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Isn't it plaquenil? I remember some patients hated it because they had vision tests, supposedly if you weren't checking you'd lose peripheral view without even noticing. One day you'd realize you're seeing everything thru toilet paper tubes. Lots of old folks seemed to blow it off.

Everyone I've spoken to in medicine is hating life, routinely told, even after repeated exposure, presenting symptoms, that they can't take off until they know the shift is done. It could well ruin a hospital to be severely short handed and no one would ever come back. It's too bad, most of the people I worked on could use a quick way to shuffle on out of life. Pretty much everyone in the west over 65 is held together with arcane, dark magic and zombie science.

Plaquenil is one of its commercial names. And yes it has some... worrysome side effects, specially when treatment is prolongued. Still for severe cases it works so if it saves lifes, you know, better slightly worse for wear than dead. But I assure you most world leaders aren't taking it while not sick. It would be very visibly apparent if they were.

Honestly, spanish healthcare workers are quite jumpy at this point. Not because of the disease but by the sheer level of rape coming from directives. Some autonomies even got a fucking pay cut IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING PANDEMIC. There's a special place in hell for whoever had that idea... cutting the nurses pay when most are getting sick due to lack of PPE. Even worse here in Cadiz they're getting privatized due to the corruption from Los Pascualed. Yeah let's just say they're not happy. Threats of violence have already occured. Honestly, only reason we're not in strike is we know it would destroy the economy and unlike the americans we aren't insane enough to pull that trigger. But peaceful protests are already happening, so, we'll see if it gets fixed...
 
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COVID-19 is not really a "pneumonia". It's a form of endotheliitis that spreads through the bloodstream to all the vital organs. It kills by causing severe inflammation, oxidative stress, and blood clots, and eventually causes pulmonary edema, ARDS, sepsis, and multiple organ failure.
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Good thing it's not my opinion, then.

It is the opinion of thousands of scientists and medical professionals who have studied this disease in detail.



Complications – Common complications of COVID-19-related ARDS include acute kidney injury (AKI), elevated liver enzymes, and cardiac injury including cardiomyopathy, pericarditis, pericardial effusion, arrhythmia, and sudden cardiac death. As an example, in a single-center retrospective cohort from China of 52 critically ill patients with COVID-19, complications included AKI (29 percent; half of whom needed renal replacement therapy), liver dysfunction (29 percent), and cardiac injury (23 percent) [11].

•Cardiac injury appears to be a late complication, developing after the respiratory illness improves. A high rate of cardiomyopathy was noted in a United States cohort (33 percent), and may relate to the older age in that population [22]. In another United States cohort in New York City, cardiac complications among mechanically ventilated patients included atrial arrhythmias (18 percent), myocardial infarction (8 percent), and heart failure (2 percent) [30]. One case series reported five patients who developed acute cor pulmonale, most of which occurred in association with hemodynamic instability or cardiac arrest [35]. All cases were thought to be most likely due to pulmonary embolism (PE), although a definitive diagnosis of PE was confirmed in only one case. Cardiac complications of COVID-19 are discussed in detail elsewhere. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Myocardial injury" and "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Arrhythmias and conduction system disease" and "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Myocardial infarction and other coronary artery disease issues".)

•Sepsis, shock, and multi-organ failure do occur but appear to be less common when compared with non-COVID-19-related ARDS. The need for vasoactive agents is variable, although a significant proportion need vasopressor support for hypotension (often due to sedation medications or cardiac dysfunction). In the cohort study from Wuhan, China, 35 percent of 52 patients received vasoactive agents [11]. In contrast, in the case series from New York City, 95 percent of the 130 patients who received mechanical ventilation required vasopressor support; the reasons for this were not specified [30].

•As above, acute kidney injury is common among critically ill patients with COVID-19, and many require renal replacement therapy. This is discussed in detail elsewhere. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Issues related to kidney disease and hypertension", section on 'Acute kidney injury'.)

•Data on the risk of secondary bacterial pneumonia are limited, but it does not appear to be a major feature of COVID-19. In a cohort of intubated patients from China, hospital-acquired pneumonia, in many cases with resistant pathogens, was reported in 12 percent [11]. This finding may be related to the high use of glucocorticoids for ARDS management in China. Further data are needed to elucidate the rate of superinfection in other countries.

