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Not true, there is a way to do 'add-ons', Alterna used it on their Christmas campaign it saved me quite a bit in shipping.

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Not every tier is an add-on. When you set up your campaign you can add certain things as add-ons, but that's not a very common thing.

What I'm talking about is like this: If you had wanted to back my previous indiegogo Secret Comics Presents and wanted the regular tier plus the original art tier. Indiegogo does NOT let you combine those purchases, because even though they get the same %, they get that $0.30 x2 because you had to back it twice, instead of letting you purchase both of those together.

Original art could not be an "add on" for us, because we made it a specific tier, and there's only so much to go around. An ashcan could be an add on, sure, or smaller things, but not everything.
 
they get the same %, they get that $0.30 x2 because you had to back it twice

Just to correct numbers it's 2.9%+30c for each transaction.

Original art could not be an "add on" for us, because we made it a specific tier, and there's only so much to go around. An ashcan could be an add on, sure, or smaller things, but not everything.

Now I understand why something like original art which has a hard limit might not be able to be an add-on but you are able to have tiers which are limited be add-ons, such as the one I backed on 12 days of alterna (see below). There is also backerkit but I don't know if it works with IGG. With KS where you can pledge an extra amount on a tier and then after the campaign closes you get a link to backerkit where you have what you originally backed plus extra credit equal to the amount you over backed by to get add-ons. The White Widow Guy uses it.

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The add-on version was even $2 cheaper.
 
I'm just checking because your next tweet, you either didn't know how credits worked, or you're blind.
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babs tarr is on the twitter radar due to the BLM riots, she did some After Adam Hughes art, maybe you can snake into her mentions also:
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Point is, credited swiping has always been part and parcel in the comic book industry.
Babbs didn''t trace that.

Gilmore did.
 
That's all you need to know about @FROG

There's a reason I compare CyberFrog to having the look and feel of a Michael Bay movie: it's because it's designed to aim for that. All flash, no substance. However, CyberFrog does not have the following, nostalgia, nor the merchandise factor that Transformers or TMNT did. Not even close to the popularity. Todd McFarlene's new Spawn movie has been in development for years, and he's always confirmed it's still coming, even now. If Todd McFarlene, someone who's had animated works, a movie, a huge toyline, and long running source material to pull from hasn't been able to lift off his new movie off the ground yet, in what world will CyberFrog achieve that unless it's through some shady backdoor type deal that is insincere (although, that is Hollywood in a nutshell), and who will open that door for him? Adam Friended seems like an errand boy more than anything, like many have stated. Doug T. was his ticket. And he blew that chance away himself.

I feel that this is the reason he brought Dan Fraga into the fold, he has actual experience working in Hollywood and unlike with Doug, Ethan's known Dan a long time.
 
I feel that this is the reason he brought Dan Fraga into the fold, he has actual experience working in Hollywood and unlike with Doug, Ethan's known Dan a long time.

Good point. Does Fragga have any stroke in Hollywood?

From his IMDB profile it looks like he was a small time animation director.

Tim Seeley just got Ethan Van Sciver to donate $600 to a Marxist revolutionary black racial identitarian group.

@FROG is the wannabe George Soros of comics.

What a colossal faggot.
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Good point. Does Fragga have any stroke in Hollywood?

From his IMDB profile it looks like he was a small time animation director.


Tim Seeley just got Ethan Van Sciver to donate $600 to a Marxist revolutionary black racial identitarian group.

@FROG is the wannabe George Soros of comics.

What a colossal faggot.
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Fraga did a 4-hour Rekieta stream last night and its great. His primary income for the past several year comes from TV and movie production. Mainly storyboarding but that gave him all kinds of access and influence to everyone in the entire production chain from start to finish. He's very connected.


100% drama-free stream. It was a nice break.
 
