The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

All along the way, but especially with Nora, the narrative is absolutely destroying any empathy the audience can have with Ellie
Lol what? Nora is a cunt and she got off easily.

The absolutely worst creative decision of Cuckmann's, worse even than tranny buttsex, is setting a "revenge is bad" story after the fucking apocalypse. After the apocalypse, "revenge" is good. Avenging betrayals is one of the keys to restoring civilization. You can't have civilization if a dyke refuses food after someone calls her a dyke, and you can't have civilization if people get away with playing golf with their rescuers. Abby tortured and killed a man who saved "her" from zombies, meaning, she's playing for Team Zombie. None of these fuckers palling around with a traitor deserve to live.
 
Forbes can’t shut the fuck up about the game. Not linking any articles because they’re definitely not worth your time. Clickbait OpEds primarily yanked from other sources are getting posted every few hours.

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Forbes can’t shut the fuck up about the game. Not linking any articles because they’re definitely not worth your time. Clickbait OpEds primarily yanked from other sources are getting posted every few hours.

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It's because Erik Kain of Forbes is pretty level-headed, and was the first one to break ranks with the media when they started to accuse anyone who disliked Mass Effect 3's ending of wanting to rape women, and Paul Tassi of Forbes is basically bizarro Erik Kain and pretty much a corporate lapdog, so we get this weird back and forth thing where they try to make contrarian takes against each other.
 
Lol what? Nora is a cunt and she got off easily.
I am not saying Nora diddnt deserved it, just that how it played out was meant to kill more sympathy for Ellie. The way she says "I made her talk" is Cuckmann telling rather than showing that Ellie is becoming more and more violent, more psychopathic, and more unhinged with each kill. Thats also why he saves Mel and Owen for last because he wants to finish with Ellie killing a preggo, then switch to Troon and end with you thinking it is going to kill the pregger jew but she doesnt. ExPeCtAtIoN sUbVeRtEd. The message he is trying to say is Ellie bad Troon good.

Making a by definition evil character good and relatable is incredibly hard for a writer, and Cuckmann in all of his impotent egotistical splendor steers head first into trying to not only make you hate "the hero" but also to make you love "the villain". This trope done right ends up being Sons of Anarchy, the Shield, or breaking bad. But Cuckmann is nowhere near as good of a writer as Sutter, and even those who pulled the trope off did not do it perfectly or gracefully.

TL;DR there is a reason the heroes journey is the most resiliant story telling trope in history. We love heroes and hate villains.
 
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Right. Here's a good vengeance tale - "Best Served Cold" by Joe Abercrombie. It's the 4th in his The First Law novels, and it's set in a fantasy counterpart culture of Renaissance Italy called Styria.

Styria in current year is not doing well. It is in the 19th year of an endless civil war between Grand Duke Orso of Talins, the largest of the city states, and his vassals, and the League of Eight, an alliance of the other eight city states. Our protagonist is a mercenary captain called Monza Murcatto who has been working for Orso for the past few years with a band called the Thousand Swords. She became captain of the Thousand Swords when she was the second in command and the commander, a drunken degenerate called Nicomo Cosca, were effectively running a scam on the various city states by taking money from both sides and pretending to fight each other to a draw, until Orso saw through it and paid her extra to actually fight for him. She, and her brother Benna, who is the company's accountant, are on their way to Orso's stronghold to collect their pay. They go in, and Orso is there and tells them how they have been instrumental in his successes and how the people love her as the city's stalwart defender.

In fact, he explains that they might actually love her a bit too much, and he, his sons, a banker, his in-house general, her second in command, and his executioner garotte her, stab her, and throw her over a balcony and down a mountainside. Ditto her brother (who's also her lover). He dies, but she's saved by some mysterious person and nursed back to health with the aid of some gold coins as a skull graft and a lot of opium.

Now, she goes on a quest to avenge herself against Orso and all the people in the room when they tried to kill her. She teams up with a bunch of very questionable allies, including an autistic savant murderer, a professional poisoner, an assassin, and a recent immigrant barbarian who wants to try to become a better person. And her former mentor Cosca, who is a drunken wreck. One by one, they hunt down Orso and his people, and kill them. Only to find out that it isn't bringing back Benna, and most of them were actually not in on it and actually were trying to argue against it. There's a brilliant scene where she's putting the boot into Faithful Carpi, the second in command, by holding him under a watermill, and he says he never wanted this to happen, he had nothing to do with it, and gives proof that this is so, but unfortunately his cloak gets tangled in the waterwheel just as she decides to spare him and he's dragged under and drowned. There's also explorations as to how her quest for vengeance hurts all the people around her. Caul Shivers, the barbarian (and later her lover) finds that his quest to try to become a better person is failing miserably and worse that he's actually okay with being one of the bad guys. Castor Morveer, the poisoner, has his apprentice turn on him and has to kill said apprentice, and then switches sides and betrays her. Then there's just the bystanders. While attempting to kill Prince Ario, the elder son of Orso, the resulting carnage involves a six-floor brothel in the city of Sipani being burnt to the ground. While going after the banker, Morveer spergs out and poisons every clerk in the building because he wanted to make sure. She also finds out that Orso was the way he was because he himself was previously a mercenary captain like she was and obtained power by overthrowing the previous Grand Duke, and ironically, in his zeal to not go the way of his predecessor he gave her the idea to overthrow him for real. By the end, Orso's alone and trapped in his drawing room, and she comes in, and he tells her to go ahead because it won't give her any satisfaction. She does. It doesn't.