•Lung compliance is high compared with other etiologies of ARDS and the rate of barotrauma appears to be low with only 2 percent developing pneumothorax, compared with 25 percent of those with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) [11,36]. There are limited data describing the lung pathology in patients with COVID-19. Case reports from post mortem cases and patients undergoing biopsy for another reason suggest a wide variation from mononuclear inflammation to diffuse alveolar damage, classic of ARDS [37,38]. (See "Acute respiratory distress syndrome: Epidemiology, pathophysiology, pathology, and etiology in adults", section on 'Pathologic stages'.)

•Neurologic complications in critically ill patients are common, especially delirium or encephalopathy which manifests with prominent agitation and confusion along with corticospinal tract signs (hyperreflexia). Consistent with this, intensivists have observed that sedation requirements are high in this population, particularly immediately after intubation. In one series of 58 patients with COVID-19-related ARDS, delirium/encephalopathy was present in approximately two-thirds of patients [39]. In addition, three of 13 patients who had brain MRI had an acute ischemic stroke; eight MRI studies demonstrated leptomeningeal enhancement. Cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) in seven patients was acellular and only one had elevated CSF protein; PCR assays of CSF were negative for the virus. It is unclear whether the neurologic complications noted in this and other reports are due to critical illness, medication effects, or represent more direct effects of cytokines or the SARS-CoV-2 virus [39-41]. Encephalitis, while reported, is rare [42]. Similarly, Guillain-Barré-barre syndrome following SARS-CoV-2 virus infection has also been described in a small case series [43].

•COVID-coagulopathy is common in this population with some patients developing abnormal coagulation profiles and others developing thrombosis. These features are discussed separately. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Hypercoagulability".)



Severe Disease
Some patients with COVID-19 will have severe disease requiring hospitalization for management. Inpatient management revolves around the supportive management of the most common complications of severe COVID-19: pneumonia, hypoxemic respiratory failure/ARDS, sepsis and septic shock, cardiomyopathy and arrhythmia, acute kidney injury, and complications from prolonged hospitalization, including secondary bacterial infections, thromboembolism, gastrointestinal bleeding, and critical illness polyneuropathy/myopathy.1,4-6,10,11,38,66-69

More information can be found at National Institutes of Health: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Treatment Guidelinesexternal icon and Healthcare Professionals: Frequently Asked Questions and Answers. Additional resources and guidance documents on the treatment and management of COVID-19, including inpatient management of critically ill patients, are provided below.

Hypercoagulability and COVID-19
Some patients with COVID-19 may develop signs of a hypercoagulable state and be at increased risk for venous and arterial thrombosis of large and small vessels.70,71 Laboratory abnormalities commonly observed among hospitalized patients with COVID-19-associated coagulopathy include:

  • Mild thrombocytopenia
  • Increased D-dimer levels
  • Increased fibrin degradation products
  • Prolonged prothrombin time
Elevated D-dimer levels have been strongly associated with greater risk of death.70,72-75

There are several reports of hospitalized patients with thrombotic complications, most frequently deep venous thrombosis and pulmonary embolism.76-78 Other reported manifestations include:

  • Microvascular thrombosis of the toes
  • Clotting of catheters
  • Myocardial injury with ST-segment elevation
  • Large vessel strokes79-82
The pathogenesis for COVID-19-associated hypercoagulability remains unknown. However, hypoxia and systemic inflammation secondary to COVID-19 may lead to high levels of inflammatory cytokines83 and activation of the coagulation pathway.

There are limited data available to inform clinical management around prophylaxis or treatment of venous thromboembolism in COVID-19 patients.

Several national professional associations provide resources for up-to-date information concerning COVID-19-associated hypercoagulability, including management of anticoagulation. This is a rapidly evolving topic, with new information released often.

More information on hypercoagulability and COVID-19 is available from the American Society of Hematologyexternal icon and National Institutes of Health: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Treatment Guidelines – Antithrombotic Therapy in Patients with COVID-19external icon.



