Gamergate III: Rise of the Machines

[NegaCWC]

From the honey badger campain:
In April of this year, the Honey Badgers plan to put on a booth at the Calgary Comics and Entertainment Expo! We plan to infiltrate nerd culture cunningly disguised as their own. Each of us has been carefully crafting a persona of nerdiness through decades of dedication to comics, science fiction, fantasy, comedy games and other geekery, waiting for this moment, our moment to slip among the unaware. Once there we will start distributing the totalitarian message that nerd and gamer culture is… perfectly wonderful just as it is and should be left alone to go it’s own way.

This isn't a plan to infiltrate anything, it's an obviously sarcastic statement.

At the con they disrupted a panel about women in comics and were asked to leave.

Coutresy of the The Mary Sue (definitely not a source favorable to GG), Here's an account of what happened by a speaker in the panel that was supposedly disrupted:

Spoiler: spoilered for size

We were about fifteen minutes into the panel when a woman in the second row stood up and identified herself as a Men’s Rights Activist. She and her male companion both came to raise issues they felt would not be covered by our panel. Raising points about the way men are portrayed in comics struck a note with all the panelists, as we agreed that we want to see a diversity across body types, characters, races, etc in mainstream comics. Not everyone wants to see a hero who looks like he’s built like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. They also accused us of presenting all women as victims, which was an outright lie and derailing tactic.
Their questions did take up quite a bit of time at the panel and served to derail the topic onto another tangent, which was frustrating for the panel and for those in the audience. It’s what they came to do, and in part, they succeeded. I would say that it brought up some great discussions though, allowing us to talk about the lack of representation for people of colour in comics and to give well deserved props to artists like Sophie Campbell, who has done an amazing job in showcasing a broad range of bodies with her art in Jem and the Holograms.
It’s disappointing that they weren’t there to have a conversation or to listen to what we, and members of the audience, were saying. They wanted to stand up and have their say, but not to listen or try to understand the points of view other people in the room had. This was further proven by the video discussion they posted later last night, in which they mentioned our panel and that we were “donning the ball gowns of our victimhood”, which I’m not even entirely sure how to take. I will admit to not watching the whole video, and I think anyone who attempts to watch it would understand why.
I truly believe in freedom of speech, but coming to a panel with the entire purpose of derailing it and shooting down the voices on the panel isn’t constructive. It appears that was their plan for the expo, to come and to loudly take over the spaces of other people – although it was not violent or threatening, it’s disrespectful, disappointing and offers a prime example of why these panels need to exist in the first place.

While the speaker in question thinks the HoneyBadger people were not acting in good faith and were asking questions in the panel just to be heard (a subjective judgement which will probably be disputed by HB), she herself says that HB were not "violent or threatening", ergo I don't see why they should have been sanctioned by Calgary Expo. Regardless, it seems that HB were booted out not because of any complaints regarding what happened in the aforementioned panel, but rather because they dispalyed GG symbols in their booth:

Spoiler

Finally, I find it ironic that they SJWs decide to stand behind CE, considering that CE's twitter account has an image referencing Barney Stinson, a character from How I met your Mother whose entire schtick is seducing women to one night stand using PUA tactics. It doesn't offend me, but I don't think the same can be said in regards to PC thugs.

EDIT: The Barney Stinson shit is not seen clearly in the archived link I provided, so I'm providing a link to CE's Facebook page where they also display Stinson fanboyism.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

Jaimas, is true that the mainstream still hates video games and their fans, sadly. More annoying that the SJW love to play with the stereotypes (that's why they need to kill "gamers"* as a label) Still, I feel the difference between this and Jack Thopmson seems to be that gaming communities receives mixed messages internally. You cannot talk positive/neutral of GG in places like Gaf while Twitter have Devs and journos harassed by "progressive activists". The avarage gamer can see why the SJW is full of shit even if he agrees with some of his/her ideas, but GG seems to be more difficult to discern as many people still believes that Anita, Wu or Zoe are in a serious danger.

*thought, being honest, I agree with Jeff of GB that "gamers" was truly created concensous by corps as a label. I heart derision for that term since forever (and by people that would never be close to be SJW) and video game marketing didn't help matters. I would say Jeff expressed this better as a sketch than Leigh will ever be as an rant. The other difference it seems is that Patrick really wants to catch the NeoGamer hipster trend with wine and Solent while GB makes Mario Party videos with soda and nachos.

 

[Hodor]

I thought the Zoe is/was a goon stuff was know for a while. Or at least I remember appareing before here or in her ED page.

It was known that she had roots in SA (which has its tendrils everywhere), but we never managed to pinpoint an identity that linked her to Helldump.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Meh, GG never has a chance with mainstream media.

