Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[heavycream]

I mean, can you imagine a giant newborn attending a mainstream school with his teenage peers? I mean, realistically he may not live that long... but still.

Powerlevel: there was a kid in my secondary school / HS that had muscular dystrophy. He was 13 when he first showed up, and already bound to a motorized wheelchair, unable to chew, write or do anything other than talk (barely). The staff at the school treated him well, but they made it clear to everyone that he was going to die soon.
I was some few years older than him but I'd still hear and see him being rushed out of classes so they could resuscitate and ventilate him. That went on a couple years until he vanished.
At least that kid was conscious and had enough awareness and intelligence to get something out of school, if not only for the stimulation and social inclusion aspect of it. Honestly, a lot of the typical kids never really minded hanging out with the speds if they were mentally intact; when it came to autism or other conditions that made them behave like exceptionals is when it mattered, not physical ailments.
I still feel that children who are literally dying do not belong in mainstream schools. That's not even accounting for the lack of brain this spud has.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Powerlevel: there was a kid in my secondary school / HS that had muscular dystrophy. He was 13 when he first showed up, and already bound to a motorized wheelchair, unable to chew, write or do anything other thank talk (barely). The staff at the school treated him well, but they made it clear to everyone that he was going to die soon.
I was some few years older than him but I'd still hear and see him being rushed out of classes so they could resuscitate and ventilate him. That went on a couple years until he vanished.
At least that kid was conscious and had enough awareness and intelligence to get something out of school, if not only for the stimulation and social inclusion aspect of it. Honestly, a lot of the typical kids never really minded hanging out with the speds if they were mentally intact; when it came to autism or other conditions that made them behave like exceptionals is when it mattered, not physical ailments.
I still feel that children who are literally dying do not belong in mainstream schools. That's not even accounting for the lack of brain this spud has.

Always found it crazy that when suddenly all the LOW functioning autistic kids had to be included that it pushed out the Down Syndrome, Cerebral Palsy, etc. children who could learn. School near here refused to allow a child with spina bifida (who was mobile and able to walk with braces) because it would bother the other children yet allowed a child that sounded that made noises like a screecher monkey non-stop be in there and that supposedly was not bothersome to education.

 

[Freya]

I’ve never known Arab or Indian doctors in the USA to have anti-abortion views. In fact many abortion clinics have them on staff.

Muslim/Arab countries have a real wide spectrum on abortion. I think Pakistan has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.

Every stringent anti-abortion OBGYN in America I have ever encountered has been a religious white man born and bred in the USA.

I've talked to Arab friends before that said people don't really care about it much there. There's no virtue signalling because life there is hard and there's less chance for the govt to pay for their spuds to live on indefinitely. It looks like its only allowed in most Muslim countries for health reasons.

The World's Abortion Laws | Center for Reproductive Rights

reproductiverights.org

No, it is not. The three US doctors who performed late term abortions serviced potato fetuses almost entirely because you cannot get an abortion after 20 weeks (even with non-viable with life defects confirmed) anywhere else.

Ill edit in the link but there is a website where women tell their stories about trying to obtain a late term abortion because it was discovered their baby had horrific deformities and/or brain damage. Many conditions don’t manifest on ultrasound until past 20 weeks. These women had to pay $15k cash (insurance doesn’t cover it) and travel long distances simply to have a late term abortion of a non-viable fetus.

Why did they need to abort them at that point? I'm guessing there might have been some legal issues and they were worried if they gave birth, the hospital would be required to actively keep them alive.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I've talked to Arab friends before that said people don't really care about it much there. There's no virtue signalling because life there is hard and there's less chance for the govt to pay for their spuds to live on indefinitely. It looks like its only allowed in most Muslim countries for health reasons.

The World's Abortion Laws | Center for Reproductive Rights

reproductiverights.org

Why did they need to abort them at that point? I'm guessing there might have been some legal issues and they were worried if they gave birth, the hospital would be required to actively keep them alive.

These were wanted pregnancies, pretty far along (past 22 weeks) that they were then informed had catastrophic birth defects. Sometimes they can tell something is very wrong at 22 weeks but maybe there’s hope or they can’t be 100% sure and need another month of development to be sure.

Your are then asking women to continue to carry a doomed baby. To spend 3-4 months being heavily pregnant and everyone asking them about how excited they are and when the baby is due. Its a pretty horrible fate. But the mother aside, the fact is the baby will be born only to then suffer for however long it lives...and depending on condition there’s always the chance it might mean six months or a year of caring for a potato that only feels pain. Many people can’t afford to drop everything in their life, including their other children, to care for a hopeless, suffering baby that has no chance of long survival or the lowest quality of life.

