oh wait let me check one thing... the governor of the State of Amazonas is apparently quite right-wing and his party supported Bolsonaro in the elections. Oh ok, seems a good enough reason for the AP to write everyone is dying from this virus in the Amazon :-D
 
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Spain news time? For now, not many. The circus about that court case and the civil guard is going on so that's got all the politicians distracted. As for the stocks. Spain's still rising but as expected large parts of europe have surpassed it. Greece is also still doing fine. Surprise comes from Germany which is stuck near the bottom, though still green. Seems the Tactical Eurobeat today favors Belgium and Poland who are rising like crazy. UK is recovering too so good news there and sadly Malta is still stuck on the red. Not so sadly Netherlands is also going red. Fuck them. Overall, this is far more typical for stocks and not as funny. But it is still great news and I am glad recovery for most of europe seems V shaped. My predictions of rebuilding seem to be coming true. We'll get out of this one boyeos!

ShirleyUJest said:
"Find the original scientific paper linking HIV to AIDS. PRO TIP: it doesn't exist "

Find the

....original....

scientific paper linking HIV to AIDS. PRO TIP: it doesn't exist

Find the original
Find the original
Find the original

PRO TIP: it doesn't exist
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THAT'S NOT HOW THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD WORKS YOU UTTER MONGOLOID! I actually already linked you an explanation of the entire sodding timeline quoting which advances were made by each scientific study. But I'll add it again:
Because I know damned well you didn't even look at it as its first fucking paragraph is:
"Progress in scientific research rarely follows a straight path. Generally, it entails many unexpected meanderings, with a mix of good and bad ideas, good and bad luck. The discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) as the cause of AIDS did not avoid this pattern."

In science we actually check every single available hypothesis to see which is the one that most accurately depicts the truth and only tentatively accept the results while seeking for corroboration from independent sources. There NEVER is a single "original paper", you fucking lunatic. Fuck off with that bullshit.

Too Many Catgirls said:
TWO WEEKS.
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The "Two weeks" thing comes from the statistical model. Two weeks is usually what takes to see impact of the outbreaks. Which is why originally spanish deescalation followed an initial 2 week period followed by reviews every week afterwards. Of course these idiots should take into consideration if they don't actually review the impact every week the 2 weeks period doesn't actually fucking apply. Much like the prior mong, science doesn't work this way. God american lefties are infuriating.
 
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The explanation is "the Swedish strategy is 'we can't, it's not possible, we don't want to, it's too complicated, and mistakes can always be blamed on somebody else'" http://archive.is/wip/geXEu
Investigator on why fewer are tested for covid-19: Unclear who is responsible

Despite the government's goal of testing more for covid-19, the number of tests conducted last week fell.

One explanation behind the problems with the tests is the division of responsibilities, says test coordinator Harriet Wallberg.

"It's a reason it's been slow," she says.

Last Wednesday, Lena Hallengren (S) called for another press conference. The message was clear: Now Sweden must increase the number of tests. It was the same message as at several other press meetings, yet the number was still far from the promised 100,000 a week. Now patients who are not cared for in hospitals would also be tested, as would staff with so-called socially important professions.

According to the government, the purpose behind an increased number of tests is to reduce the spread of infection, but also to enable more people to return to work if they test negative and to get a picture of the spread.

But, on Tuesday morning, the news came that the number of tests had dropped last week - from 32,700 the week before to 28,800.

Harriet Wallberg is a professor at the Karolinska Institute and on May 8 was commissioned by the government to coordinate the Swedish testing. She sees several explanations for the lower figure.

- It was a short week when many were vacant on Thursday and Friday so you didn't have to go to work. Another explanation may be that the morbidity goes down in Sweden. The needs are not as great now as they were at the end of April when the number of 100,000 a week went out.

At the same time, Lena Hallengren and the government want the tests to be extended, but you do not sound so worried?

- Well, misinterpret me right. Sweden has chosen a strategy where one does not test widely and it is the Public Health Authority that has chosen that strategy, she says.

Lena Hallengren criticizes the regions for being slow and medical personnel in Stockolm have said in SVT's "Weekend Studio" that they do not have sufficient access to test equipment. What is your image?

- Test capacity is available. If you count how many tests can be done in the lab, the capacity goes far beyond those tested today.

It is the logistics of the tests that turn into bottlenecks, Wallberg believes, and point to problems with digital systems for referrals and test answers and that both test kits and staff must be in place.

Who is responsible for conducting the tests?

- It's the regions. We have municipal autonomy in Sweden with 21 regions. Then, the Public Health Agency is the authority responsible for communicable diseases and which sets out a national strategy for how the testing should go.
The municipalities are responsible for staff in the care, but because they lack health care resources, they must seek help from the regions, says Wallberg.

