Twitter Hides POTUS Tweet

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Shit dude, did you sign a Change.org petition too?

YEAH MAN, TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS IS GAAAAAAAY

INSTEAD JUST IGNORE THE PROBLEM UNTIL THE FARMS IS REPLACED WITH A GIANT PICTURE OF PPP'S ANUS FOR THE LAST 24 HOURS OF IT'S OPERATION LIKE US COOL KIDS

 

[WhiteLivesMatter]

Look at this bunch of cowards

When our president saved our country from refugees by not letting any syrian terrorists or guatemalan cartel spics you supported him

But now that he is taking an action that causes a slight inconvenience to you, you suddenly change your opinion?

You are just a bunch of hypocritical pussywhipped cucks. Trump is taking actions to make our country great again.
Trump 2020

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Shit dude, did you sign a Change.org petition too?

So do you think that White House Contact page is just for show, and we should sit with our thumbs up our asses and sob and rage impotently while Trump supposedly acts to destroy one of the very foundations of the modern internet?

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Your rundown makes sense. What (I assume) he doesn't understand is why people are taking the "repeal Section 230" tweet literally when, as explained many times in this thread, doing that would benefit nobody and take a ridiculous amount of time, effort and money. And, again, the president has a blatant habit of making enormous demands of his opposition, only to dial back in the end and do something less extreme. That's the part I don't understand, at least.

Maybe I should change my username to "psittacine" because I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Mainly because 230 is what keeps mockery on the internet legal. This may/may not be a surprise to you, but sites like this, 9Chan, 4Chan, and Encyclopaedia Dramatica are some of the last bastions of truly free speech. If the protections provided by Section 230 die, that will be a blow to free speech that we'll never really recover from.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

Look at this bunch of cowards

When our president saved our country from refugees by not letting any syrian terrorists or guatemalan cartel spics you supported him

But now that he is taking an action that causes a slight inconvenience to you, you suddenly change your opinion?

You are just a bunch of hypocritical pussywhipped cucks. Trump is taking actions to make our country great again.
Trump 2020

I didn't know having a website shut down due to liability issues was "a slight inconvenience"

 

[Pukebucket]

So do you think that White House Contact page is just for show

Yes.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Your rundown makes sense. What (I assume) he doesn't understand is why people are taking the "repeal Section 230" tweet literally when, as explained many times in this thread, doing that would benefit nobody and take a ridiculous amount of time, effort and money. And, again, the president has a blatant habit of making enormous demands of his opposition, only to dial back in the end and do something less extreme. That's the part I don't understand, at least.

Maybe I should change my username to "psittacine" because I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Because there's been multiple other efforts to remove 230 this year, including other big GOP and DNC politicans working towards doing so (the EARN IT Act for example). There's a very real chance the people trying to destroy the internet for smaller companies might decide to walk lockstep with Trump on this, using him as a useful idiot.

 

[The Last Stand]

Look at this bunch of cowards

When our president saved our country from refugees by not letting any syrian terrorists or guatemalan cartel spics you supported him

But now that he is taking an action that causes a slight inconvenience to you, you suddenly change your opinion?

You are just a bunch of hypocritical pussywhipped cucks. Trump is taking actions to make our country great again.
Trump 2020

We're not under any obligation to agree with everything the President does.

 

[Nobunaga]

So do you think that White House Contact page is just for show, and we should sit with our thumbs up our asses and sob and rage impotently while Trump supposedly acts to destroy one of the very foundations of the modern internet?

DEAR LEADER TOLD ME TO CRY SO IM CRYING
AND NO, IM NOT LIKE THOSE EVIL TRUMP CULTIST THAT DO EVERYTHING HE SAYS!

 

[Mimic]

You people can still contact the White House to make your voice heard. I just did so myself.

Thank you, I just sent mine. May do nothing, but at least I tried to do something.

