Official Physical Health Speculation & Cancer Discussion - hulthy just big

[DefCon Dumb]

Cutting her open isn't going to be the toughest bit - they'll just go layer by layer until they get to where they want to go. It's the closing her up that's going to be a bitch. Trying to approximate, (match for position), one side of the wound to the other for stitches/staples … gonna need a couple of strong people and/or some special kit to make that happen.

A woman of normal weight having that op - there is a combined thickness of perhaps a couple of inches to piece back together once they're ready to close. Amber... a layer 2-3 mm. of skin, then I dunno… 8-10 inches of pure fat, then 3 muscle layers before they get to the fat under the muscle layers & surrounding the affected organs. All told, there might be 10-12" of Amber to piece back together starting from the innermost layers & working out. I think the bulk of the problem will be the fat layer on top of the muscle layers - how do you hold that together? Never worked the operating room so don't have a clue.

Every layer they go through has blood vessels & if memory serves me right, the larger ones will be cauterized to limit blood loss. If I remember right & please correct me if I'm wrong, fat tissue doesn't have as many or as large blood vessels as muscles & other areas that don't simply serve as an energy store & producer of hormones. That being said, she has a LOT of fat they've got to get through, full of capillaries; too many to cauterize.

So post-op, she'll have the strain of all that... fat trying its damnedest to pull her incision apart & a gazillion tiny blood vessels oozing blood for a few days. And that my friends, even with the most scrupulous cleaning of the outside - is a recipe for infection. A very deep wound which will be under strain for several reasons, poor nutrition, shitty immune system...I will be rather surprised if she does NOT develop an infection, with or without part of her wound opening up.

The complications she faces from the incision alone are numerous - as mentioned: infection, part of the wound opening, hernias. Add to that the many complications for which she's a much higher risk & I salute the surgeon & surgical team brave enough to take her on. Were I the surgeon, I would advise her of the possible complications 3-4 times, ask her to recall specific risks mentioned AND have at least 2 witnesses in the room; just to try & head off any post surgery lawsuits.

 

[Turd Fergusson]

With a person like Al who is non-compliant and high risk, is there a chance they'd admit her the night before to ensure she has no food and maybe do tests?

I think they will bring her in the day before due to the increase risk from the obesity and any other comorbidity. With a riskier patient such as Amber, they will want to start the surgery early in the morning in case of any complications during the surgery and post-operatively.

 

[TomatilloSalsa]

Were I the surgeon, I would advise her of the possible complications 3-4 times, ask her to recall specific risks mentioned AND have at least 2 witnesses in the room; just to try & head off any post surgery lawsuits.

Were I the surgeon, I would just show the judge and jury the video of AL inhaling a family-size off-brand Benihana dinner weeks (days?) before her operation. Pretty clear she was actively trying to die.

 

[DefCon Dumb]

Agreed - they'll want to make sure she's complying with the mandatory no food/drink part AND the bowel prep. I wonder if they'd start her on antibiotics on the assumption that she's likely to infect post-op? No idea on her hospital's policy.

 

[Situation Type Deal Gorl]

I find interesting that all her mental issues have been in the back burner since the cancer diagnosis. What happen to the panic attacks and all other mental ailments that she always uses as a reason for not doing whatever she was expected to do. In general, during high stress situations, mental issues tend to be exacerbated, but not here. I would think that a cancer diagnosis, not being able to have a child, reuniting with your long lost mother would greatly stress Amber, but not her. She is a mystery of modern medicine.

Why screw around with self-diagnosed "muh mentalz" that aren't poling well when you can go with the Big C, which never fails to elicit True Concern(tm), at least for awhile?

How would surgeons cut her open to remove any type of cancer? they'd need chainsaws to cut through her.

Might I suggest a flensing knife?

 

[497]

I know it's been discussed how AL is going to pay for everything... some people thought she was waiting till November but it sounds like her surgery is sooner. Is she going to drain all of her money till she qualifies for medicaid? Since she has cancer would she get right on it? I wish she would have shown what type of recliner she bought. Was it a bariatric one and she bought it because it's cheaper than the beds?

It's been mentioned she might have to stay longer than the average person and hospital stays aren't cheap. I mentioned she's going to need some special at-home care but she will probably rely on Becky to wipe and clean her. At her size she might even need 2 people. We'll get a video of the hospital and all of these medical things fat-shaming and charging her $1000s of more just because she is fat.