During homeostasis, the endothelium, surrounded by mural cells (pericytes), maintains vascular integrity and barrier function. It prevents inflammation by limiting EC–immune cell and EC–platelet interactions and inhibits coagulation by expressing coagulation inhibitors and blood clot-lysing enzymes and producing a glycocalyx (a protective layer of glycoproteins and glycolipids) with anti-coagulation properties2,3. Interestingly, recent studies using single-cell transcriptomics revealed endothelial phenotypes that exhibit immunomodulatory transcriptomic signatures typical for leukocyte recruitment, cytokine production, antigen presentation and even scavenger activity4. Compared with ECs from other organs, lung ECs are enriched in transcriptomic signatures indicating immunoregulation5, and a subtype of lung capillary ECs expresses high levels of genes involved in MHC class II-mediated antigen processing, loading and presentation4. This suggests a role for this EC subtype as antigen-presenting cells and a putative function in immune surveillance against respiratory pathogens. As ECs do not express the CD80/CD86 co-activators4, they cannot activate naive T cells but only antigen-experienced T cells and thus function as semi-professional antigen-presenting cells. Whether and to what extent this subtype of capillary ECs is involved in the immune response against SARS-CoV-2 infection is a focus of further investigation.

After the initial phase of viral infection, ~30% of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 develop severe disease with progressive lung damage, in part owing to an overreacting inflammatory response1. Mechanistically, the pulmonary complications result from a vascular barrier breach, leading to tissue oedema (causing lungs to build up fluid), endotheliitis, activation of coagulation pathways with potential development of disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) and deregulated inflammatory cell infiltration. We hypothesize that, similar to the key role of ECs in ARDS induced by other causes, ECs play a central role in the pathogenesis of ARDS and multi-organ failure in patients with COVID-19.

Vascular leakage and pulmonary oedema in patients with severe COVID-19 are caused by multiple mechanisms (Fig. 1). First, the virus can directly affect ECs as SARS-CoV-2-infected ECs were detected in several organs of deceased patients3. These ECs exhibited widespread endotheliitis characterized by EC dysfunction, lysis and death. Second, to enter cells, SARS-CoV-2 binds to the ACE2 receptor, which impairs the activity of ACE2 (an enzyme counteracting angiotensin vasopressors)6. Which vascular cell types express the ACE2 receptor remains to be studied in more detail. Reduced ACE2 activity indirectly activates the kallikrein–bradykinin pathway, increasing vascular permeability2. Third, activated neutrophils, recruited to pulmonary ECs, produce histotoxic mediators including reactive oxygen species (ROS). Fourth, immune cells, inflammatory cytokines and vasoactive molecules lead to enhanced EC contractility and the loosening of inter-endothelial junctions. In turn, this pulls ECs apart, leading to inter-endothelial gaps2. Finally, the cytokines IL-1β and TNF activate glucuronidases that degrade the glycocalyx but also upregulate hyaluronic acid synthase 2, leading to increased deposition of hyaluronic acid in the extracellular matrix and promoting fluid retention. Together, these mechanisms lead to increased vascular permeability and vascular leakage.

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COVID-19 infects the lining of blood vessels, causes a shit-ton of clotting, and then, it makes the blood vessels leak into the alveoli in the lungs, causing pulmonary edema.

Who would deny the science when it's right in front of their face?
 
Good performance metrics are 1)killing communists and 2)improving the economy.

A lot of shit dumped on a man who did both. High IQ is not always a good thing in leaders (ie Woodrow Wilson). Did he not do #2 though?

Was Pinochet like Franco? It seems he saved Chile looking at how it went to shit once he stepped down.

As long as you were walking not down the street when they were not rounding up people and torturing them just in case you would be fine with Pinochet or Franco.

So a good leader for you is one that "kills communists and improves the economy" - that's it? idk but it seems to me that most of the people talking about right-wing dictatorships never actually lived under one. Actually there wasn't just Pinochet and Franco, pick others - Salazar in Portugal, the Greek colonels, most of South and Central America at some point, various ones in Africa and Asia etc.