What do you think they'd rather push?

Corrupt media angle where they can implicate themselves

Or

Nerds hate woman and try to drive them out of the industry by harrasement and death threats.

 

[Ron Paul 2024]

the SJW have better reception in media than than GG even after all this debacles.

It's not a matter of reception - they ARE the media.

I find it ironic that they SJWs decide to stand behind CE

Seems more ironic that CE decided to stand with the SJWs, since they'll eventually be on the SJW hitlist for liking the wrong things.

Coutresy of the The Mary Sue (definitely not a source favorable to GG),

Holy crap, that entire article is basically "They disagree with us, how dare they?" The only bad thing they did seems to be talking too much from the audience during a panel, trying to make someone else's panel about them - a common problem at cons, and one I've never seem anyone kicked out of a con for. (Or even kicked out of a panel for, though people who do that sort of thing certainly deserve it. If these folks were just kicked out of the panel, I wouldn't be outraged.)
At least Mary Sue had the courtesy to quote Honey Badgers statement in it's entirety (it seems) so any neutral reader can see that they're not crazy evil mass murderers. Kudos to them for that, that's more honesty than I'm accustomed to seeing in SJW media.


>"The Calgary Expo is a positive and safe event for everyone."

Except for the people they kicked out for the crime of being outspoken women.

The avarage gamer can see why the SJW is full of shit even if he agrees with some of his/her ideas,

That describes most of the posters in this thread.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

It was known that she had roots in SA (which has its tendrils everywhere), but we never managed to pinpoint an identity that linked her to Helldump.

The twitter post about Helldump has been somewhat common knowledge for a while now, I saw it months ago.

 

[Jaimas]

Jaimas, is true that the mainstream still hates video games and their fans, sadly. More annoying that the SJW love to play with the stereotypes (that's why they need to kill "gamers"* as a label) Still, I feel the difference between this and Jack Thopmson seems to be that gaming communities receives mixed messages internally. You cannot talk positive/neutral of GG in places like Gaf while Twitter have Devs and journos harassed by "progressive activists". The avarage gamer can see why the SJW is full of shit even if he agrees with some of his/her ideas, but GG seems to be more difficult to discern as many people still believes that Anita, Wu or Zoe are in a serious danger.

*thought, being honest, I agree with Jeff of GB that "gamers" was truly created concensous by corps as a label. I heart derision for that term since forever (and by people that would never be close to be SJW) and video game marketing didn't help matters. I would say Jeff expressed this better as a sketch than Leigh will ever be as an rant. The other difference it seems is that Patrick really wants to catch the NeoGamer hipster trend with wine and Solent while GB makes Mario Party videos with soda and nachos.

The issue with giving thoughts about the professional victims unit the time of day about their harassment is very simple:

It's now easier to find a case of it that isn't a false-flag or trolling attempt than it is to find one that is. To date, Wu continues to list the FYAD threats and Jace Connors incident as credible threats, as does Quinn's contingent (including Margaret Pless). They're literally professional victims, and they will claim they're under harassment at all times. As we've seen from miss Wu, they don't need any actual evidence to claim this. They'll happily fabricate it. As Wu herself loves to do.

But see the thing is, GGers don't care if you don't agree with them, or even oppose them - so long as you do so honestly and with an actual reason that's not fucking stupid. There's plenty of things you can civilly say you can't support GG over - its anonymous nature making it open for abuse by trolls (accurate, though we've pointed out who the biggest trolls are multiple times), the fact that GG is so focused on punching the so-called SJWs (which sadly need to be fought, and really can't be disconnected from the rest of the issues) even after the initial ethics wins have been successful, and concerns over what the movement bodes as a whole for the rest of online advocacy (also valid) - but the thing is, your average GGer has no problem with neutrals, and no problem with respectful disagreers for that matter. There wouldn't be so many staunchly pro-GG commentators willing to have open discussions with the opposition's more sane members if there wasn't, and the Antis wouldn't have alienated so many normals for disagreeing with them if there wasn't.

Remember when Pakman interviewed Chu? It's the perfect microcosm of how the Antis feel about the issue as a whole: If you don't agree with them, you should not be allowed to speak. As someone who's on the left and politically active, let me give both sobering and encouraging news: These people are brutally active and highly effective on left-wing blogsites and groups at suppressing opines not their own - but they're not invincible, and it takes only a few sane heads to reach everyone else.

As for the label? It's fine. You clearly have your own opines on the label itself that stem from your own personal experiences and are doubtlessly well-grounded. I can respect that. Though I have to say you did give me the fucking funniest mental image in that post, and you earn a gold star for it.