@Null, I remember telling you this back in September 2019, and I repeat it now.
You aren't even 30, you got a lot of new life to see and do. This site is cool, but don't let it keep you down if you got other ideas and projects for your life.
You are a very determined and talented young man and you always reach your goals when you put your mind to it. I do believe you have the resources, time and intellect to successfully enbark in whatever new venture you have your mind. on.
Things have a beginning and an end in life, and this site is no exception.
It was fun, and I think that whoever hasn't been a complete sped on here will regret the time spent here, but life is also moving on.
If the repeal passes or you wish to close the site for whatever other reasons you see fit, I'm sure we are all ready to support you and thank you for the hours and years of laughs under lucricities you offered us by hosting this platform.
Thank you, Null.

I agree with this. Thank you Null for giving us a haven to shitpost, through all the hell you've endured for the sake of shitposting and the free Internet. You've gone above and beyond what most would. If you need to pull the plug and move on with your life, most will understand. I certainly will. I'd miss this place, but such is life.
Thank you, Null.

 

[Puff]

please delete the site and do something more productive with your time, null
like start a PMC and take over a small chunk of africa for fun and profit

This, but unironically. Someone needs to step up and make a decent country. America was at first, but now it's suffering from terminal "late stage empire" and it's only every going to get worse.

 

[YayLasagna]

230 protects site owners from consequences for activities committed by a 3rd party on their website. So, for example, if I uploaded child porn to the Farms, Josh would not be held liable. Without Section 230, if I uploaded child porn here, Josh would be liable. Without the protections provided by that law:

1. Forums like this would shut down, since site owners wouldn't want to risk some troll uploading illegal content and reporting them to the government.
2. Sites like YouTube and PornHub would die quickly, since they rely on user-generated content to survive.
3. Sites like The Pirate Bay, 4shared, and other file-sharing websites would die for the same reason.
4. Any site that didn't die a quick death would quickly become a tyrannical regime rivaling Oceania- all to protect the site owners from liability.
5. Email, video conference, Discord, and similar services would die or be run like a police state.

In short, user generated content- the lifeblood of the internet as we know it- exists only because of Section 230. Without that protection, the only websites will be corporate websites or draconian forums.

Question, would another 'western' civilization, like say the UK, be an inferior but still stable replacement for some of these sites to move to?

 

[OnMoTi]

230 protects site owners from consequences for activities committed by a 3rd party on their website. So, for example, if I uploaded child porn to the Farms, Josh would not be held liable. Without Section 230, if I uploaded child porn here, Josh would be liable. Without the protections provided by that law:

1. Forums like this would shut down, since site owners wouldn't want to risk some troll uploading illegal content and reporting them to the government.
2. Sites like YouTube and PornHub would die quickly, since they rely on user-generated content to survive.
3. Sites like The Pirate Bay, 4shared, and other file-sharing websites would die for the same reason.
4. Any site that didn't die a quick death would quickly become a tyrannical regime rivaling Oceania- all to protect the site owners from liability.
5. Email, video conference, Discord, and similar services would die or be run like a police state.

In short, user generated content- the lifeblood of the internet as we know it- exists only because of Section 230. Without that protection, the only websites will be corporate websites or draconian forums.

I'm fully aware of what 230 is, and I've also read his EO. He's not saying "erase 230." He's saying "remove the protections for places that aren't playing by the rules."

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

The law is incredibly simple.

If you run a network or a website, and someone uses it to do something bad, you are not liable for it (with exception). Websites that editorialize (newspapers) are still liable. This is why Hulk Hogan can sue Buzzfeed, but Vordrak can't sue the Kiwi Farms.

What Trump is threatening to do to hurt Twitter is repeal this law, so if someone uses Twitter to do something bad, Twitter is liable for it. He is trying to 'clarify' the law so that deleting tweets and banning accounts is editorialization. Repealing the law in its entirety makes everyone personally, civilly liable for anything published on their platform.

Notice how what he's threatening to do doesn't actually solve the problem. It just makes these platforms so liable for what they publish that the only solution is to censor even more. Any defamation complaint would mean tweets and videos would have to go down. If someone posts something here and I get a complaint it's defamatory, I have to delete it or accept liability.

