U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

[Overly Serious]

You got me as I was editing that into my post. Yeah, I feel like that was the only other option other than outright lying? Though given the trauma of just watching some people getting mowed down, whom you likely were talking to for hours before, I wanna believe they aren't trying to lie.

I doubt anyone who has heard gunshots would mistake soft impacts on a vehicle as the same sound. Though even reliable people will sometimes post-fact imagine things. Think too early to say on that. I think reasonable to speculate from the video he wasn't expecting people in the middle of the road, though and a fleeing criminal is a good fit for the observed behaviour.

Why should they pull through? They'd...they'd just go back to doing this shit again, just with crutches. lol, what? You're hoping for the survival of people that wouldn't mind seeing many of us hospitalized.

Well firstly there are very few people I wish death or lifelong injury on regardless of their politics. I'm just like that, I guess and if this upsets you I'm cool with that. Secondly, and less subjectively, I know little about the two victims. I think someone mentioned they were both female. Beyond that I don't know how young they were, how deeply into the movement they were, how often they were doing this or how they treat people around them. Maybe they're the bogeymen commies you imagine and which you are already indulging enjoyment of their comeuppance over; maybe it's some teenage girl who got told that Black people are being hunted down by the police and thought this would help. I don't know if she's out there every night smashing windows and threatening people or if she's a quiet girl who just got invited along by a friend and was sitting there chatting with them. I don't know if she's sixteen and rebellious or a dyed in the wool Commie professor preaching the evils of Democracy every week. You don't care; but I do. And so do normal people.

Young people are biologically wired to rebel, to want to try out new ways of doing things and to shake things up. It's evolution. Older people provide stability, continuity, teaching. Teenagers strike out on their own; do dumb things on the principle that some portion of them will survive and learn something useful to the tribe. And they prevent a gerontocracy. That's just a fact. The problem is it's being weaponised in our modern, giant society where older people are too busy working to pay off mortgages the whole time to have any meaningful cross-generational interaction. And while the older people are stuck at work and rationing out their four weeks of holiday per year; society has specialised into providing outside adults to fill the gap - and those adults do not share the values of the parents and are busy turning the natural independence and anger of younger people to their own ends. I don't want some twenty year old to die because of that. The productive response is to get out there and teach these kids they're being lied to; or at least provide them alternative views and information so they can make an informed decision. The unproductive response is to clap your hands in glee and at some 'bolshie getting what they deserve'. Not only is the kid who doesn't understand the consequences of their actions dead because of it; but so is the productive (and probably conservative) adult that will now never be. Now are grieving all her family and those who knew her. And I don't wish that pain on any of them, either.

That's why I hope she pulls through. You see these kids as all grubs pupating into buzzing communists who just get everywhere. I don't. I see them as kids. Kids who for the most part will grow more tolerant and less authoritarian with time. You see every one that gets slapped down hard or killed as one less of your enemy. I see everyone I talk to and bring round to my views as one less enemy and one more ally and friend. I have compassion for most people. It's those who send them out into harms way as weapons with a head full of lies that make me angry. I'll maintain that my compassion not only feels right to me; but that it ultimately yields a better outcome as people grown and learn.

EDIT: Oddly enough, reading your posts in this thread there's much I agree with. Especially against doom-pilling. I think there's a lot of hope for positive change here. More than that; I believe positive change is happening right now and societies are purging themselves of poisons they've harboured too long. I just believe seeing the good in people leads to better outcomes.

 

[NyQuilninja]

More instant karma from Seattle. I sure as shit wouldn't stop considering all the shootings/beating we've seen.

Edit: very satisfying thud in there.
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The Lord’s chosen programmer was right all along

 

[trent]

How about a 1st person view (you don't see the car, but you feel the impact).

One of the girls hit was Diaz Love. Chances are you have watched her stream in someway if you watch them, probably in one of those multi screen streams.

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Literally spun around in a circle on the spot rather than getting the fuck out of the way.

 

[BiggerChungus]

"Trump is stoking racial tension!"
they say as they make it an official writing rule to capitalize Black as a proper noun but not white because that could have "consequences".

 

[Evo]

I doubt anyone who has heard gunshots would mistake soft impacts on a vehicle as the same sound. Though even reliable people will sometimes post-fact imagine things. Think too early to say on that. I think reasonable to speculate from the video he wasn't expecting people in the middle of the road, though and a fleeing criminal is a good fit for the observed behaviour.



