Twitter Hides POTUS Tweet

I would hold that Twitter, insofar as it censors political viewpoints at the behest of political parties (and in some cases, foreign sovereigns), acts as an “information content provider” to whom the provision you mentioned does not apply. I would hold this for several reasons:

(a) Twitter’s conduct contravenes the expressly stated purposes of the statute. In fact, it frustrates those purposes.

(b) Twitter actively promotes opposing political content that is “objectionable” for the same reasons (according to the TOS), showing that their objection is not genuine.

(c) Twitter is acting against a broad class of persons, encompassing roughly half the country. The sheer numbers warrant exacting scrutiny.

(d) Twitter’s actions could affect our elections (and indeed appear tailored to that objective), and thus implicate interests beyond “constitutionally protected” speech. In that capacity, Twitter purports to flex not just statutory rights, but political power. To that end, it affects the sovereign interests of the USA, and the integrity of our processes.

(e) Twitter’s behavior is oppressive. They’re a gigantic corporation, and they’re censoring political speech of natural people, for no reason other than the fact that they disagree.

(f) To the extent section 230 burdens “constitutionally protected” First Amendment rights of natural persons for the benefit of corporate citizens, it is unconstitutional. As the EO says, the internet is the new public square, and we have a right to speak, regardless if Twitter arbitrarily deems our speech “objectionable.” Because, as a corporation, Twitter’s speech is fundamentally commercial, it is afforded less protection under the First Amendment, and it must yield to our superior First Amendment interests.

I can respect a difference of opinion. But tell me... do you not find Twitter’s conduct reprehensible? And if § 230 protects that conduct, why would you want it to persist? If Twitter wants to hold that kind of power, they need to at least win an election. It cannot be acquired by way of gift from the legislature.


90% of the people here are massively confused and think Trump is revoking the safe harbor when it appears he's actually making it more difficult to pass bs censorship rules. Even if you tell them they want to believe it so badly because, I dunno orange man bad maybe? Its kind of surreal.
 
It's amazing how Trump's internet schultzstaffel are 100% okay with every stupid thing he does, even when it will definitely, personally, affect their well-being and blow up in their face. Can't make this shit up. It's clear most of you support him because he's chaos incarnate, and not because you believe in his policies and principles, and you won't even listen when your ability to shittalk and shittake is put on the line.

Explain to me how you think this EO will induce social media giants to further curtail our “ability to shittalk.”

90% of the people here are massively confused and think Trump is revoking the safe harbor when it appears he's actually making it more difficult to pass bs censorship rules. Even if you tell them they want to believe it so badly because, I dunno orange man bad maybe? Its kind of surreal.

I see that now. TBH I don’t see how anyone could oppose this unless they happen to be a Twitter stakeholder.
 
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I say good. Trump should revoke section 230. The internet was invented by the Jews anyways. Nothing like going to the library or opening a phone book. Same with smartphones. I hope the internet really does fucking go away. It was the worst invention ever, no matter what you people want to say about it. Maybe then people might go back to reading books or going outside for once. Same with smartphones. I fucking hate those things. Computers are also an entirely new invention that were designed to eavesdrop on people to begin with. Who was the fag Alan Turing? What was the Bombe? Or the Colossus? Computers were invented to spy on Nazi communications that used encrypted ciphers like the Enigma machine or the Lorenz cipher. The internet itself was invented by the Department of Defense. It's no wonder the NSA is spying on people. Of course they fucking would, because that's what computers and the internet was made for to begin with. Instead of making people smarter it makes them dumber. This social experiment was fun while it lasted guys, but then again, just remember that with Jews you ALWAYS lose, no matter how good it may seem on it's face.
Then why do you have an account on KiwiFarms and use the Internet boomer?
 
Then why do you have an account on KiwiFarms and use the Internet boomer?
Because I, like many other people, have become an addict to it essentially. Most people (myself included) literally cannot live without the internet. It sucks you in like a drug. I'm a zoomer born in the late 90s and I only started using the internet until 2006. I remember my life before I discovered the internet (2004-5) and I would have to say that it was mostly better before I took the internet Jew. It's no different than heroin, really. I remember the time before you had people walking around like zombies staring at their smartphone screens and I would have to say that it was a significantly better timeline than now.
 
Given that it's a US president writing an Executive Order that does nothing and only applies to US law - not to the rest of the world, it's interesting that Americans react by saying "the internet" is over. It wouldn't be. There are many things people can't do in the US that are allowed abroad. And "the internet" happens out of the US.

Once again because in my first post it wasn't clear but this doesn't apply to KF, it's just hypothetical and in general:

so: no, not referring to KF here:

suppose a US citizen has a website in the US owned by an American LLC - and suppose the law say changes and the liability of an American Limited Liability corporation in no longer limited and in these cases goes beyond the assets of the company. This makes it all fall under US law.

suppose the website gets a Venezuelan .ve domain or a .cf Centroafrican domain. Suppose the website is hosted on a few mirrors in countries outside the US.