I think the idea is a late term abortion for them is the best solution for mother and baby to an absolutely tragic situation that there is no good solution, only one that can mitigate the suffering. Late term abortions aren’t much different than birth, but at least it can end the tragedy sooner instead of extending it over more weeks or months.

This lady in the link explains it pretty well. Women in these circumstances have all my support and sympathy. Nobody would ever want to be faced with the decisions they are forced to make.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/02/late-term-abortion-support-group-lessons-trust-myself-women.html

Oh and here’s a link to the site I mentioned earlier:

https://endingawantedpregnancy.com/

You can read directly from women why they end up needing an abortion at post 25 weeks due to a variety of horrific conditions only detected mid way through the second trimester and how difficult and awful it is to get on. Three providers in the entire nation.

(A doctor who specialized in late term abortion for non-viable babies in Kansas was murdered twenty years ago by an anti-abortion crazy. This is why it is so difficult for women to end a potato baby pregnancy, doctors are terrified of offering the service even though they totally agree with the need for it in these cases.)

 

[Freya]

These were wanted pregnancies, pretty far along (past 22 weeks) that they were then informed had catastrophic birth defects. Sometimes they can tell something is very wrong at 22 weeks but maybe there’s hope or they can’t be 100% sure and need another month of development to be sure.

Your are then asking women to continue to carry a doomed baby. To spend 3-4 months being heavily pregnant and everyone asking them about how excited they are and when the baby is due. Its a pretty horrible fate. But the mother aside, the fact is the baby will be born only to then suffer for however long it lives...and depending on condition there’s always the chance it might mean six months or a year of caring for a potato that only feels pain. Many people can’t afford to drop everything in their life, including their other children, to care for a hopeless, suffering baby that has no chance of long survival or the lowest quality of life.

I think the idea is a late term abortion for them is the best solution for mother and baby to an absolutely tragic situation that there is no good solution, only one that can mitigate the suffering. Late term abortions aren’t much different than birth, but at least it can end the tragedy sooner instead of extending it over more weeks or months.

This lady in the link explains it pretty well. Women in these circumstances have all my support and sympathy. Nobody would ever want to be faced with the decisions they are forced to make.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/02/late-term-abortion-support-group-lessons-trust-myself-women.html

Oh and here’s a link to the site I mentioned earlier:

https://endingawantedpregnancy.com/

You can read directly from women why they end up needing an abortion at post 25 weeks due to a variety of horrific conditions only detected mid way through the second trimester and how difficult and awful it is to get on. Three providers in the entire nation.

(A doctor who specialized in late term abortion for non-viable babies in Kansas was murdered twenty years ago by an anti-abortion crazy. This is why it is so difficult for women to end a potato baby pregnancy, doctors are terrified of offering the service even though they totally agree with the need for it in these cases.)

I remember seeing an article posted in here although I can't locate it about a woman that had a late term abortion of a non-viable fetus. Something about how if it was born, the hospital would have to do everything to keep it alive or it could legally be considered murder. Don't remember much else

 

[A Detachable Penis]

Powerlevel: there was a kid in my secondary school / HS that had muscular dystrophy. He was 13 when he first showed up, and already bound to a motorized wheelchair, unable to chew, write or do anything other thank talk (barely). The staff at the school treated him well, but they made it clear to everyone that he was going to die soon.
I was some few years older than him but I'd still hear and see him being rushed out of classes so they could resuscitate and ventilate him. That went on a couple years until he vanished.
At least that kid was conscious and had enough awareness and intelligence to get something out of school, if not only for the stimulation and social inclusion aspect of it. Honestly, a lot of the typical kids never really minded hanging out with the speds if they were mentally intact; when it came to autism or other conditions that made them behave like exceptionals is when it mattered, not physical ailments.
I still feel that children who are literally dying do not belong in mainstream schools. That's not even accounting for the lack of brain this spud has.

They had a boy with DMD join our classes sometimes, but unlike yours, didnt address the fact that he was going to die. I knew what he had and what it meant and it fucked me up.

Here in Canuckistan, they'll abort late term for health of baby or mother. Its still hard to even get regular abortions in some provinces due to lack of providers.