Well firstly there are very few people I wish death or lifelong injury on regardless of their politics. I'm just like that, I guess and if this upsets you I'm cool with that. Secondly, and less subjectively, I know little about the two victims. I think someone mentioned they were both female. Beyond that I don't know how young they were, how deeply into the movement they were, how often they were doing this or how they treat people around them. Maybe they're the bogeymen commies you imagine and which you are already indulging enjoyment of their comeuppance over; maybe it's some teenage girl who got told that Black people are being hunted down by the police and thought this would help. I don't know if she's out there every night smashing windows and threatening people or if she's a quiet girl who just got invited along by a friend and was sitting there chatting with them. I don't know if she's sixteen and rebellious or a dyed in the wool Commie professor preaching the evils of Democracy every week. You don't care; but I do. And so do normal people.

Young people are biologically wired to rebel, to want to try out new ways of doing things and to shake things up. It's evolution. Older people provide stability, continuity, teaching. Teenagers strike out on their own; do dumb things on the principle that some portion of them will survive and learn something useful to the tribe. And they prevent a gerontocracy. That's just a fact. The problem is it's being weaponised in our modern, giant society where older people are too busy working to pay off mortgages the whole time to have any meaningful cross-generational interaction. And while the older people are stuck at work and rationing out their four weeks of holiday per year; society has specialised into providing outside adults to fill the gap - and those adults do not share the values of the parents and are busy turning the natural independence and anger of younger people to their own ends. I don't want some twenty year old to die because of that. The productive response is to get out there and teach these kids they're being lied to; or at least provide them alternative views and information so they can make an informed decision. The unproductive response is to clap your hands in glee and at some 'bolshie getting what they deserve'. Not only is the kid who doesn't understand the consequences of their actions dead because of it; but so is the productive (and probably conservative) adult that will now never be. Now are grieving all her family and those who knew her. And I don't wish that pain on any of them, either.

That's why I hope she pulls through. You see these kids as all grubs pupating into buzzing communists who just get everywhere. I don't. I see them as kids. Kids who for the most part will grow more tolerant and less authoritarian with time. You see every one that gets slapped down hard or killed as one less of your enemy. I see everyone I talk to and bring round to my views as one less enemy and one more ally and friend. I have compassion for most people. It's those who send them out into harms way as weapons with a head full of lies that make me angry. I'll maintain that my compassion not only feels right to me; but that it ultimately yields a better outcome as people grown and learn.

EDIT: Oddly enough, reading your posts in this thread there's much I agree with. Especially against doom-pilling. I think there's a lot of hope for positive change here. More than that; I believe positive change is happening right now and societies are purging themselves of poisons they've harboured too long. I just believe seeing the good in people leads to better outcomes.

Your Humanism and desire to simply see people rehabilitated on the basis of 'growth' is a very admirable and charming thing but it's not entirely realistic looking at the current situation - we are not looking at mere glorified examples of rebellious children; rebellious children do not have the backings of billions in finances and mainstream media parroting everything they do and telling them it's okay..rebellious children, are not coddled by the system they claim to be rebelling against; you see these people as people, just "angry kids being kids" and that's a bit unrealistic - what about the many systems and myriad of adults behind this movement? What do we do about them, friendo?

Stack them in prison, adding them to the taxpayer bill and a growing prison population and just hope that hey, maybe, JUST MAYBE, they'll change over time with enough love and positivity and rehabilitation, right? You seem to live in a Humanistic fairytale where everything is a macrocosm of the rebellious hippie movement we saw in the 60's-70's where many of those kids did indeed grow into normal people..this cannot be compared; we are not looking at Woodstock - we are looking at neo-Soviets, and that sort of ideology, does not easily leave the mind; you're acting as if these kids have no awareness of their actions..they do, they know what they're doing and they will hurl every bit of horribly inaccurate ideology in order to convince you they know what they're doing and entrenched in their positions.

Seem the type of person who'd literally argue with someone holding a proverbial gun to their head about 'you're gonna regret this, looking back.' - yes, they may, but that isn't going to stop them from pulling the fucking trigger then, is it? I admire your compassion, but guess what? Societies, and laws, are not just built on compassion - they are built on realism, and the pillars of realism have all been torn down, incase you haven't noticed; apply your compassion individually, remain just as loving and good-natured as you are and treat all worthy individuals with that regard but learn to understand that applying your grossly-simplistic and generalized sense of 'universal affection' to the entirety of society has never and will never work..we do not live in a fairytale, this is not a nursery rhyme; I am not going to look down the barrel of a gun pointed directly at me and think, for even a moment, about the fate, life, and 'circumstances' of the individual holding the gun and quite frankly? Most people won't.