Maybe you don't realise it, but in a dictatorship in general you are not allowed to do lots of things, they don't just "kill communists". You complain about something and you're out. You can't study and you can t get a decent job because you're blacklisted. They can come in the night and go through all your house because somebody who you don't like reported you as being communist or something.

And no studying of history or politics. All shut down. Censorship, you can't write what you want. You wouldn't even have something like YT, imagine letting people make films of their own without previous screening or approval, much less things like e-mail and communicating with people abroad.

@Drain Todger: TL;DR - virus bad, the uptodate you quote is about critically ill patients, so well done, critically ill patients are very sick, don't spew cytokines on people, if you can't explain it in one sentence it means you didn't understand it. Also uptodate says this:

Asymptomatic infections have been well documented. Their precise frequency is unknown, but several studies performed in various settings suggest that they are common.

So yeah, most people get the virus and nothing happens. Don't spread rumours. Loose lips sink ships etc.
 
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Interesting articles from Reason. "They" only have themselves to blame for any spike in cases because people will no longer put up with house arrests. Brought it on themselves with the draconian statewide house arrests. Everything after two weeks was politics-based, not science-based.




One regarding moratoriums on evictions. Worth a read.




And here's a notable BESA article.


 
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Also they don't want to remove their travel warning for Germany because we don't remove our travel warning for them. (yes, this is literally their justification) I don't know how we'll ever recover.

Sweden Yes!

Afaik, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here in Sweden discourages/dissuades any non-essential international travel until the 15th of July. Haven't heard nor seen any specific aggression towards Germany.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if some Social Democrat has once again said some stupid shit.
 
Good performance metrics are 1)killing communists and 2)improving the economy.

A lot of shit dumped on a man who did both. High IQ is not always a good thing in leaders (ie Woodrow Wilson). Did he not do #2 though?

Was Pinochet like Franco? It seems he saved Chile looking at how it went to shit once he stepped down.

Francos economy is a complex issue because there were two periods to it. I’ve actually read a fair bit on this (books and academic articles). I’ll call them Autarky and Liberalization.

The Autarky period was a corporatist (like Fascist Italy) system with autarky and it was an absolute disaster. The economy took something like two decades just to recover to Pre-War levels, which is inexcusable and possibly worse than even normal Communist performance. All the while the burden fell mostly on the poor, especially the rural workers who had been Franco’s most important mass base. Autarky was the biggest issue but it was caused both by Franco’s personal desires and by the United States punishing him for the fascist origins of his government. The two fed off each other. The public could barely even eat, much less accrue actual wealth or infrastructure, and inequality soared as the banking industry systematically plundered the country.

franco would not make the slightest concessions until his state was on the verge of bankruptcy. Around that time he managed to achieve a diplomatic breakthrough with America, the trade reopening as America began to prioritize viewing him as an anti communist ally instead of a fascist remnant.

The Liberalization Period, which began around 1960, was mostly the work of technocrats from Opus Dei who introduced market reforms, pushed in a more classical liberal/libertarian direction. The corporatist structure ended but I’m less familiar with that aspect of it. Most economic historians fixate on the freeing up of trade, but I think they fixate on it excessively.

The Spanish economy did something extremely interesting in that they managed to urbanize, both industrialize and tertialize, and build a massive economic boom off of foreign imports without selling a thing. The trick was that they relied on tourism. Tourism revenues were extremely important and expanded due to a combination of Franco very aggressively promoting his country through partnerships with directors like Samuel Bronstein and travel agencies.The inflows of American cash funded the recovery, basically being “exports” of services. Remittances also played a significant role as Spaniards worked in France, Switzerland, and Germany.

The countryside practically emptied itself out, especially in Andalusia, and the smallholders in the North were all but killed off. The economy ended up rapidly converging to normal European levels, based off of tourism and off of industries that tourism revenue funded.

Franco deserves very little credit for the Miracle of Spain because the Miracle was a solution to a problem he caused. His War burned the country down (albeit not so much the important Catalan and Basque industrial centers) and his fucktarded Falangist policies prevented recovery. He absolutely gimped the nation for two decades. The last decade of extremely rapid recovery was a consequence of both cleverness on his part as a public diplomat and him finally fucking off to let his economists run things.

he was a disaster who had just enough humility to let other people step in to clean up his mess, and only when his back was against the wall.
 