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Good point. Does Fragga have any stroke in Hollywood?
He directed Ricky Gervais's show on HBO, so he must have made some good connections, I recommend checking out his interview on Rekieta from 2 nights back, he goes into detail about his career and I kind of feel he might named dropped some big names, but I can't recall.
Fraga did a 4-hour Rekieta stream last night and its great. His primary income for the past several year comes from TV and movie production. Mainly storyboarding but that gave him all kinds of access to everyone in the entire production chain from start to finish. He's very connected.

Beat me to it
 
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It looks like Fraga's career in Hollywood was a season of very simple animation on a Ricky Gervaise vehicle and a bunch of low budget Brats knockoff toy promo toons for Mattel.

I don't think Fraga's likely to help Ethan get anything greenlit unless he has blackmail material on someone with some actual stroke in Hollywood or Mattel wants to buy the CyberFrog IP outright and Ethan is willing to sell it.
 
The only real question is whether this was an official op of Warcampaign leadership or someone outside the "core command" pursuing their own agenda but possessing a solid idea of WC's internal structure. Both are plausible. I have a few pieces of evidence that have led me to this conclusion:

At 2:19 in the video uploaded on to @VIkkiVerse 's channel, Praetorian mentions Sketch Therapy as the favored scapegoat and pariah for Warcampaign operations because they can "get him to do things" while plausibly denying culpability as "Sketch is not a member of Warcampaign". Praetorian doesn't spell it out but there's the unstated lack of stability on Sketch's part making any outlandish conspiracies on his part be dismissed as the claims of an unwell man. To indicate how effective this tactic was, to quote Frog, "Sketch is a conspiracy theorist". Now, Liam is also "adjacent" to Warcampaign while independent, also open to conspiracy theories and thus also ideal as someone who can be used and discarded while maintaining plausible deniability.

All this starts a couple weeks before the first episode of Live with Liam when Sketch Therapy broke the WC conditioning and escaped the containment zone he was placed in because, in Panboy's words, that he's "become a bit of a starfucker", which could and should be read as possessing loyalties to people like Frog and Malin instead of Warcampaign in the pre-existing cold war between the JACK show and WC. Sketch did not understand why a group nominally in Comicsgate would treat loyalty to people like Jon Malin as grounds for suspicion, but any alarms Sketch Therapy raised to the outside world dismissed because they're coming from the pariah that is Sketch. However, Sketch's wildly stochastic behavior did eliminate him as a usable asset by Warcampaign, at least according to the Praetorian theory. #freesketch

According to Liam, it was immediately after the Jon Malin/Rob Cacey incident that he was contacted by the mysterious anonymous hacker. There are two plausible explanations for this: one, the person was out of the loop regarding Sketch and the situation regarding Jon Malin and only became aware of it on Liam's show, implying that the hacker was not on the inside track as the leaders logically would have activated their backup asset, Liam, as soon as Sketch removed himself from the board. However, the alternate explanation is that WC ringleaders could not have reasonably anticipated Jon Malin's meltdown on Liam's show and were activating Liam to launder their kompromat on unnamed targets presumably in a similar way that Sketch was.

While both are prone to conspiratorial thinking in a way that makes them vulnerable, Liam is hardly interchangeable with Sketch Therapy. The blunt methods of giving Liam a hammer and directing him towards an enemy did not work; Liam and his lofty goals to end the nebulous "conflict" even he was able to perceive while isolated and redeem Comicsgate would not be helped by airing out personal information, the "CG nuclear codes" if you will, and he sat on it.

But the most telling bit of circumstantial evidence though is when the demands and attempts to shut down Liam and his show coincide with the rapid disintegration of Warcampaign's influence within Comicsgate generally and Liam specifically due to intervention by Frog. The first attempt at logging into Liam's account that he mentioned on-air was on Comicsgate Core #4, the episode immediately following the Frog/Panboy implosion and official declaration of Ro and Pan no longer being CG and Liam's declaration that he was stepping away from the drama and refusing to launder material after all. Considering how well this all worked for the manipulator's faction and unable to take it out on any of the other parties, it's not hard to imagine.