I like your attitude on an individual level - people like you are needed in increasingly drastic and dark times, just like medics are needed on a battlefield..but medics are not the only fucking thing winning the battle.

 

[Syaoran Li]

We're certainly getting the Turner Diaries at least, considering how we have Jews leading Blacks into raids on people's houses.

I dunno if the Jews are leading the Blacks at this point, given the rampant literally antisemtic tirades on Black Twitter and on Woke Twitter and how BLM and Antifa are becoming a lot more brazenly and openly vocal in their antisemitic and anti-Zionist rhetoric.

Even if the /pol/ crowd was right in their initial assumptions and the Jews really were leading the BLM and Antifa raids and riots at the start of this mess, then they've clearly lost control of it now and are more likely to get targeted since they're seen as White in the eyes of the commies and Black supremacists.

 

[Evo]

I dunno if the Jews are leading the Blacks at this point, given the rampant literally antisemtic tirades on Black Twitter and on Woke Twitter and how BLM and Antifa are becoming a lot more brazenly and openly vocal in their antisemitic and anti-Zionist rhetoric.

Even if the /pol/ crowd was right in their initial assumptions and the Jews really were leading the BLM and Antifa raids and riots at the start of this mess, then they've clearly lost control of it now and are more likely to get targeted since they're seen as White in the eyes of the commies and Black supremacists.

Well even the fucking nazi memesquad was predicting from the outset that they'd end up panicking once they realized they couldn't control the train they started moving...granted, you did have persistent Icke-level conspiracy theorists who raged on about ZOG and it's subliminal power over BLM but I think the majority of us knew that despite their handling and coddling of the movement for ideological benefit, that they'd end up getting eaten.

It's somewhat similar to what's going to happen as the BLM and LGBT movements start to merge more and more, as LGBT people find out how increasingly split urban blacks are on how to treat gays.

 

[DumbDude42]

I dunno if the Jews are leading the Blacks at this point, given the rampant literally antisemtic tirades on Black Twitter and on Woke Twitter and how BLM and Antifa are becoming a lot more brazenly and openly vocal in their antisemitic and anti-Zionist rhetoric.

Even if the /pol/ crowd was right in their initial assumptions and the Jews really were leading the BLM and Antifa raids and riots at the start of this mess, then they've clearly lost control of it now and are more likely to get targeted since they're seen as White in the eyes of the commies and Black supremacists.

ice cube posting DAS RITE! tier memes on twitter and a bunch of #freepalestine whining doesn't make any difference to any of the jews involved with this. the hard left have held these anti israel stances for at least 50 years now, that didn't at all stop jews from being involved with them and backing them up

 

[Evo]

ice cube posting DAS RITE! tier memes on twitter and a bunch of #freepalestine whining doesn't make any difference to any of the jews involved with this. the hard left have held these anti israel stances for at least 50 years now, that didn't at all stop jews from being involved with them and backing them up

Ice Cube's prominence in this is an example of the jarring reality I just referred to - half the little Suburbanite pinkos on Twitter that retweet his antisemitic bullshit with 'dude, this is no, this is antisemitic' will retweet his anti-cop bullshit a day later with 'ACAB ACAB ACAB'; BLM have said 'we support Palestine' before if I recall, years ago.

 

[BillyGoat2]

I dunno if the Jews are leading the Blacks at this point, given the rampant literally antisemtic tirades on Black Twitter and on Woke Twitter and how BLM and Antifa are becoming a lot more brazenly and openly vocal in their antisemitic and anti-Zionist rhetoric.

Even if the /pol/ crowd was right in their initial assumptions and the Jews really were leading the BLM and Antifa raids and riots at the start of this mess, then they've clearly lost control of it now and are more likely to get targeted since they're seen as White in the eyes of the commies and Black supremacists.

about 90% of the people teaching this shit in collages in the first place back in the 60's or so, were jewish.
So close enough.

Also the current is funded by Soros.

Remember pussyriot? those topless femanazi punk rock band things in Russia back in the mid 2010s? Know why you havent heard anything from them in around half a decade? Because they mysteriously lost all of their funding the moment they said they were gonna do their thing in Israel.

These jews might not have been physically leading these rioters to peoples homes, by they Damn well started the fire and stoked it with glee. till their patsies bit the hand that fed them that is. And that is certainly the only hope we have of this shit stopping any time soon with minimal further violence.