I was still hoping she'd start vlogging with her methmom to help pay for these bills. How much can she vlog in the hospital?

 

[Dude Snakes]

You don't even want to know how much the Stryker bariatric beds cost.

I do shoot.

 

[DefCon Dumb]

I've been checking ads - mostly for Stryker but a few other brands are mentioned. Cheapest I saw was $4,300. Then you have add a bariatric mattress... $700 for a foam one & some of the mattresses that redistribute air to ease pressure points are $4,000... just for the mattress. Oucb.

 

[KiwiKunt]

I wish she would have shown what type of recliner she bought. Was it a bariatric one and she bought it because it's cheaper than the beds?

I don't understand why she didnt show the delivery - it would actually have been interesting as part of a 'My Story' vlog - she actually has the chance to have some worth while content which could be a documentary style and work as a cautionary tale

This just goes to prove that she has no clue what she is doing as a YTer - if life give you lemons you make lemonade - if life gives you cancer make a vlog - it might actually help her pay for her treatment

 

[Moonpie]

I know it's been discussed how AL is going to pay for everything... some people thought she was waiting till November but it sounds like her surgery is sooner. Is she going to drain all of her money till she qualifies for medicaid? Since she has cancer would she get right on it? I wish she would have shown what type of recliner she bought. Was it a bariatric one and she bought it because it's cheaper than the beds?

It's been mentioned she might have to stay longer than the average person and hospital stays aren't cheap. I mentioned she's going to need some special at-home care but she will probably rely on Becky to wipe and clean her. At her size she might even need 2 people. We'll get a video of the hospital and all of these medical things fat-shaming and charging her $1000s of more just because she is fat.

I was still hoping she'd start vlogging with her methmom to help pay for these bills. How much can she vlog in the hospital?

IF she actually goes through with the surgery, and that's a big IF- she isn't going to feel like recording in the hospital. Hysterectomy is no picnic.
She will be in constant pain.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

So post-op, she'll have the strain of all that... fat trying its damnedest to pull her incision apart & a gazillion tiny blood vessels oozing blood for a few days. And that my friends, even with the most scrupulous cleaning of the outside - is a recipe for infection. A very deep wound which will be under strain for several reasons, poor nutrition, shitty immune system...I will be rather surprised if she does NOT develop an infection, with or without part of her wound opening up.

The complications she faces from the incision alone are numerous - as mentioned: infection, part of the wound opening, hernias. Add to that the many complications for which she's a much higher risk & I salute the surgeon & surgical team brave enough to take her on. Were I the surgeon, I would advise her of the possible complications 3-4 times, ask her to recall specific risks mentioned AND have at least 2 witnesses in the room; just to try & head off any post surgery lawsuits.

Dehiscense and infection is basically guaranteed considering her lifestyle. Combine a lot of pressure on the sutures with animal crap everywhere and you've got a recipe for Hamber's next medical emergency.

 

[Turd Fergusson]

IF she actually goes through with the surgery, and that's a big IF- she isn't going to feel like recording in the hospital. Hysterectomy is no picnic.
She will be in constant pain.

Actually, if the surgery goes well and finishes early enough to be sent to her ward that day, she might do a vlog that day to tell us how she is doing. Just after the surgery, she will still be under the influence of anesthesia and other powerful analgesics and might feel not too bad. The following day, she might not feel to vlog as much to vlog; she will be on a new level of pain.

 

[chinnys boil]

Imagine the strictest of hospital food where it’s all liquid and no sodium.

Oh just wait, if momma does stick around post surgery to help care for ALR, and ALR starts barking and crying about cravings and snaps at momma- its gonna be brutal. The diet nitpicking is not a good sign, when people begin to get on each others nerves those sort of things manifest into big ordeals, and from what we know of ALR is that she is a raging cunt when she is not getting her way.

 

[Turd Fergusson]

Oh just wait, if momma does stick around post surgery to help care for ALR, and ALR starts barking and crying about cravings and snaps at momma- its gonna be brutal. The diet nitpicking is not a good sign, when people begin to get on each others nerves those sort of things manifest into big ordeals, and from what we know of ALR is that she is a raging cunt when she is not getting her way.

