U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

Status
Not open for further replies.
Meat Target said:
True, but Twatter, Plebbit, and dinosaur media are not real life. Go outside and talk to people in meatspeace, and most normies just want to live and let live.
Click to expand...
If you talk to the right normies, sure. A pretty big sample of my normies are raving loonies, and a lot of the others buy the loonies' premises even if they dislike their methods.
 
  • Feels
  • Agree
Reactions: ConfederateIrishman, Granola Grenadine, Freedom Fries and 2 others
Meat Target said:
The moment I knew without a doubt that journalists are lying sociopaths is that month or so back in 2017 when I actually paid money to subscribe to WaPo just to shitpost in the comments.

They personally despise people like me because they know their lies and gaslighting don't work on me and people like myself. They cannot stand being disobeyed.
Click to expand...

For me it was when that high profile Spiegel journalist, Claas Relotius, was caught outright fabricating stories for his articles (archive).

He was only caught after a colleague (Moreno) started tracking down the sources of Relotius' stories and found out they didn't exist. But what I find particularly damning is this:

Moreno, who has worked for the magazine since 2007, risked his own job when he confronted other colleagues with his suspicions, many of whom did not want to believe him. “For three to four weeks Moreno went through hell because colleagues and those senior to him did not want to believe his accusations at first,” Der Spiegel wrote in an apology to its readers. For several weeks, the magazine said, Relotius was even considered to be the victim of a cunning plot by Moreno.

“Relotius cleverly rebuffed all the attacks, all of Moreno’s well-researched pieces of evidence … until there came a point when that didn’t work any more, until he finally couldn’t sleep any more, hunted by the fear of being discovered,” the magazine wrote.

Relotius, it added, finally gave himself up last week after being confronted by a senior editor.
Click to expand...

Moreno had to investigate on his own and had to fight hard to find someone to actually believe the stuff he had found, and nearly lost his job because of it. It just begs the question, who is making sure that all the stories published in the news are real? Is it even possible to do check properly? And finally, of course, how many blatant liars such as Relotius are out there stirring false shit, that we will never know of?

Another similar situation is how the officious sounding Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which was (still is?) often used as a source by a lot of mainstream press when covering the war in Syria, turns out to be a single Syrian ex-pat dude living in the U.K., whose main occupation is managing a local clothing store with his wife, when he's not communicating on the phone with his various "contacts" on the field. While I don't think he was ever caught lying, the fact remains that using this one single guy, with no other cross-referencing, as the source for war reporting data such as the death toll of the latest attacks, the amount of civilian casualties, and so on, is highly questionable.

I know these stories are old, but it's always worth being reminded of them.
 
  • Informative
  • Thunk-Provoking
  • Like
Reactions: Flaming Insignias, s0mbra, Justa Grata Honoria and 9 others
Gustav Schuchardt said:
You have to wonder if this isn't Trump's strategy. US elections aren't won because people like a candidate because all top tier US politicians are basically unlikable psychopaths. Rather they're won because people dislike that candidate's opponent's party's agenda even more.

In which case the 4D chess approach is to let the chaos get worse and worse and make a few impotent comments about how you're going to clear out the CHAZ and oppose statue toppling, which the Democrats will all denounce. This ties them in the mind of the public to chaos and an attempt to replace the majority with a bunch of barbarians.

And then, come election time, you make slightly stronger, but still fundamentally empty, comments about how you're anti-riot, anti-statue toppling and anti-social media deplatforming. And if you win you then do bugger all to stop any of those, or maybe you try but they all get blocked in Congress. But there's a fair chance you will win if the silent majority is scared enough.

It's like a weird, postmodernist version of politics. You say you're opposed to mobs burning down America. The Democrats then accuse you of being literally Hitler for saying that. The people re-elect you. And then you do bugger all but the Democrats still call you Hitler, which in the mind of your supporters means you're stopping them. Which you're not.

And what's the alternative? If you elect the Democrats they might stack the Supreme Court, amnesty illegals, ban guns or try to abolish the cops. A lot of that won't get past Congress either but some of it will, and it's all moving in the wrong direction. With Trump, the worst case is that he'll try to move in the right direction in very small steps and get mostly blocked. That's still a lesser evil than a Democrat administration.

The thing is if you're to the right of the right-wing party in a country with a majoritarian electoral system like first past the post you have nowhere else to go due to Duverger's Law. So there's no real incentive for the right-wing party to give a shit what you think.
Click to expand...
There were some old articles about Trump bringing postmodernism to politics, but more of the TDS-infused "Alternative facts REEEE!!!" type. So close yet so far.
 
Technetium said:
For me it was when that high profile Spiegel journalist, Claas Relotius, was caught outright fabricating stories for his articles (archive).

He was only caught after a colleague (Moreno) started tracking down the sources of Relotius' stories and found out they didn't exist. But what I find particularly damning is this:



Moreno had to investigate on his own and had to fight hard to find someone to actually believe the stuff he had found, and nearly lost his job because of it. It just begs the question, who is making sure that all the stories published in the news are real? Is it even possible to do check properly? And finally, of course, how many blatant liars such as Relotius are out there stirring false shit, that we will never know of?

Another similar situation is how the officious sounding Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which was (still is?) often used as a source by a lot of mainstream press when covering the war in Syria, turns out to be a single Syrian ex-pat dude living in the U.K., whose main occupation is managing a local clothing store with his wife, when he's not communicating on the phone with his various "contacts" on the field. While I don't think he was ever caught lying, the fact remains that using this one single guy, with no other cross-referencing, as the source for war reporting data such as the death toll of the latest attacks, the amount of civilian casualties, and so on, is highly questionable.