But with any luck its reached critical mass already.

 

[0skar Nabbs]

Believe it was Orwell who identified that fascism had become some amorphous political term for both the moderate left and right to use as a bogeyman word to inflict upon their opposition anytime it deemed it necessary to do so: particularly when said opposition began to show any predilection towards violence.

It was in his essay "Politics and the English Language".
The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’

In commie-speak 'fascist' means someone who is not communist or is the wrong sort of communist. The official name of the Berlin wall was Antifaschistischer Schutzwall " Antifascist protection wall".

 

[Evo]

It was in his essay "Politics and the English Language".
The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’

In commie-speak 'fascist' means someone who is not communist or is the wrong sort of communist. The official name of the Berlin wall was Antifaschistischer Schutzwall " Antifascist protection wall".

I appreciate you enormously for that - I'd forgotten the reference; much as I fucking detest Orwell's personal politics, his sociology was so sadly spot on.

 

[Rafal Gan Ganowicz]

Maybe NSFW. I-5 in Seattle about 20 minutes ago.
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Why the fuck do they stop? Just go as fast as you can. Burn the car afterwands.

 

[Syaoran Li]

about 90% of the people teaching this shit in collages in the first place back in the 60's or so, were jewish.
So close enough.

Also the current is funded by Soros.

Remember pussyriot? those topless femanazi punk rock band things in Russia back in the mid 2010s? Know why you havent heard anything from them in around half a decade? Because they mysteriously lost all of their funding the moment they said they were gonna do their thing in Israel.

These jews might not have been physically leading these rioters to peoples homes, by they Damn well started the fire and stoked it with glee. till their patsies bit the hand that fed them that is. And that is certainly the only hope we have of this shit stopping any time soon with minimal further violence.

But with any luck its reached critical mass already.

Soros is ethnically Jewish but is also a militant atheist/anti-theist and globalist who actively hates Israel. The vast majority of the wealthy globalist and corporatist bigwigs and academic elites are either Anglos, Nordics, or Ashkenazi Jews in terms of ethnicity but culturally they're all atheistic cosmopolitans

He even sold out fellow Jews to the OG Nazis in Hungary when he was a teenager

Fuck, Jesus of Nazareth is more Jewish than Soros is (cue the angry internet stickers from @DumbDude42 and other traditionalist faggots) despite the "muh synagogue of Satan" misquote that traditionalist faggots like to throw around anytime someone mentions that Christianity is fundamentally an Israelite religion that originated as a heretical offshoot of Second Temple-era Judaism, or if you mention Europe's ancient Pagan past or how the worshipers of Moloch were the ancient enemies of the Jews/Israelites

The New Testament is just goyim-access DLC for the Torah anyway. For fuck's sake, you guys get your concepts of what is and isn't "degenerate" from the laws of Moses written in Leviticus and Deutoronomy.

If you want to be a true European traditionalist, why don't you just go full Julius Evola/black metal and embrace some kind of edgy Pagan polytheism?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'd believe them if:
- Any of these people actually worked the kind of strenous labor required to make commie countries run. In my experience, the more hardcore the Commie, the more of a lazy dropout/unemployed crustpunk they are. I can't see these people working for any cause outside of going down the street for more weed.

Indeed. A lot of illegal immigrants came to find stability and a chance to prosper/send money to their families. They are not going to be onboard fucking it all up,
Imagine a majority of Cubans in Miami touting for Communism.

It's not well known but many of the Cuban refugees that fled in the early sixties had initially supported the Cuban rebels. Everyone knew Batista was a crook getting money from the mob and kickbacks from companies like the UFC and AT&T. Castro had not yet come out as a Marxist at that time. When he did and the Cuban government showed its true colors by aligning itself with the USSR people said nope and got out. It's those people that are the most anti-Communist since they were lied to and had to leave everything behind when they fled. They aren't falling for it a second time.

These commies running around toppling statues in blue states and firebombing buildings (again in blue states) would have lasted less than a week on the Great Long March or in the Sierra Maestra. They haven't faced true opposition by our security forces/military to this date. That because the Democrats are firmly behind the commies. They are trying to make them look like a spontaneous uprising with popular support when in reality they are/have neither.