It might happen eventually but not right away. She will be in a lot of pain for quite a while and will be in no position to bark order around. However, the whining will be brutal.

 

[Gorl Talk]

Forgive me for not having receipts, but I am quite sure I heard Amber say that she is intentionally not stating the exact date of her surgery, because [something something] haters. I can't remember whether she was worried people would nag her online about the upcoming date if they knew it, or if it was more a real-world concern about potential doxing (perhaps people sleuthing out the hospital as they did in the past, etc.).

 

[Punkinsplice]

Are there instances when the surgeon has to stop before betting to the organs? I feel like they might run into problems and abort the plan, sew her up and tell her to lose 100 more lbs. I hope not because that sounds negligent, but are they really aware of how many inches they need to cut through?

I know most of us were baffled when Chinny actually got the surgery even after gaining weight. She may be smaller, but not by much. Canada can't be that different when it comes to surgical procedures.

 

[Conan O'Barbarian]

Are there instances when the surgeon has to stop before betting to the organs? I feel like they might run into problems and abort the plan, sew her up and tell her to lose 100 more lbs. I hope not because that sounds negligent, but are they really aware of how many inches they need to cut through?

I know most of us were baffled when Chinny actually got the surgery even after gaining weight. She may be smaller, but not by much. Canada can't be that different when it comes to surgical procedures.

Generally I'd say this probably doesn't happen very often. This is what pre-op examination is for. And while deathfats like Al probably aren't their usual patients, I bet she's not even the biggest one they've operated on. They'd have a pretty good idea just form looking at her what they're in for. They'd be more likely to tell her she has to lose weight and come back before even getting her to the OR.

I'm very curious if she's going to be honest about the kinds of food she's been eating in the days leading up to surgery though, if they learn she's been eating a shit ton of carbs and sodium and processed foods beforehand they'll cancel it on the spot. Foods that inhibit clotting or interfere with anaesthesia will pretty much guarantee a longer recovery period if not kill her on the table.

 

[DefCon Dumb]

Canada has, certainly in the urban centers a sophisticated medical system. The US generally beats us in cutting edge, innovative stuff but we're not short of "centers of excellence" that truly are excellent.

There are a number of good reasons to abort a surgery but in the case of someone like Amber or Chantal, if they've already cut through a ton of fat, they might as well keep going as a another inch or two of cutting isn't going to increase the already high risk of complications that much.

That being said, trying to get to organs buried in layers of fats; whose positions may be shifted by said fat can lead to the other organs, blood vessels & nerves being more... how can I put it? Disturbed works. They have to be gently moved over & sometimes, their support systems, (stringy stuff, if you will), has to be cut to do so. That MAY cause more post-op discomfort, especially in the form of cramping with gas. Granted, the Ambers & Chantals of this world are probably going to be feling more pain than many, so they might not really notice that extra discomfort.

 

[Turd Fergusson]

Forgive me for not having receipts, but I am quite sure I heard Amber say that she is intentionally not stating the exact date of her surgery, because [something something] haters. I can't remember whether she was worried people would nag her online about the upcoming date if they knew it, or if it was more a real-world concern about potential doxing (perhaps people sleuthing out the hospital as they did in the past, etc.).

I think it is wise for her not to give when and where the surgery will happen. Most people do not care that much but there is a small minority that could try to see her.

 

[Situation Type Deal Gorl]

Forgive me for not having receipts, but I am quite sure I heard Amber say that she is intentionally not stating the exact date of her surgery, because [something something] haters. I can't remember whether she was worried people would nag her online about the upcoming date if they knew it, or if it was more a real-world concern about potential doxing (perhaps people sleuthing out the hospital as they did in the past, etc.).

The hospital isn't an issue - there are only a few places it could be, really, since there's nothing where she lives. I'd bet UK Lexington, which is where the cancer center is that she claimed to go. They have a surgical oncology division, and if you were getting surgery, it would likely be at the same place where all the assorted doctors were that you'd have to see for your cancer, and they'd have admitting privileges at that hospital. Doesn't take rocket science to look at the roster of doctors and surgeons.

However, those fuckers who deluged the urologist's office need to sit this one out. I don't give two shits about Big Al, but the staff dealing with actual cancer patients does not need that shit, and I would take it very personally if anyone from those fucking groups started on those people.