I know these stories are old, but it's always worth being reminded of them.
Click to expand...
I also get sand in my ass at these unctuous "fact checkers". Who fact checks the Fact Checkers?
 
  • Like
  • Agree
  • Feels
Reactions: s0mbra, PozzedByCoronachan, Freedom Fries and 3 others
Meat Target said:
, but Twatter, Plebbit, and dinosaur media are not real life. Go outside and talk to people in meatspeace, and most normies just want to live and let live.
Click to expand...
They are all the same people. If you will find a person who said online that "White lives don't matter" and ask them to repeat that again in front of you they would shit their pants. They are brave in their four-wall quazi-worlds, but in reality they are miserable bastards and potential clients of a psychiatric hospital who for some reason did not meet with orderlies at the right time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Freedom Fries, Antique Rice, Synesthesia and 7 others
Crystal Golem said:
They really are alike in some weird ways.
Click to expand...
I kinda consider Bernie and Trump the closest on the political spectrum, sort of the middle to middle road. Their sides have the most crossover for this reason as I think Bernie is sort of middle ranged of Democrats in policy along with Trump for Republicans. This ultimately hurts Biden or the standard republican as they are now considered too far left or right.

Crystal Golem said:
I mean he's attack oriented when it's an acceptable target:
Trump: Yes
Repubs: Yes
Random white people who don't know what it's like to be poor: Yes

Hillary: No
Biden: No
Dems: No
Click to expand...
I feel like the difference between Bernie and Tulsi, from what I have seen, is that Tulsi is terrifying when it comes to her attacks. Unlike Bernie, she actually seems to have done her research so she can pull up moments from someone’s history to get them on. Bernie just says standard garbage you have likely heard over and over. He is not one for actual real attacks, making the DNC less concernEd with Biden.

To answer your point though, yes he is biased. I think he is on the better side of the Democrats, but there are times he definitely needs to chill or where I feel like he is half-way there. I think his speech on Trump’s recent rally had this. He started well by saying the virus kept people in many did not want to risk it, seemingly giving supports some credit for being smart in terms of safety, but then he kept going. From there it was orange man bad, and I pretty much clicked off.
The issue is, Bernie, unlike most Democrats, seems to get it. He seems to acknowledge the failings of the party and why Trump won, making him better in how he treats the other side, yet he kills it going on mini rants. A one off comment here or there is fine, but he can kinda derail some really valid points.

When it comes to treating the other side with respect, Yang is the best example. Dude apparently went off during the impeachment about how much of a waste it is and how time and money should be used for other things. More need to learn from him.

Crystal Golem said:
Also please tell me you didn't fall for the "Kind Granpa Bernie" schtick. You know that's a media work right? That's why we got garbage like this
Click to expand...
Never saw the video, or at least not the full, so it has no baring on my opinion.

Also you used a YouTube video it seems to prove the media point. I have no idea what you consider “the media,” but I would not place YouTubers in that position. They can influence, but they are not a “credible” source like CNN, or mainstream. Going on YouTube, it is filled with pro-Trump and pro-Bernie, so the reaction is to be expected.

Crystal Golem said:
This was all in reaction BTW to the story that kept coming up about bernie being a deadbeat dad that would rather organise protests than keep the lights on and the fridge full for his young son.
Click to expand...
I read the article and I guess I will say this.
I do not remember the son coming up that much, but his lifestyle in the early days was terrible for raising a child and he should have done more to make sure the child was well taken care of if he had to live through it.
On the other hand, I can kind of respect the fact that the dude is not bluffing when he talks about injustices. It seems he has been the same for years, never changed. I can definitely respect that more than Biden or Hillary where their politics seem to be whatever benefits them at the time when it comes to race or sexuality, or anything.

Thank you for the article by the way. It was a decent bit of information I would not have had.

As for my stance now. I can respect Bernie, even if he has that blemish. He most likely will not be running in 2024, and he really should not at this point, so I hope to have someone that can be the new him in a way. Tulsi and Yang seem like they can be the better versions if given more time, so who knows. It would also be nice just to get someone new in general.
 
  • Thunk-Provoking
  • Like
Reactions: Spastic Colon and spiritofamermaid
Ligoskj said:
They are all the same people. If you will find a person who said online that "White lives don't matter" and ask them to repeat that in front of you they would shit their pants. They are brave only in their four-wall quazi-worlds, but in reality they are miserable bastards and potential clients of a psychiatric hospital who for some reason did not meet with orderlies at the right time.
Click to expand...
>online
"Hehe, fragile white men have guns becuz tiny peepee!"
>IRL
"help! Help! Domestic terrorist! Save me daddy gubbmint!"
 
  • Like
  • Winner
Reactions: s0mbra, Freedom Fries, Draza and 10 others
-4ZURE- said:
He seems to acknowledge the failings of the party and why Trump won, making him better in how he treats the other side, yet he kills it going on mini rants
Click to expand...
But the issue with Bernie in 2019/2020 is went with the other dems in doubling down on Identity Politics, when the previous election he didn't really partake. Identity politics killed the Dems in 2016 "Its HER turn" causing them to pick Clinton how has bad blood with anyone right of hard core democrats (and even then rumor is they don't really like the Clintons).
 
  • Agree
Reactions: spiritofamermaid and Crystal Golem
sen.jpg
 
  • Like
  • Winner
  • Feels
Reactions: Shroom King, Ineedahero, Every Crook and Nanny and 19 others
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back