For any members of Warcampaign reading this, I'd be extremely careful about clicking links or accepting files on your discord if I were you. And this warning is doubled if you're merely visiting the place now that it's open.
Another brilliant post by you good sir, naturally Warcampaign was my number 1 suspect for the "anonymous" group/individual who was contacting Liam. I'm still puzzled why WC just doesn't dump what they have here? This thread is lurked by CG, OGCG, anti-CG and many others, surely it would have close to the same effect, then trickle onto twitter and eventually youtube.

Does Warcampaign fear the Kiwi?
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Yeah. I agree. SGM doesn't want to offend Ethan's fanbase as there is certainly crossover where crowdfunding is concerned. Ethan's passive aggressive "critiques" of SGM seem designed to praise SGM while suggesting to the fans that SGM shouldn't be supported by CG and isn't the brave culture warrior that Ethan is. FROG wants the prestige that would come with CG poaching a major A-lister like SGM but he doesn't want the competition in the movement as SGM would eclipse Ethan on several fronts and possibly even hurt his bottom line as well as his ego.
Funny how Ethan's passive aggressiveness towards SGM really took off after I pointed out this tweet to him in this thread about 3 weeks ago.
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Whatever narrative Ethan is building, it can't compete with the negatives of associating yourself with him. Don't know what Praetorian means, or if the warning was real, but he did say that Law Enforcement is getting involved at the end of his video.
I actually forgot that Praetorian mentioned that, Ethan discarding Warcampaign occurred mere days after that video dropped. Perhaps the whole Anna/Cecil/Malin rouse is a cover? WC vs Anna/Cecil/Malin had been raging for weeks prior and Ethan didn't seem to care.
Also, is the page count for Vestige2 listed anywhere? They don't seem to mention how long it is on their campaign page.
I assume it would be 48 pages similar to the first issue.
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The Frog suddenly changed his named to "Humble Frog Merchant" from "LORD CAESAR". What's he got? Bipolar Disorder? Split Personalities? And what's this fake optimism for Doug all of the sudden? Or is it a set up in case EWJ 2 doesn't do as well as the first one, and he could roll back on that claim (because we know Ethan's bad at estimation)? Either ways, I'm not buying any of his pretenses towards Doug so far.

EDIT: Also, Liam's first headline when it comes to promoting his book today is that his page count is higher than Doug's:
Ethan has been slagging Doug off for nearly a year now, doing everything he can to denigrate Doug in Comicsgate's eyes and impact his campaigns. Why the turnabout face now? I actually doubt Doug's EJW2 will replicate the success of the first campaign and I'm a fan/supporter of Doug T myself.

Liam Gray comparing his book to Bigfoot Bill 2's page count is pointless, it's really about price per page, in terms of value to the backer.

*BFB1/BFB2 - $25 for 160 pages (full color) - $25/160= 0.16 cents per page.
*Xenotype - $48 for 200 pages (Black&White) - $48/200= 0.24 cents per page.
*Xenotype - $75 for 200 pages (full color) - $75/200= 0.37 cents per page.

Comparing the full color Xenotype graphic novel to BFB1 or BFB2, the price per page is more than double for Xenotype.
The Vestige2 campaign was obviously rushed together and quickly thrown up to cover for the CGJumpstart collapse. The reason I was asking for the page count is because they have 48 pages of original art for sale as a premium but on their stream last night Gat mentioned they're currently drawing one of the double-page spreads. Are they going to cut it in half and sell each half to different backers?
I think it was merely an oversight on their behalf, they clearly rushed together the campaign and didn't take into account that double-page spreads would take up 2 pages of original art. Maybe they would be dumb enough to sell a double-page spread to two separate backers though, who knows?
 
Fraga did a 4-hour Rekieta stream last night and its great. His primary income for the past several year comes from TV and movie production. Mainly storyboarding but that gave him all kinds of access and influence to everyone in the entire production chain from start to finish. He's very connected.


100% drama-free stream. It was a nice break.