Suppose the owner is not a US LLC but a company created abroad by someone who is only in name director/owner of the company. This local person, let's call him Igor Ivanov and his company Sperg. So Igor Ivanov opened Sperg in Armenia, Sperg bought the domain in Venezuela, the servers are hosted in a few various countries. Sperg opens various bank accounts.

Then Igor Ivanov signs powers of attorney for the Real Owner in the name of Sperg and gives the Real Owner logins, passwords, etc. Igor Ivanov also hands the Real Owner an undated resignation letter. Should Igor Ivanov actually be a "real director" and touch the money, the Real Owner can fill in the date and show the bank that the transaction was not allowed.

At this point we have an Armenian company owned by an Armenian national. The Armenian company is not a US company and opens bank accounts where it wants without any FATCA reporting. The Armenian company owns and operates the website, which is hosted outside the US and is a foreign TLD.

The Real Owner has just powers of attorney, how on earth would he be sued??? the personal liability, if any, would be with the nominal owner in Armenia. Because it's a civil case, the plaintiff must prove to the court everything.

So if the plaintiff goes to a US court, they will first have to prove jurisdiction and suppose they do, any further action will need to be taken by letter rogatory in Armenia, with an Armenian lawyer who needs a power of attorney and everything authenticated and translated according to the Convention of Vienna (notary public recognises the signature, the signature is recognised by a notary public who is on the State Dept list, the signature of the State Dept is recognised by the Embassy with jurisdiction over Wash., DC). In the meantime Sperg Armenia already dissolved and its assets (bank accounts, websites) were bought by Troll Macedonia.

You see where this is going? If it works by shielding the actual owners of hundreds of millions of dollars from ownership - and these are war criminals, etc., surely such a scheme can shield a website owner from being sued from a fat person.

If somebody found it confusing it's meant to be. That's the point.

Again this is not regarding KF specifically but in general.

@SigSauer: yes I know, try writing letters and postcards. The world well apart when they invented the printing press, in the good old days we had monks writing on parchment. And about Jews spying on everyone: since you seem to imply that all Jews are the same and part of the Great Conspiracy (from pork-eating couldn't-care-less Jews to the bearded, funny hat ones that have no internet and no phones because it's a sin), why don't you go to a very reform synagogue, say you want to be Jewish but eat pork etc., convert, then you'll get the Secret Jewish login and the Secret Jewish password to the Secret Jewish website. Since the Jews rule everything then join them and you will be rich and have bath-tubs of gold. :biggrin: Oh and you are right too, everything the military invent has a sinister purpose, prosthetic limbs come to my mind, I am sure they all contain Secret Chips.
 
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The Executive Order just asks for clarification on what constitutes editorial control, so that concrete rules are in place and people can be adjudicated to be violating those rules on not. This is a nothingburger. IIRC the last time this was brought up, the idea was that the scrutiny would even only apply to internet giants that get something like 50 million users a month.
 
The general rule of thumb is "no liability without fault." However, just because you didn't "personally" act does not mean there is no fault. Rules imposing vicarious liability are everywhere. Manufacturers and distributers are strictly liable for defective products, bosses are liable for the acts of their employees/agents, parents are liable for the acts of their children, owners are liable when their dog bites someone, etc. And as relevant here, news agencies are liable for publishing false and defamatory lies by third parties.

The fact is, everyone who is in a position of authority over others is liable to some extent for the acts of someone else. So why should Twitter be exempt? As I stated previously, § 230 lists finding and policies, and Twitter's behavior serves none of them. Let's not overlook the fact that Twitter inserted itself into the political censorship industry, ostensibly at the urging of the political Left. They could have remained neutral, but they chose not to.
Being that this is the case, what good does it really do to repeal 230? Didn't Twitter already overstep their boundaries and become a publisher in the eyes of the law? Wouldn't they already be subject to the consequences of crossing that line? What's the point, apart from scorched earth?
 
Its just a can of worms nobody really wants to open up. 230 offers cohesion, by cutting off that cohesion you basically create a state of pure chaos where there is literally no grey area. You will have companies merking people left and right until people start talking like Russian bots and just post pictures of their cats. You won't even have boomer or troon rants anymore. They'll just start axing things left and right.

The internet is largely free thanks to America (lol at EU speech protections). 230 is part of that, so no shit we're losing out minds when some fucking Boomer gets ass blasted Twitter is muting his tweets. He should have left it for the corporate dicksucker at the head of the FCC look over Twitter. Not go fucking nuclear.

I'm 90% sure this is just Trump shit-posting on Twitter and 10% real. But we don't need that 10% right now. We've got enough bullshit going on.
 
I would hold that Twitter, insofar as it censors political viewpoints at the behest of political parties (and in some cases, foreign sovereigns), acts as an “information content provider” to whom the provision you mentioned does not apply. I would hold this for several reasons:

(a) Twitter’s conduct contravenes the expressly stated purposes of the statute. In fact, it frustrates those purposes.

(b) Twitter actively promotes opposing political content that is “objectionable” for the same reasons (according to the TOS), showing that their objection is not genuine.

(c) Twitter is acting against a broad class of persons, encompassing roughly half the country. The sheer numbers warrant exacting scrutiny.

