Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Michael Jacks0n]

You think...maybe...JUST MAYBE the sudden surge in Covid-19 cases has something to do with international protests and rioting? Naaaahhh, it's racism and early reopenings.

Of course the left wants to point to the incubation period as the smoking gun for the culprit of any new cases, but you'd have to be retarded to think the reopenings alone are the only source, considering the anti-lockdown protests and the gradual reopenings are pale in comparison to the massive crowds of BLM protesters. Sure, the states reopening may be a catalyst, but the BLM protests are dumping gasoline on the fire. In other words, even if the reinfections were caused by the premature openings, the BLM protests/riots will only accelerate it to infinity and beyond.

 

[Peace and Harmony]

Sensationalist bullshit as always. Even without the protests it's obvious that cases would "spike" as people get back to interacting with each other and as widespread testing continues to ramp up. What matters is whether or not it's bad enough to overwhelm society or the healthcare system. The answer - consistent for months - continues to be fuck no.

Pretty much my only concern is a worst-of-all-worlds near-term outcome, which to me looks like:

1. Cases do spike significantly (especially in the cities) but not in a way that causes any threatening damage, and
2. Local governments freak out and decide to go back to send everyone the fuck back indoors.

At that point, it will become very hard to erase the perception that people of a very specific political persuasion (and also nogs) got to go out and have fun (steal shit) and all the rest of us are being punished for their chimpout, whether such a perception is justified or not. This is far from being an Amerifat-exclusive problem btw. Everyone's got a fucking phone to watch this shit for themselves.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

After the protests and the riots, its going to be hard enough to justify keeping the shutdown going.

 

[Never Scored]

Of course the left wants to point to the incubation period as the smoking gun for the culprit of any new cases, but you'd have to be retarded to think the reopenings alone are the only source, considering the anti-lockdown protests and the gradual reopenings are pale in comparison to the massive crowds of BLM protesters.

I hate how people harp on the two week thing. The incubation period is up to 14 days, not 14 days every time. The median estimate is 5-6 days. If a bunch of people caught the virus in the riots a week ago, half of them would be showing symptoms by now. If the openings were a disaster you'd start to know within a week.

 

[BeboRefugee]

Aussies

This is from FT- archive

"On Saturday, Beijing fired the latest salvo in its battle with Canberra when its ministry of culture and tourism issued a travel warning to its citizens, saying there had been a “significant increase” in racist attacks on “Chinese and Asian people” because of Covid-19.
It did not provide any evidence of such attacks, although there have been anecdotal instances of racist incidents against Asians in Australia in recent months.
Canberra has rejected the allegations of increased racist attacks, adding that the claim had “no basis in fact”.

If Australians were even 10% as well-informed and passionate about geopolitics as its enemies accuse them of, I'd actually be inclined to emigrate there

 

[Otterly]

I hate how people harp on the two week thing. The incubation period is up to 14 days, not 14 days every time. The median estimate is 5-6 days. If a bunch of people caught the virus in the riots a week ago, half of them would be showing symptoms by now. If the openings were a disaster you'd start to know within a week.

Two weeks is about the time people start to go downhill to the point of needing hospital care, so that’s when they start showing up and you are able to get concrete death stats going. Up to then yes they will have symptoms but they may be not bad enough to seek help.
But yes, we aren’t seeing any huge spikes where I am, so it seems like it’s Ok.

 

[Never Scored]

Two weeks is about the time people start to go downhill to the point of needing hospital care, so that’s when they start showing up and you are able to get concrete death stats going. Up to then yes they will have symptoms but they may be not bad enough to seek help.
But yes, we aren’t seeing any huge spikes where I am, so it seems like it’s Ok.

I'm basing the idea of knowing if there's a spike related to the riots after about a week on my jurisdiction where they're telling people who develop any symptoms whatsoever to go to a testing site and health Canada's stance that the median time for developing initial symptoms is under a week, not necessarily hospitalizations.