Fraga is just another useful idiot. He'll be joining all the others in exile as soon as he has out lived his usefulness.
 
It looks like Fraga's career in Hollywood was a season of very simple animation on a Ricky Gervaise vehicle and a bunch of low budget Brats knockoff toy promo toons for Mattel.

I don't think Fraga's likely to help Ethan get anything greenlit unless he has blackmail material on someone with some actual stroke in Hollywood or Mattel wants to buy the CyberFrog IP outright and Ethan is willing to sell it.
You couldn't be bothered to type his name into IMDB? I count over 30 TV/film credits:

 
Fraga is just another useful idiot. He'll be joining all the others in exile as soon as he has out lived his usefulness.
Fraga is more aware then he lets on, but likes to play up being an oblivious stoner when people try to bait him into e-fights since he's here to indulge his passions to be a comic creator and entertainer and not that.
 
You couldn't be bothered to type his name into IMDB? I count over 30 TV/film credits:

I looked him up. Nine director credits. Eight of which are Mattel toy properties. All low budget toy promo stuff.

I don't think his 18 credits for "Art Department" mean he has any stroke to help anyone get a meeting with a decision maker.

Also, he "co-directed" all those Mattel movies which means he wasn't likely the lead on them but rather the animation director.
 
Just to correct numbers it's 2.9%+30c for each transaction.



Now I understand why something like original art which has a hard limit might not be able to be an add-on but you are able to have tiers which are limited be add-ons, such as the one I backed on 12 days of alterna (see below). There is also backerkit but I don't know if it works with IGG. With KS where you can pledge an extra amount on a tier and then after the campaign closes you get a link to backerkit where you have what you originally backed plus extra credit equal to the amount you over backed by to get add-ons. The White Widow Guy uses it.

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The add-on version was even $2 cheaper.
Indiegogo and Stripe together take 8% $0.30 per backer.
 
So I have a question for those more in the loop than I am regarding Fraga’s Black Flag campaign. I noticed he posted some art by Pat Lee on the campaign page. Exactly what is Pat Lee’s involvement with the book? He doesn’t seem to be listed as part of the creative team

Pat Lee being involved would be a HUGE issue since, for those unaware, Lee was responsible for the bankruptcy of Dreamwave Productions in the early 2000’s. A career tank that was preceded by him not paying his creative teams because he had spent all the money on stupid bullshit. Having a career scammer on your crowdfund is a bad look. Not to mention his art has always been hot garbage.
 
You couldn't be bothered to type his name into IMDB? I count over 30 TV/film credits:


Looks at list

Sees that Fraga worked on Dragonball Evolution
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That MAGGOT! He is part of the problem with movies making sub par stories and story boards.
He went from "Meh" to "Repulsive"
 
I looked him up. Nine director credits. Eight of which are Mattel toy properties. All low budget toy promo stuff.

I don't think his 18 credits for "Art Department" mean he has any stroke to help anyone get a meeting with a decision maker.
The overwhelming majority of "Hollywood" people never touch blockbusters, instead making their livings on lower-budget stuff.

According to the Rekieta stream he spent 5 years with Mattel as the head liason between the studios, the toy company and the manufacturers making sure the studio's vision was translated into a manufactured product that could turn a profit. That seems like pretty valuable experience for the next evolution in CG just on the toy side (ignoring the TV/film stuff). I can't think of anyone who comes close and I'm willing to bet the secret sculptors working with Frog right now are from Fraga connects.

Another thing about Fraga is that he doesn't need to peddle his funny books to feed his family, it's something he wants to try with his old IP. He's done pretty well for himself and doesn't need the BS drama that the others must invent.


Looks at list. Sees that Fraga worked on Dragonball Evolution

He told that story too. Apparently right when filming started a trailer for a similar Jackie Chan movie came out, scared the studio into doing an emergency rewrite - in the middle of the Hollywood writers strike - and sent a junior studio accounting executive to do the rewrite which turned into a complete shitshow.
 
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