Currently, the process is: Person goes to court, gets court order to remove content, content is removed. The impetus is on the person to go to court.

Contrast that with the DMCA. Section 230 explicitly does not cover IP. So when I get a DMCA complaint, and I tell them to fuck off, I actually am personally accepting responsibility for that content. Every time I do this I evaluate the use of the work and decide if it's fair or not. This is me sticking my neck out on behalf of users.

(2) No effect on intellectual property law
Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit or expand any law pertaining to intellectual property.

I can't do that for statements. Every time someone claims a post is defamation, I have to evaluate the facts and determine if I trust those claims so much that I believe I can personally represent it in court on behalf of the person making the post.

To anyone who would say "you're in Serbia, why do you care?" my answer is: I am physically in Serbia, but my possessions are not. Verisign, the company that leases all .NET domains, is American. My bank accounts are American (and thanks to the USA PATRIOT Act, unregulated banks like Swiss banks do not allow Americans to have accounts with them). My hardware is in the US. My datacenter is in the US. My LLCs are American. A civil judgement against me means they can take all of that, including the domain, Few other countries have the strong and broad protections for both speech and services as the US does currently.

Repealing Section 230 does not just spite Twitter. It emboldens Twitter to censor as hard as possible and jeopardizes any small forum without financial resources. I cannot become an outlaw for the forum. I cannot throw away my American citizenship for the forum. I've already done enough, and with the way Trump supporters are cheering this on, I don't even want to even bother.

I found where that fucker lives!!!

Spoiler

President Donald J. Trump
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington DC, 20500

 

[MadDamon]

When an interactive computer service provider removes or restricts access to content and its actions do not meet the criteria of subparagraph (c)(2)(A), it is engaged in editorial conduct. It is the policy of the United States that such a provider should properly lose the limited liability shield of subparagraph (c)(2)(A) and be exposed to liability like any traditional editor and publisher that is not an online provider.

It is said on the thing that site owners will lose their shield from liability, if they ever delete one of the post on them.

"In particular, subparagraph (c)(2) expressly addresses protections from “civil liability” and specifies that an interactive computer service provider may not be made liable “on account of” its decision in “good faith” to restrict access to content that it considers to be “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing or otherwise objectionable.”
You think people will not use it to attack the farm and make Null facing the liability of all these shitpost?

 

[WhiteLivesMatter]

I didn't know having a website shut down due to liability issues was "a slight inconvenience"

Fucking Lmao
No website is being shut down, Null is just throwing a bitchfit tantrum because he is a millennial snowflake who can't take a slight inconvenience

We're not under any obligation to agree with everything the President does.

When you vote for a president that saves your country, you should abide by all of their rules to make america great again!

 

[Aib Ld]

Yes, but these are rich, powerful entities, so even if the law changes not to favor them, they're basically above it anyways, so....

I'm baffled that this is a thing, the one that was targeted for a decade or so, does not benefit anybody at all. At what logic does "Hm, I got bantered on. Better remove the last bastion of free speech!" makes sense? The fuck?
What if some family relative(s) of theirs use Youtube or Facebook and get surprised said relative(s) hate the action of making YT/FB die?
This is so beyond tech-illiterate that I can't wrap my head on this. How do you get beyond that?

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Yes.

Well then I can't help you there.

 

[Fake News Anchor]

I found where that fucker lives!!!

Spoiler

President Donald J. Trump
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington DC, 20500

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No doxxxing please. That's not what we are about here.

 

[nohull]

Look at this bunch of cowards

When our president saved our country from refugees by not letting any syrian terrorists or guatemalan cartel spics you supported him

But now that he is taking an action that causes a slight inconvenience to you, you suddenly change your opinion?

You are just a bunch of hypocritical pussywhipped cucks. Trump is taking actions to make our country great again.
Trump 2020

Your username is kinda appropriate