And the novel ends with her, pregnant by either Caul Shivers or Duke Rogont of Ospria (being Orso's greatest rival), having accidentally and indirectly poisoned all the other dukes of Styria at the meeting to have Rogont crowned King of Styria (Morveer offered to poison them all when he went over to Orso and he did this by smearing something deeply horrific on the crown jewels of Styria and Monza escaped because she was the only person who wore gloves to the ceremony), as the last person standing. She has made a desert and called it peace. All hail Monza Murcatto, Grand Duchess of Talins.

(There is a hope spot though at the end. It turns out that the rest of Styria was completely tired of fighting and offered to make peace, which she agreed to, and in later books it's mentioned that she's an extremely capable and competent ruler, and has her son crowned King of Styria by the time the 7th book, "A Little Hatred," comes round.)

See, the reason this works is because character development. Abercrombie doesn't try to subvert expectations for its own sake. Monza Murcatto goes from a literal war criminal (she is partly responsible, alongside her brother, for causing one city in the backstory to have been sacked so hard that the place is pretty much a wreck even years later, and is known as the Butcher of Caprile as a result of this) whose every thought is consumed by the need to stick her blade through Duke Orso's heart, to actually being a competent and caring ruler, because in her journey she actually saw what damage her quest was doing not to her but others. She starts to have misgivings as soon as Morveer poisons all the bankers, and then has even more misgivings when Faithful Carpi gets drowned and as his bloated, drowned corpse comes up the other side of the waterwheel, she feels pretty shit with herself, to the point at which she's prepared to let Orso's younger son off altogether, only to have Caul Shivers come up and axe him in the back because she hired him to kill some people, not talk to them. She even later on has misgivings about taking Orso's fort by undermining the walls and blowing them up with gunpowder because she doesn't want any more randos to die in the attempt. And when she finally does kill Orso, she feels... empty.

Meanwhile, Caul Shivers goes from wanting to be a better man and getting out of the endless cycle of blood-feuds from his homeland to believing actually, he is absolutely fine with being one of the bad guys. We see him again in book 5, "The Heroes," and he's basically the most feared man in the North because of his total lack of any conscience whatever. He clearly learned much from Monza. Castor Morveer is unable to quit his job because there is nothing else for him, and he dies as he lived, of poisoning.

This is how you write a tale of revenge. Drucko should take note, but he won't.
 
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Yesterday at around this time there were ~8000 user reviews.
I wonder how they'll attempt to explain away the overwhelmingly negative response. It seems that the people who got this day-one are starting to agree with those of us here.

Ah, yes, Russian bots. It's good to know that these top notch voice actors happen to also be fantastic internet detectives. It's definitely not because they're concerned with their bonus checks.
 
I wonder how they'll attempt to explain away the overwhelmingly negative response. It seems that the people who got this day-one are starting to agree with those of us here. :thinking:

They eventually will go with the narrative that its misunderstood.

But if you've bought your copy, Bandai Namco is having a major sale right now on Steam. So everyone should be buying those games instead. Also Titanfall 2 just dropped on Steam for $10 bucks and has a better story than TLOU 2 and is only about 5 hours of your time.
 
I'm sure they'll get blamed as Russian bots even though I've seen major streamers hate on this incredibly. Even that Indian guy turned on it and uninstalled TLOU remaster.
Funny, but many Russian gaming magazines claimed the game is a masterpiece too (I’m looking at you, игромания) and situation with players is pretty much the same as on west - some praise it, some meme it, some hate it. It’s not like there is a legitimate reason to blame bad score on Ivans, but if they’ll do that anyway - it’ll be funny to watch.
I wonder if they’ll blame more traditional countries that got it censored/hate LGBT as a source of bots.
 
Funny, but many Russian game magazines claimed the game is a masterpiece too (I’m looking at you, игромания) and situation with players is pretty much the same as on west - some praise it, some meme it, some hate it. It’s not like there is a legitimate reason to blame bad score on Ivans, but if they’ll do that anyway - it’ll be funny to watch.
I wonder if they’ll blame more traditional countries that got it censored/hate LGBT as a source of bots.

I mean, Sony basically pays the Russians in cheap vodka.

Also the response I've seen is viscerally negative. I've rarely seen this much hate and people basically turning on it. It only seems to be TV Tropes (which are a bunch of dumb retarded faggots) and a small subset of ResetEra (These people don't count as human) who enjoy it.


That didn't take long. Also why the fuck would Russians give a shit about TLOU 2 reviews? Why would anyone pay a bot network for negative reviews with no financial gain themselves? Seriously, these people are fucking morons.

Also shocked at the 'Wired' negative review. Sony isn't handing out nearly enough checks it seems.

I'm late to everything. What leap in logic lead to this accusation?

Nobody knows.
 
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