(d) Twitter’s actions could affect our elections (and indeed appear tailored to that objective), and thus implicate interests beyond “constitutionally protected” speech. In that capacity, Twitter purports to flex not just statutory rights, but political power. To that end, it affects the sovereign interests of the USA, and the integrity of our processes.

(e) Twitter’s behavior is oppressive. They’re a gigantic corporation, and they’re censoring political speech of natural people, for no reason other than the fact that they disagree.

(f) To the extent section 230 burdens “constitutionally protected” First Amendment rights of natural persons for the benefit of corporate citizens, it is unconstitutional. As the EO says, the internet is the new public square, and we have a right to speak, regardless if Twitter arbitrarily deems our speech “objectionable.” Because, as a corporation, Twitter’s speech is fundamentally commercial, it is afforded less protection under the First Amendment, and it must yield to our superior First Amendment interests.

I can respect a difference of opinion. But tell me... do you not find Twitter’s conduct reprehensible? And if § 230 protects that conduct, why would you want it to persist? If Twitter wants to hold that kind of power, they need to at least win an election. It cannot be acquired by way of gift from the legislature.
Because 230 also allows this website, and any website with user submitted content to exist.
If you get rid of it then crazy trannies dogpile and sue Josh because he'd be legally responsible for what we post here.
 
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Being that this is the case, what good does it really do to repeal 230? Didn't Twitter already overstep their boundaries and become a publisher in the eyes of the law? Wouldn't they already be subject to the consequences of crossing that line? What's the point, apart from scorched earth?

...Trump did not, and cannot, repeal section 230. I can’t stress that point enough.

So far as I know, courts have unanimously found social media companies to be categorically immune under § 230, and they’ll probably continue to do that until the Supreme Court says otherwise. That’s where this is headed, of course.
 
...Trump did not, and cannot, repeal section 230. I can’t stress that point enough.

So far as I know, courts have unanimously found social media companies to be categorically immune under § 230, and they’ll probably continue to do that until the Supreme Court says otherwise. That’s where this is headed, of course.
He can't, but he can surely start a movement that pushes Congress to repeal it.
He's the president, he has a lot of pull.
 
Its just a can of worms nobody really wants to open up. 230 offers cohesion, by cutting off that cohesion you basically create a state of pure chaos where there is literally no grey area. You will have companies merking people left and right until people start talking like Russian bots and just post pictures of their cats. You won't even have boomer or troon rants anymore. They'll just start axing things left and right.

The internet is largely free thanks to America (lol at EU speech protections). 230 is part of that, so no shit we're losing out minds when some fucking Boomer gets ass blasted Twitter is muting his tweets. He should have left it for the corporate dicksucker at the head of the FCC look over Twitter. Not go fucking nuclear.

I'm 90% sure this is just Trump shit-posting on Twitter and 10% real. But we don't need that 10% right now. We've got enough bullshit going on.

Twitter, Google, et al have been ramping up their censorship tactics dramatically since the 2016, doing everything in their power short of outright saying it, to strangle any nascent proTrump movement like what happened last time in its cradle. I'd want to do something about that if I was Drumpf too. They started this slapfight so you can blame them too.


He can't, but he can surely start a movement that pushes Congress to repeal it.
He's the president, he has a lot of pull.

If that does happen it will probably ironically be because people will start to go along with the false narrative started by the opposition that Trump should be against the whole of 230.
 
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So I read the six page draft finally and I don't see the part where he wants to fully repeal section 230? It looks like he's more or less just cracking the whip on enforcing the distinction between an acting publisher and a neutral platform. I haven't read the final draft on the .gov yet so were there any nonsense provisions added?
 
Because 230 also allows this website, and any website with user submitted content to exist.
If you get rid of it then crazy trannies dogpile and sue Josh because he'd be legally responsible for what we post here.

Trump did not, and cannot, get rid of section 230. I can’t stress this enough.

But I’ll bite: even if it were repealed, life would go on, and sites like this would still exist. Almost every other business carries on without the benefit of statutory immunity, and somehow the world keeps turning. If Josh got inundated with frivolous defamation suits, I suppose he would make a living collecting Anti-SLAPP awards.
 
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He can't, but he can surely start a movement that pushes Congress to repeal it.
He's the president, he has a lot of pull.

I doubt he’d be able to get agreement on that, even in his party. Even if he could, Democrats control the House.
 
Because I, like many other people, have become an addict to it essentially. Most people (myself included) literally cannot live without the internet. It sucks you in like a drug. I'm a zoomer born in the late 90s and I only started using the internet until 2006. I remember my life before I discovered the internet (2004-5) and I would have to say that it was mostly better before I took the internet Jew. It's no different than heroin, really. I remember the time before you had people walking around like zombies staring at their smartphone screens and I would have to say that it was a significantly better timeline than now.
So much edge, you going to go on a spiel about how much you love Fight Club next?
 
He can't, but he can surely start a movement that pushes Congress to repeal it.
He's the president, he has a lot of pull.
Trump burns through political capital on a regular basis. Pull is not infinite, particularly in Washington. At a certain point, politicians just get exhausted and donors get divided by individual controversies. If the Trump presidency has a singular flaw, it is extreme ADHD.
 
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