*Edit* I don't disagree that hospitalizations is probably a better measure, though. I'm not trying to start a gay slapfight or anything.

 

[MediocreMilt]

The state board of canvassers has approved a petition to recall Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D). This is the third attempt by Albion, Michigan man Chad Baase, age 39.

Literal Based Chad versus Governor Karen.

Don't let your memes be dreams

 

[Simpadoo]

I'm basing the idea of knowing if there's a spike related to the riots after about a week on my jurisdiction where they're telling people who develop any symptoms whatsoever to go to a testing site and health Canada's stance that the median time for developing initial symptoms is under a week, not necessarily hospitalizations.

*Edit* I don't disagree that hospitalizations is probably a better measure, though. I'm not trying to start a gay slapfight or anything.

What. Exactly. Is. The. Downside. Of. These. Protestor. Cucks. Dying?

 

[Never Scored]

It proves the nanny state correct for enforcing lockdowns.

 

[feral cat #6385]

Why did so many people hate the anti-lockdown protestors but love the current ones? I would say it’s political but why wouldn’t people want things to go back before the virus.

Because most normies lack critical thought and are assigned their opinions by the media.

What. Exactly. Is. The. Downside. Of. These. Protestor. Cucks. Dying?

Quite frankly I can't think of one. Darwinism in action.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Heyoo. So lots of fucking shit going on internationally I can barely keep up with. But let me give you the national rundown:
1-Stocks had a decent run until today where all of fucking europe plummeted and this time took down spain right to the bottom. Greece is still proving to be the most resilient country over here and I am equal parts confused and amazed by that.

2-new normal decree has been passed by congress so there will be some restrictions past lockdown until congress passes another decree deciding they won't be needed. Said restrictions are mostly just on safe distance for multitudinary congregations, added hygiene and safety protocols for closed spaces (like extra air cleaning shit) and general manipulation of most things, including supermarkets (gloves for everyone!) And the only one that actually affects people seems to be masks on closed public spaces and crowds. And it's already being completwly fucking ignored with no one enforcing it outside of like state offices and shit like that. Where they give you the masks if you don't have one anyway, so whoooo gives a shit. For the most part it's actually sensible and as always we can just not pay attention to our assholes in chief for the negative parts, so I'd say it's a very spanish law.

3-Balear Islands just went and oppened the doors to german tourism. Specifically german tourism. So hello krauts I guess. Well germans always did drive balear economy, so it makes sense. Pity we don't have a version of "bienvenido mister marshall" for krauts. Yet.

Edit, 4- Spanish UBI has gotten fucking hiarious now for 3 reasons. First is that the attempts by Vox to try to claim the government is communistic for it have been directly met with people pointing out the aid that will gwt cancelled because of it, which was approved by right wing autonomic governments thhe past years, with help from vox, and which actually wasted more money than the UBI will. Fucking kek. Secondly, the proposals for UBI outside of spain are ALL more wasteful per person than ours, so ultrakek at the globalist capitalists being bigger commies than our actual commies. Free Market Communism strikes once more! And finally. The catholic Episcopado (basically bishop lobby) just to bitch have stated the government must add pro-family measures to UBI to reinforce our values. Thing is, UBI is measured by family and gives added benefits per member of family already over here. So their official communicate has been universaly met with: "Can you read?" Fucking hilarious. I swear I was so weary of the UBI but I'm loving every second of the circus.

 

[TexOffender]

Well Vegas is open again but some people are being careful.

 

[Simpadoo]

It proves the nanny state correct for enforcing lockdowns.

But they didn’t: they encouraged the magic negro protection force field doctrine. Even WHO got on the bandwagon.

 

[Never Scored]

But they didn’t: they encouraged the magic negro protection force field doctrine. Even WHO got on the bandwagon.

Regardless, if a bunch of people get sick they're going to use it as an excuse to lock everyone down again.