And what are you responsible for?

- I really have no responsibility and no authority over the decisions that are made. I am appointed to identify bottlenecks and discuss these with the Public Health Authority, the regions and the Government Offices. I work as an advisor.

Will the Swedish responsibility model become a problem in a crisis situation?

- Yes. When we are in a crisis, in a pandemic, the decentralized system has made it more difficult to get to the system faster. That is one reason why things have been slow.

Marie Morell (M), chair of SKR's health delegation, also points to the unclear division of responsibilities as an explanation for the delays.

- It has been a question of who should do what. The government has also talked about this, about who should take care of the different priority groups. Groups 1 and 2, ie patients and healthcare professionals, are the region's responsibility, but with regard to groups 3 and 4, it is more unclear.

Who is responsible for performing the tests?

- These are good questions you ask ... It is the regions that are responsible for groups 1 and 2, but the question is who is responsible for groups 3 and 4 and who is part of group 3.

But does not MSB have a list of those in group 3?

- Yes, but is it the same list when it comes to testing? Now I reveal that I can't do this.

Resources are available to analyze tests, but are there personnel, premises and equipment to take samples?

- I can't answer it because I don't know what it looks like. But I know you do what you can.

Social Minister Lena Hallengren (S) thinks that it is remarkable that the number of tests conducted does not increase.

- This is a question that the Ministry of Social Affairs has also asked the Public Health Authority and their answer is that it has no significant importance that it was a short work week last week, she says and continues:

- But in general, why doesn't testing increase more? Yes, that is the question we ask ourselves and we do our utmost to make sure that we detect bottlenecks, problems, whether it is money or other type of support that we can provide, then we are very keen to do so. Test capacity must be up.

Who are the bottlenecks then?

- The bottlenecks have been such a thing as who should do what, ie how to organize the practical sampling itself. If you just let the health care personnel in protective clothing do the sampling, as it was in the beginning, then it will be very resource intensive and there we can not be if we have 100,000 a week.
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96 Corona deaths today. http://archive.is/wip/9v1ff
Public health authority on testing: "Now is the time to move on to priority group three"

An additional 96 people have been registered as deceased in covid-19, the latest figures from the Public Health Authority show. A total of 4,125 people have so far died in the disease. Karin Tegmark Wisell, Head of the Department of Microbiology at the Public Health Agency, says that the reduction in the number of intensive care cases means that you are reviewing calculations of how many people you need to test.
A new guide on sampling in the elderly will be presented by the Public Health Authority later this week.
- We see that we need to reach further and we need to test more extensively, but it needs to be effective, says Karin Tegmark Wisell.
Karin Tegmark Wisell says that it will be necessary to move to a greater degree to test people in socially important activities, priority group three. The fact that testing went down in Sweden last week does not add much importance, says Karin Tegmark Wisell, partly because it was a short week.
Karin Tegmark Wisell also says that the advice that people who are 70 years or older should avoid close contacts still applies, although a "nuance around the concept of age" will come in the near future. On a direct question, Karin Tegmark Wisell says that new news may come during Lena Hallengren's press conference at 14.45, but that she is not sure.

Emma Spaak, section head of health care at Sweden's municipalities and regions (SKR) says that a test capacity will be built up that can be in place for a long time. She says that several regions have now started testing in priority group three, albeit on a small scale. However, Emma Spaak emphasizes that the focus should be that the testing is appropriate rather than the amount of testing done.
- You have to be aware that this type of sampling will require a completely different logistics than you are used to. You will to a greater extent have your own home sampling and sampling stations that you can go to, says Emma Spaak.

Johanna Sandwall, emergency preparedness manager at the National Board of Health and Welfare, says that the number of available available iva places with a respirator covers the need, although the variations are large across the country. According to Johanna Sandwall, however, the trend that fewer and fewer are being treated in intensive care, at least temporarily, has been broken. However, the figures are still considerably lower than in April.

- It is too early to draw conclusions from it. We hope this is a temporary departure, ”says Johanna Sandwall.
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No new cases for 18 straight days. One active case on the island now and it's someone in ICU. Still can't go to the dentist.

Still bombarded with news articles and commercials and shit telling me to stay home to protect frontline workers.

With a month with no active cases rapidly approaching, I don't think the government is going to be able to violate people's charter right to peaceably assemble much longer. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms contains a clause that allows government to break people's charter rights if the action is rationally connected to some pressing need (Such as a pandemic). I don't think the rules will hold up in court if you have a month or two straight of no new cases and no active cases.
 
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