Not trying to side with people pushing this is a death plague but the concept of this disease creating inflammation has been pretty consistent with the earliest of reports and even new ones causing inflammation of blood vessels in the lung causing the "Crazy Paving" condition seen on radiology reports. This Prognosis is old news but not untrue.
 
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I went to the doctor's office this week for the first time since late February (so ... Before all of this lockdown shit happened in the United States). I had a prescription to refill, and thusly needed to do some routine bloodwork.

When I went to the doctor's office (which is in a medical building, with several other types of doctor's offices), they had this asinine policy on only allowing one patient in the office/lobby at a time. They had multiple patients literally waiting in a thin hallway to prevent the main waiting area (which is a much more spacious place to wait, no less) from getting crowded. What an absolute joke. You can't make this nonsense up.

The people waiting outside of the office with me seemed to have had it with this lockdown/"new normal" shit. Nobody was mean to me personally; in fact everyone was eager to talk to each other because everyone needed to vent over how dumb things are right now.

Also, not only did I never have an actual appointment with my doctor (literally had to show up to draw blood, and that's it), but I never even talked to him, even when I got the results of the bloodwork. I went through voice machines and several receptionists, but never a direct contact with my doctor, which royally pisses me off (really tells me how much my doctor "cares," right?). I'm assuming other patients had similar experiences.

This truly feels like a trial run of socialized medicine in the United States. No matter how pretty propagandists try to make it sound, Americans simply will not deal if it's actually enacted fully. The Americans I saw the other day were not having it with waiting in a hallway, taking forever to just get bloodwork done.
 
Todger has returned to doompost about the coof. The perimeter has been breached. Employ anti-fat fuck repellent.
I've noticed that even the soccer mom Karens on Facebook have moved on. It's gone from 'OMG! Can you believe that selfish idiot for not wearing a mask.' to basic bitch reposts of BLM propaganda so her friends don't think she's racist.

Locking healthy people in their houses to stop a viral pandemic is perhaps the most retarded public health measure in human history. Of course it was going to take off again when people went back out. Except now we'll deal with the wuflu in a much shittier economy.
 
I've noticed that even the soccer mom Karens on Facebook have moved on. It's gone from 'OMG! Can you believe that selfish idiot for not wearing a mask.' to basic bitch reposts of BLM propaganda so her friends don't think she's racist.

It's like that on Twitter too, except every now and then, there's more angry arm flailing about people who don't wear masks and screaming about how the US has 2 million cases because Trump, etc. It's all so tiresome.
 
I've noticed that even the soccer mom Karens on Facebook have moved on. It's gone from 'OMG! Can you believe that selfish idiot for not wearing a mask.' to basic bitch reposts of BLM propaganda so her friends don't think she's racist.

Locking healthy people in their houses to stop a viral pandemic is perhaps the most retarded public health measure in human history. Of course it was going to take off again when people went back out. Except now we'll deal with the wuflu in a much shittier economy.
I am aware. Would Spain have fared better with the commies in charge? I don’t think so. Much much more bloodshed too.
 
California just mandated masks... in all settings, including outdoors, where you can't social distance. But if you read the fine print, it pretty much is just saying, "Wear them while waiting in line for stores", "Wear them at work", and "Wear them inside stores". Which LA is still doing anyway. Maybe it'll affect the more rural areas more strongly.

Might just be a power grab. I am seeing people worrying more about Covid again now that the violence of the protests is dying down.
 
About a week ago my brother-in-law and father tried to go to a Best Buy in two separate instances, and they were stopped and asked for all their "bio information" or some shit and both promptly left. Un-fucking-believable.

They really are going to drag this Orwellian shit out for two years if not indefinitely aren't they (though I have a sneaking suspicion that all the media frenzy over it will "inexplicably" die out after the elections). Hell I haven't even gotten a haircut yet because it's like walking into a goddamn bio lab. So goddamn tired of this idiotic madness...
 
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