Twitter Hides POTUS Tweet

I'm so glad I actually read the EO and didn't just take the hyperbole and misinformation for granted, it pays off to get it straight from the horses mouth. This isn't even as big of a deal as fucking with net neutrality. I understand that bringing up 230 puts it in the firing line but it could just as easily die out, too. I wouldn't panic about it until things begin to escalate and legislation starts changing.
 
So I got a question: to what level is "censorship" allowed? For example if my homecountry states in it's laws that glorification of Nazis (I think that is the easiest example) is forbidden then any platform has the right to do it. But everything else like "shadowbanning" or delisting popular channles due to unwanted opinions is a form of editorial censorship since it has to be put in manually (I mean no algorithm could detect that lest it is TOLD to do so)

You can still have censorship. The only thing is now you (and by you I mean probably only gigantic social media monopolies with an established and frequent pattern of flaunting this rule) are not allowed to have bs rules like saying you forbid glorification of violence but use it to ban every conservative in sight for talking about stuff like water pistols while letting antifa freely talk about firebombing a police station. Otherwise you (gigantic global megacorp with a pattern of flouting the rule) risk losing safe harbor protection and become a publisher. It would probably be up to the complainant to show a very high bar of evidence and show established patterns and obviously its very hard to see Drumpfs goons having the time to go after an ant like Null, and why would they when they're only interested in leftwing megacorps? And thats if this is actually implemented in full.

This is apparently antifreespeech and the intolerable apocalypse deathknell of liberty to some here.

PS: Some people are saying he'll go further than the EO and completely repeal 203 which would be dumb since the EO if implemented does exactly what he wants. Repealing 203 would only give the Dems what they want since they're the ones who want to get rid of safe harbor more thoroughly for stuff like hate speech, 'revenge' porn.
 
Last edited:
What should've happened was a revision and redrafting of Section 230, and not an overall removal. This is why I hate American politics. Two shitty parties with a whole ton of shitty politicians.
 
  • Feels
Reactions: Iwasamwillbe
So I got a question: to what level is "censorship" allowed? For example if my homecountry states in it's laws that glorification of Nazis (I think that is the easiest example) is forbidden then any platform has the right to do it. But everything else like "shadowbanning" or delisting popular channles due to unwanted opinions is a form of editorial censorship since it has to be put in manually (I mean no algorithm could detect that lest it is TOLD to do so)

There are currently nearly no exceptions to 230 immunity. The one I can think of is for anticompetitive practices, i.e. where the "ISP" was censoring communications by a competitor. This was a split panel of the Ninth Circuit, so it's of dubious authority elsewhere. Anywhere else, at least so far, the "otherwise objectionable" language is essentially carte blanche for an ISP to do whatever it likes without losing Section 230 immunity (although it might have liability for breach of contract or fraud or some other violation of a duty to whoever it censors).
 
The law is incredibly simple.

If you run a network or a website, and someone uses it to do something bad, you are not liable for it (with exception). Websites that editorialize (newspapers) are still liable. This is why Hulk Hogan can sue Buzzfeed, but Vordrak can't sue the Kiwi Farms.

What Trump is threatening to do to hurt Twitter is repeal this law, so if someone uses Twitter to do something bad, Twitter is liable for it. He is trying to 'clarify' the law so that deleting tweets and banning accounts is editorialization. Repealing the law in its entirety makes everyone personally, civilly liable for anything published on their platform.

Notice how what he's threatening to do doesn't actually solve the problem. It just makes these platforms so liable for what they publish that the only solution is to censor even more. Any defamation complaint would mean tweets and videos would have to go down. If someone posts something here and I get a complaint it's defamatory, I have to delete it or accept liability.

Currently, the process is: Person goes to court, gets court order to remove content, content is removed. The impetus is on the person to go to court.

Contrast that with the DMCA. Section 230 explicitly does not cover IP. So when I get a DMCA complaint, and I tell them to fuck off, I actually am personally accepting responsibility for that content. Every time I do this I evaluate the use of the work and decide if it's fair or not. This is me sticking my neck out on behalf of users.

(2) No effect on intellectual property law
Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit or expand any law pertaining to intellectual property.


I can't do that for statements. Every time someone claims a post is defamation, I have to evaluate the facts and determine if I trust those claims so much that I believe I can personally represent it in court on behalf of the person making the post.