Respect, MWC.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

I agree with that The fact that the average GG don't care about shamming neutrals is the reason why I think they will end standing over the current SJW and something I appreciate from them over "the progressives" .

 

[Ron Paul 2024]

These people aren't progressives, they're fascists claiming they're progressives.

 

[AnOminous]

I know I brought this up like 2 GG threads ago, but Gamergate lost the PR war in the mainstream press before any shots were fired. The mainstream press has always hated video games. They're competing media, and have had a longstanding, vested interests in seeing gaming as a whole marginalized. With games out-selling movies and becoming a dominant entertainment methodology, they're certainly not going to abandon that mindset now.

There wasn't anything to win with those guys, because the "war" is basically against them personally. Games journalism is just one part of a corrupt behemoth. You can't exactly expect them to welcome that message with open arms.

They've also always been willing to give a platform and credibility to people attacking videogames. Look at Jack Thompson. Even as a flat out raving lunatic and, for that matter, an outright criminal, he was treated as if he was as legitimate as the Surgeon General with his bullshit. Only when he actually got disbarred and disgraced did they stop dangling from his scrote.

In that context, using a freakshow like Wu as a source makes perfect sense.

 

[Watcher]

Totalbiscuit throws Moviebob under the bus

 

[Ron Paul 2024]

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Sargon is live with Milo.

 

[NegaCWC]

 

[_blank_]

Looks like Witcher 3 is back on my menu. Also, as odd and somewhat as it is to say, I'm glad someone that has made outlandish comments actually fessed up and said it was actually a douchey thing to do. I suppose time will tell however is this is going to be a half-hearted CWC-calibur apology.

 

[Red_Rager]

Looks like Witcher 3 is back on my menu. Also, as odd and somewhat as it is to say, I'm glad someone that has made outlandish comments actually fessed up and said it was actually a douchey thing to do. I suppose time will tell however is this is going to be a half-hearted CWC-calibur apology.

He kind of had to, if you look at the GG thread on http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/page145 he pissed some people off.

I highly doubt his response was out of the kindness of his heart.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

To me is more important that the CDP make him do it. Means that are not afraid of SJW dog piling and their actual audience is the same one that are going to buy the game Day 1

 

[StallChaser]

The apology is sort of like the blah blah Leigh Alexander disclosure. It counts that he had to do it, whether or not he actually meant it. It's a victory in the sense of someone being called out on his bullshit and held responsible. For anyone to continue bitching, try to get him fired, or try to hang it over his head forever, is to be basically the same as the SJWs.

 

[Watcher]

A user named @Jomadre posted something about Gamergate in the Unpopular opinions about video games thread. Rather than derail that thread I'll post my rebuttal to his post here.

I have a very unpopular opinion. Both sides on the "gamergate" issue are equally retarded.

That's not an unpopular opinion on this forum, nor on the internet.

You can say "women involved in gaming receive a disproportionate amount of violence and threats" and you can also say "Gaming journalism is an utter joke" and they're both 100% correct. And they're both sane positions to take.

Everyone on the internet gets threats.

Anita Sarkeesian (anti gamer gate) got a car bomb threat and Milo Yiannopoulos (pro gamer gate) got sent a syringe and a dead animal.

The problem here is that the arguments they are using toward "harassment and threats" are things everyone on the internet gets. Like some random person on twitter saying he's going to kill you. You can use the same argument toward homosexuals, blacks and other minority groups and be equally right. Is it a good thing? Absolutely not. Is it something worth justifying censorship over? No it is not. Yet women get singled out as "needing defending" when on the reverse they claim they are portrayed that way in video games.

I do not believe you can stop threats on the internet, or harassment. It is not possible. What you can stop is people reacting to them and encouraging more of them. The vast, vast, vast majority of threats on the internet are done entirely to try and scare a person and get them to react to it. All these people do is use threats as ways to get more people to pay attention to them.

As for game journalism is an utter joke, yes that is something people agree with. The problem is that game journalism still has a great deal of power in the game industry and has influenced games for the worse in the past.

You can agree with both things, guys and gals...

Tell that to the social justice warriors. They are the ones who refuse to even have a discussion.

There are more than two side to any subject, and it's possible that two people on opposing sides can be wrong at the same time for different reasons. In fact, it's likely that both sides are wrong if emotions are involved.

You've yet to state any particular reason why a particular side is wrong. Other than it's likely.

Other than that I fully agree there are more than two sides to a particular debate but not that one is incorrect because emotions are involved. Emotions are always involved in any debate.

 

[HG 400]

> Both sides are retarded
> "Unpopular opinion"