 

[booklover]

I remember seeing an article posted in here although I can't locate it about a woman that had a late term abortion of a non-viable fetus. Something about how if it was born, the hospital would have to do everything to keep it alive or it could legally be considered murder. Don't remember much else

When I was in college, I read a column by IIRC Anna Quindlen about people who did not want to abort their seriously ill babies, but they did it for precisely this reason; in short, they didn't want the doctors to be basically doing experiments on their children without their consent. Being pro-life had nothing to do with it; like I said earlier, many women continue these pregnancies because they want to have their baby for as long as possible, but they also wanted their children to have a good quality of life, and torturing it for (potentially) months or years was not part of that.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

When I was in college, I read a column by IIRC Anna Quindlen about people who did not want to abort their seriously ill babies, but they did it for precisely this reason; in short, they didn't want the doctors to be basically doing experiments on their children without their consent. Being pro-life had nothing to do with it; like I said earlier, many women continue these pregnancies because they want to have their baby for as long as possible, but they also wanted their children to have a good quality of life, and torturing it for (potentially) months or years was not part of that.

Whoops. Missed the very important “Not” in the initial sentence. What I get for reading on my phone in middle of night.

Thanks to @Neither here nor there for pointing it out

 

[Toohottotrot]

It could just mean experimental surgeries and strategies to Improve the child’s life

 

[Neither here nor there]

WTF are you talking about? Why would any woman think she shouldn’t have an abortion of a potato baby to protect it from “medical experiments”?

The person you're replying to said, "did not want to abort their seriously ill babies, but they did it for precisely this reason." In other words, didn't want to have an abortion, but did have an abortion because they didn't want their baby to be the subject of medical experimentation (IOW, the stuff the potatoes go through to keep them alive). Not that they avoided abortion because abortion would result in medical experiments. Hope that makes sense.

(edit for clarity)

 

[MysticMisty]

I’ve never known Arab or Indian doctors in the USA to have anti-abortion views. In fact many abortion clinics have them on staff.

Muslim/Arab countries have a real wide spectrum on abortion. I think Pakistan has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.

That's very interesting, I never knew that before. I've never really heard much about abortion in the middle east before, but it's kinda messed up that they're not as universally against it as fundies, considering that even fundies don't practice genital mutilation (but probably only because they didn't think of it first).

Does Pakistan have such high rates due to high levels of inbreeding? That they have a level of how fucked a baby/child can be even when deformities/health problems/mega tards just run in the family? Or is there another factor at work?

 

[The Husbando Collector]

That's very interesting, I never knew that before. I've never really heard much about abortion in the middle east before, but it's kinda messed up that they're not as universally against it as fundies, considering that even fundies don't practice genital mutilation (but probably only because they didn't think of it first).

Does Pakistan have such high rates due to high levels of inbreeding? That they have a level of how fucked a baby/child can be even when deformities/health problems/mega tards just run in the family? Or is there another factor at work?

PL From what I know yes. I remember back in high school there was an egyptian kid whose his parents were cousins in an arranged marriage, luckily he was only blind instead of some fucked up monstrosity against nature.

 

[TheBlackVolga]

The Magic Kingdom (aka Saudi Arabia) has a high percentage of genetic disorders because of in-breeding. There is a specialist hospital (I believe that it is in Riyadh) that deals with these cases.

Edited because of typo.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Powerlevel: there was a kid in my secondary school / HS that had muscular dystrophy. He was 13 when he first showed up, and already bound to a motorized wheelchair, unable to chew, write or do anything other thank talk (barely). The staff at the school treated him well, but they made it clear to everyone that he was going to die soon.
I was some few years older than him but I'd still hear and see him being rushed out of classes so they could resuscitate and ventilate him. That went on a couple years until he vanished.
At least that kid was conscious and had enough awareness and intelligence to get something out of school, if not only for the stimulation and social inclusion aspect of it. Honestly, a lot of the typical kids never really minded hanging out with the speds if they were mentally intact; when it came to autism or other conditions that made them behave like exceptionals is when it mattered, not physical ailments.
I still feel that children who are literally dying do not belong in mainstream schools. That's not even accounting for the lack of brain this spud has.

I’m from a large city, so we have a variety of schools dedicated to varying degrees of SPEDiness. I think it’s more kind for a severely disabled child to go to a school that is designed specially for them than one that isn’t.