 

[Evo]

Soros is ethnically Jewish but is also a militant atheist/anti-theist and globalist who actively hates Israel. The vast majority of the wealthy globalist and corporatist bigwigs and academic elites are either Anglos, Nordics, or Ashkenazi Jews in terms of ethnicity but culturally they're all atheistic cosmopolitans

He even sold out fellow Jews to the OG Nazis in Hungary when he was a teenager

Fuck, Jesus of Nazareth is more Jewish than Soros is (cue the angry internet stickers from @DumbDude42 and other traditionalist faggots) despite the "muh synagogue of Satan" misquote that traditionalist faggots like to throw around anytime someone mentions that Christianity is fundamentally an Israelite religion that originated as a heretical offshoot of Second Temple-era Judaism, or if you mention Europe's ancient Pagan past or how the worshipers of Moloch were the ancient enemies of the Jews/Israelites

The New Testament is just goyim-access DLC for the Torah anyway. For fuck's sake, you guys get your concepts of what is and isn't "degenerate" from the laws of Moses written in Leviticus and Deutoronomy.

If you want to be a true European traditionalist, why don't you just go full Julius Evola/black metal and embrace some kind of edgy Pagan polytheism?

lol I'm just a regular old nazi and all of my antisemitism is secular - if you think all of the antisemitism derived from the far-right is based in Christian mythos, then you've got a long ways to go in discourse, but that's okay; I don't need the word of God or some sort of spiritual testament to tell me why Judaism, Israel, Jewry and 'the international Jew' is a problem - history, sociology, current events, and Jews themselves demonstrate all I need to be antisemitic. I had a long, long discussion about this in the DM group I mentioned, and I expounded on these issues in greater detail - if you have a desire to process reason at some point, let me know..otherwise everything just comes off as supporting Israel on the naive grounds that Israel is some sweet honeybun bastion of right wing fervour when it's nothing more than a bastion of zionism, expansionism, and financial control of Western policy - for fucksake, AIPAC has done enough to lobby American policy, hasn't it? Do we support Israel just to get back at those angry left-wing kids?

I'm not inclined to do that, judging by Israel's current disposition in American foreign policy - when that changes, maybe, but thus far, Israel is quite enjoying it's position in American foreign policy and every bit of their personal ethos tells them it's okay. I'm not a rabid Christian, and I'm not a Black Sun occultist (but I'm no atheist either.) - I don't need either one to tell me the problems and why they're here.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

That's a reasonably nice car, looks like a new-ish Jaguar XJ. Not cheap necessarily.

The video where the goons catch up to the car is interesting, I hear noises that sound like they could be gunshots but the cameraman and people trying to extricate the driver aren't reacting to them like it's coming from inside the car. Could be nearby fireworks? E: Yes, firecrackers, @SpookNuker with the good catch. There are some additional cracking noises towards the end which seem to correspond with the car moving, which sound remarkably like mangled bodywork slapping around or some of the goons hitting the car with something (E: possibly additional firecrackers).

E: Rewatching the high-angle of the collision I hear 2 cracks which are definitely bodies impacting bodywork and cracking it/impact noise. I see zero evidence of gunshots in that footage though.

I'm very curious, because the driver's behavior is not that of either a car of peace or criminals attempting to flee the cops in a traditional sense. The car brakes as it makes for the obvious gap on the driver's right side of the barricade and seems to attempt to swerve when the people hit become visible (note the car going a bit sideways corresponding to a hard to notice decrease in speed + attempt to swerve just past the van and finally the subtle but noticeable increase in red taillight glow during this time which would correspond with braking), and after impact the car slows almost to a stop, then speeds away only to stop a bit down the road, and then repeating the same thing again when some goons catch up.

The crux of the problem is that the crowd went drivers side right. The people who were hit were reacting to the crowd, not necessarily the car. They start to the drivers left, probably in the blindspot created by the van. As the car gets about to the van, most people run right, and the people who were hit run right as well, taking them from the blindspot which likely was out of the killzone to directly in front of the car and thus in the killzone as the car appeared to just be planning to keep going and, takes evasive action too late for the 2, but just in time for the 3rd who is in the path and thus gets extremely lucky (see also, swerve, brake lights).

That car was going at least 60 E: 50 (I suspect 70 if not faster prior to the initial braking) and the distance between when the people to the left became visible and the stopping distance from that speed became a physics problem which did not bode well for anyone in the path of the gap. And based on the reaction of those who did get hit prior to impact, I don't think they knew where the car was going and probably couldn't see it in the couple seconds of leadup, and made the wrong assessment about what to do half a second too late.