To anyone who would say "you're in Serbia, why do you care?" my answer is: I am physically in Serbia, but my possessions are not. Verisign, the company that leases all .NET domains, is American. My bank accounts are American (and thanks to the USA PATRIOT Act, unregulated banks like Swiss banks do not allow Americans to have accounts with them). My hardware is in the US. My datacenter is in the US. My LLCs are American. A civil judgement against me means they can take all of that, including the domain, Few other countries have the strong and broad protections for both speech and services as the US does currently.

Repealing Section 230 does not just spite Twitter. It emboldens Twitter to censor as hard as possible and jeopardizes any small forum without financial resources. I cannot become an outlaw for the forum. I cannot throw away my American citizenship for the forum. I've already done enough, and with the way Trump supporters are cheering this on, I don't even want to even bother.
I am hearing you clearly.
I too am tired of it.
 
DAWN OF THE SECOND DAY
48 HOURS REMAIN

Just a reminder that:
1. The EO doesn't say shit about repealing 230.
2. Blumpft's tweet means nothing. He rattled his sabre numerous times over the course of his presidency.
3. In fact, the press conference mentioned nothing about 230.
4. You should all stop chimping out. Have you not learned anything from the Suleimani assassination shitstorm back in January? Or the Net Neutrality shitstorm? Or that time in 2017 when Blumpft bombed the Middle East?
5. Wait until fucking Monday.
I'll post this shit tomorrow too. I hope it gets at least one-two of you retards to chill the fuck out.
 
DAWN OF THE SECOND DAY
48 HOURS REMAIN

Just a reminder that:
1. The EO doesn't say shit about repealing 230.
2. Blumpft's tweet means nothing. He rattled his sabre numerous times over the course of his presidency.
3. In fact, the press conference mentioned nothing about 230.
4. You should all stop chimping out. Have you not learned anything from the Suleimani assassination shitstorm back in January? Or the Net Neutrality shitstorm? Or that time in 2017 when Blumpft bombed the Middle East?
5. Wait until fucking Monday.
I'll post this shit tomorrow too. I hope it gets at least one-two of you retards to chill the fuck out.
you sound like the people who kept saying the Patriot act was temporary, why are you freaking out it's only for now because 9 11
 
So what the supposed issue is= Tramp gonna steal my nets!@!@#!@#! Just like Net Neutrality saved us from ebils!
Reality =Orange boomer yells at cloud
 
you sound like the people who kept saying the Patriot act was temporary, why are you freaking out it's only for now because 9 11
well, YOU sound like the people that kept screaming NOOOOOOO ZLRUMPFT JUST DRAGGED US INTO WORLD WAR THREE back in January. Daddy Nullerino was freaking out back then too. But look at how THAT turned out.
All I'm saying is, quit freaking out ahead of time.
 
What Trump SHOULD do is just leave Twitter and join Parler or Gab or Minds or Voat or any of the other alternative social media sites. If he would do that millions of people would follow him simply because he's one of the most important and powerful people on earth.

Twitter needs him more than he needs Twitter.
 
The difference is that Bush and Cheney were not rambling retards having daily meltdowns.

If you teleported back to that time and flipped on the MSM Bush was the dumbest man on the planet while Cheney was Satan incarnate and they were the absolute worst most incompetent most evil people that would ever exist in all of history. Similarly Reagan was the dumbest man on the planet the worst person in all of history past present or future and Satan incarnate if you were to go back in time and even McCain and Romney were Satan incarnate during their times running for office. I'm pretty sure whatever center right/rightwinger happens to follow Drumpf will also be the dumbest most incompetent most evil person in all of history.
 
I'm so glad I actually read the EO and didn't just take the hyperbole and misinformation for granted, it pays off to get it straight from the horses mouth. This isn't even as big of a deal as fucking with net neutrality. I understand that bringing up 230 puts it in the firing line but it could just as easily die out, too. I wouldn't panic about it until things begin to escalate and legislation starts changing.
Get the fuck outta here. The EO is basically a "shot across the bow" to whether Twitter wants to be a platform or publisher?! GretaTurnberg.gif

Stop being smart and doing your own reading and not following the uproar of the mob of this thread.
 
Last edited:
The amount of Americans that are underestimating the consequences of this are staggering. I think I'll try laughing with the rest of the world on this one while I'm reduced to being policed by internet Karens like Trump.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cuddle striker
Back