I remember seeing an article posted in here although I can't locate it about a woman that had a late term abortion of a non-viable fetus. Something about how if it was born, the hospital would have to do everything to keep it alive or it could legally be considered murder. Don't remember much else

Someone a while back mentioned lilyslittlelungs, who was a baby born at 24 weeks who had to be on extreme sedation for 8 months because of the immense pain of all the procedures. Doctors said it was unlikely she’d survive. I’ll admit I’ve been following her on insta, because she’s an adorable toddler. And you can see her progressing, from walking while holding a parent’s hand to taking those first shaky steps independently to toddling down the sidewalk. You can look at her and think wow, the miracle of modern medicine, of course this baby was worth saving. But she was born too early, she isn’t missing part of her brain. There’s hope. There’s no hope for brainlessness.
It must be hard to be the parent of a potato in the NICU and see the babies who are there because of extreme prematurity and know that they might be fine and yours won’t.

I read a NYT article about a baby born at 22+3—which many hospitals won’t even try to save—and now that baby is two and more advanced than Kayli ever will be.
(And now I’m reading another article about the consequences of extreme prematurity—they are real! But there’s still life beyond endless seizures and being awkwardly posed for photos).

edit: I should note that many very premature babies will be severely disabled. But there’s still the potential for them not to be.

 

[Allo Vera]

Does Pakistan have such high rates due to high levels of inbreeding? That they have a level of how fucked a baby/child can be even when deformities/health problems/mega tards just run in the family? Or is there another factor at work?

Two or three generations of first cousin marriage has a lot to do with it, for sure. Here in tbe UK, kids of Pakistani heritage are way, way over-represented in the stats for genetic diseases. But of course we have free healthcare so there’s no financial or familial pressure to abort sick foetuses or even test them for abnormalities.

The city of Bradford’s child mortality rate is twice the national average due to its large Pakistani population. This couple have lost all three of their children to I-Cell but the husband still thinks a succession of sick, short-lives babies is God’s will.

Did my children die because I married my cousin?

Ruba and Saqib both carry a gene for I-cell disorder, which means their children have a one-in-four chance of dying in early childhood.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[GenociderSyo]

 

[Allo Vera]

Yep, that was filmed in Bradford.

 

[RebatsivePulsard]

Two or three generations of first cousin marriage has a lot to do with it, for sure. Here in tbe UK, kids of Pakistani heritage are way, way over-represented in the stats for genetic diseases. But of course we have free healthcare so there’s no financial or familial pressure to abort sick foetuses or even test them for abnormalities.

The city of Bradford’s child mortality rate is twice the national average due to its large Pakistani population. This couple have lost all three of their children to I-Cell but the husband still thinks a succession of sick, short-lives babies is God’s will.

Did my children die because I married my cousin?

Ruba and Saqib both carry a gene for I-cell disorder, which means their children have a one-in-four chance of dying in early childhood.

www.bbc.co.uk

I can’t parse all the stupidity and willful ignorance on the part of her parents and her husband. They “couldn’t” delay the marriage so their daughter could complete her education?? The husband just says it’s “Allah’s will” if their kids have short, painful lives, and doesn’t care for IVF and embryo screening? I really wish we had good old-fashioned eugenics with forced sterilization for people like this.

 

[booklover]

That's very interesting, I never knew that before. I've never really heard much about abortion in the middle east before, but it's kinda messed up that they're not as universally against it as fundies, considering that even fundies don't practice genital mutilation (but probably only because they didn't think of it first).

Does Pakistan have such high rates due to high levels of inbreeding? That they have a level of how fucked a baby/child can be even when deformities/health problems/mega tards just run in the family? Or is there another factor at work?

Actually, the reason is far more horrifying. In some parts of the world, in particular China and some heavily Islamic areas, girls are, to put it mildly, unwanted.

I found out a while back that in South Korea, it is illegal to tell parents the sex of a baby before it's born, for precisely this reason. The woman who told me about it said that she had a relative (either cousin or niece) whose husband was stationed there in the military, and even on US military bases, they couldn't do that. They can't even do that when the ultrasound picture is obvious to laypeople.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

Actually, the reason is far more horrifying. In some parts of the world, in particular China and some heavily Islamic areas, girls are, to put it mildly, unwanted.

I found out a while back that in South Korea, it is illegal to tell parents the sex of a baby before it's born, for precisely this reason. The woman who told me about it said that she had a relative (either cousin or niece) whose husband was stationed there in the military, and even on US military bases, they couldn't do that. They can't even do that when the ultrasound picture is obvious to laypeople.

I've heard India is the same way, even the poorest villages have an ultrasound, and if the baby's a girl, the mother is pressured (forced) into getting an abortion.