If this were a car of peace, there was a shitload of people on the driver's right which were easily visible but were not hit, and they appeared to be aiming to miss by going left.

The thing I'm a little unclear on is criminal liability. When I had traffic school up there the cops made it pretty clear that the "drunk staggers into the highway at night, struck by car going highway speeds" scenario is a case where criminal liability is unlikely for the driver, though obviously that differs from this scenario as the car was likely breaking the law by making its way onto the highway in the first place.

Edit again:
Going through the end of her stream on .25 speed, I think I can get a screenshot of her rough sightline:

I'm 99% sure this is the van I'm pointing to in the image, video quality is bad but this is a couple seconds prior to impact and we're getting a lot of streaking in the image. If that is indeed the van, she can't see shit, and is currently NOT in the killzone, but has no way of knowing this. She runs to the image's left (driver's right) almost immediately after this frame, putting her in the killzone a second or so after.

Also am I the only one that hears what sounds like a horn being honked at 1:44:30? It's extremely faint and may require a couple seconds run-up to notice it.

Edit finally:
This post is big, rambly, and based on not as much sleep as it should have been, see more concise and corrected analysis of the crash specifically here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/u-s-riots-of-may-2020-over-george-floyd.70231/post-6847738

Not all the detail analysis here is correct but the broad strokes are (driver wasn't trying to hit people, people who were hit accidentally put themselves in the killzone).

 

[unfer]

They told him it was just a bad day. Now he has a new ride and it's their turn.

In-car audio recovered from scene

 

[Syaoran Li]

lol I'm just a regular old nazi and all of my antisemitism is secular - if you think all of the antisemitism derived from the far-right is based in Christian mythos, then you've got a long ways to go in discourse, but that's okay; I don't need the word of God or some sort of spiritual testament to tell me why Judaism, Israel, Jewry and 'the international Jew' is a problem - history, sociology, current events, and Jews themselves demonstrate all I need to be antisemitic. I had a long, long discussion about this in the DM group I mentioned, and I expounded on these issues in greater detail - if you have a desire to process reason at some point, let me know..otherwise everything just comes off as supporting Israel on the naive grounds that Israel is some sweet honeybun bastion of right wing fervour when it's nothing more than a bastion of zionism, expansionism, and financial control of Western policy - for fucksake, AIPAC has done enough to lobby American policy, hasn't it? Do we support Israel just to get back at those angry left-wing kids?

I'm not inclined to do that, judging by Israel's current disposition in American foreign policy - when that changes, maybe, but thus far, Israel is quite enjoying it's position in American foreign policy and every bit of their personal ethos tells them it's okay. I'm not a rabid Christian, and I'm not a Black Sun occultist (but I'm no atheist either.) - I don't need either one to tell me the problems and why they're here.

Oh, I'm well aware that antisemitism exists in secular forms and a lot of the "antisemitic canards" often go back to the time of the Pagan Greeks and Romans.

My post was not directed at you, it was directed specifically at @DumbDude42 who is a self-identified Christian traditionalist.

I am well aware that Israel mainly acts out of self-interest and self-preservation and I'm not a fan of Israel either (to be honest, I'm actually indifferent towards the Israel-Palestine issue) and I do think we do tend to invest way too much into Israel (AIPAC is a key symptom of this, as was the old Religious Right) and while I get that our initial support of Israel was supposed to be a bulwark against the Soviet and later Islamist-backed Arab states, this support has exceeded the pragmatic support that countries like Britain and France have for them.

Really, my support of Israel only extends to the fact that they're the one thing that gets both the far-right and far-left into fits of rage, albeit for completely different reason.

In actually, I'm pretty indifferent towards the issue

 

[SpookNuker]

That's a reasonably nice car, looks like a new-ish Jaguar XJ. Not cheap necessarily.

The video where the goons catch up to the car is interesting, I hear noises that sound like they could be gunshots but the cameraman and people trying to extricate the driver aren't reacting to them like it's coming from inside the car. Could be nearby fireworks? There are some additional cracking noises towards the end which seem to correspond with the car moving, which sound remarkably like mangled bodywork slapping around or some of the goons hitting the car with something.

E: Rewatching the high-angle of the collision I hear 2 cracks which are definitely bodies impacting bodywork and cracking it/impact noise. I see zero evidence of gunshots in that footage though.

You can see the guy close to the car setting fireworks off near his feet at about 8 seconds into one of the videos. No idea why he would be doing that shit besides trying to spook the driver even more, for some reason.