 

[FuckedUp]

On the flipside of the Stanford debacle, it looks like online STEM summer classes are a huge positive at average state schools like mine. I checked the past few years' worth of summer CS and Math class listings at my school and noticed pretty much every course has way more students enrolled than in other years; for instance, Calculus III usually has 70-80 students per summer, but this year it has nearly 150.

 

[Cat Menagerie]

Well I found out my relative in Louisiana who died of COVID complications had aortic valve replacement about a decade ago, so now I'm back to knowing zero healthy people who died of it.

Given the latest information or whatever it is from WHO, it seems timely. I'm just glad that our shutdown wasn't as drastic as some places so our economic recovery should be more favorable.

I went to the grocery store earlier--it was pretty busy for a Tuesday. Almost nobody was wearing masks or social distancing. People don't give a shit anymore.

 

[Every Crook and Nanny]

Finally decided to share the WuFlu happenings in my country.

Today's the day we transitioned from what we called the Movement Control Order (a semi-lockdown of sorts) to a recovery phase where we're basically reopening nearly all businesses with added SOPs to maintain hygiene and control transmissions, and interstate travel is finally allowed, so the tourism industry is finally getting the breath of relief they need. Life is close to returning to normal. A new normal, but as normal as it can get.

As of today, we've had 8338 cases with 7000+ having recovered and only 118 deaths with daily new cases now down to the single-digits, thanks to us largely behaving properly and maintaining social distancing. Guess it's an Asian thing.

Though I feel for you Americans thanks to the ridiculous tomfoolery of the joggers and guaranteeing the dumpster fire that is the second wave.

 

[Never Scored]

Finally decided to share the WuFlu happenings in my country.

Today's the day we transitioned from what we called the Movement Control Order (a semi-lockdown of sorts) to a recovery phase where we're basically reopening nearly all businesses with added SOPs to maintain hygiene and control transmissions, and interstate travel is finally allowed, so the tourism industry is finally getting the breath of relief they need. Life is close to returning to normal. A new normal, but as normal as it can get.

As of today, we've had 8338 cases with 7000+ having recovered and only 118 deaths with daily new cases now down to the single-digits, thanks to us largely behaving properly and maintaining social distancing. Guess it's an Asian thing.

Though I feel for you Americans thanks to the ridiculous tomfoolery of the joggers and guaranteeing the dumpster fire that is the second wave.

It's difficult because the constitutions in both America and Canada guarantee some degree of personal liberty, including the right to peaceful assembly. These rights are more ingrained in our respective cultures than in most other cultures worldwide, though obviously to a greater degree in the US than in Canada, and the public places a great deal of value on those rights and its a constant fight to keep big government types from infringing on them.

I don't know how it works in the US, but there is a clause in the Canadian Charter or Rights and Freedoms that allows parts of the constitution to be suspended if it is in some way rationally related to a pressing public need. Government legislation that breaks the constitution regularly gets challenged and struck down in court when the government is unable to show a rational, logical connection between the legislation and a pressing public need. In this way, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms acts as a way for the judicial branch to keep the legislative and executive branches of the Canadian government and provincial governments in check. There are a wave of supreme court cases coming up later this summer challenging various measures put in place over the course of the pandemic, including one in my province which only allows residents of the island I live on the enter the island I live on, violating section 6 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms which guarantees freedom of movement within Canada.

I don't know what particular country you live in, but in this part of the world the government has to tread carefully with regards to suspending personal liberties. I'd personally rather have those protections in place than suspend personal liberty because the health care system isn't competent enough to control who goes in and out of old folks homes where the vast majority of deaths have taken place in Canada.


I don't live in the US and honestly don't give a flying fuck about the US police or George Floyd, so don't take this as support for the protests or riots.

 

[HonsPonzud]

Hey, look, just as "predicted" by many other nurses speaking out during the pandemic, that they really were killing people for profit. another Nurse blows the whistle (you might say it's easier / less risky after the whole thing is basically over) :

Documentary on this :