Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I do but the way corona virus is currently in its current form your only safe for so long. they're going to need to develop a vaccine with boosters to keep immunity going. A vaccine isn't the same as the wild strain of a virus, currently corona virus antibodies would stay in your system max 100 days, after that the immunity is gone your vulnerable to reinfection again.

because nobody likes the idea of throwing grandma or someone terminally with cancer under the bus. I highly doubt herd immunity will be a thing until a vaccine can be made.

If herd immunity is impossible because of this, then a vaccine is impossible for that same reason.

If the strains of COVID-19 mutate so fucking fast that your body's immune response no longer produces the correct antibodies and your lymphocytes no longer recognize the strain, then a vaccine wont do any better. The goal of a vaccine is to basically teach your body's immune response to make the right antibodies and your lymphocytes to recognize the infected cells.
If your body's response to the real deal doesn't last, then how the fuck will exposure to a less-lethal and/or inactivated lab strain make you fare any better?

This was the point of my initial reply, if a proper immune response doesn't fucking work and Grandma is going to die from COVID regardless, then why are we making Jacie go crazy with depression and cause Mike to lose his job, while Peter & Heather burn through their savings and little Jimmy is left out of school?

That being said, I am of the belief that both natural herd immunity and a vaccine are possible, because there is more involved in an immune response than "are active antibodies detectable in your body right now"
Also imma need a legit source on that 100 days claim, because I've seen nothing in the literature and its only come up in news sources.

Spoiler: I keep having to post this, but reinfection is a myth at best, a non-factor at least

Initial reports of reinfection came from lingering virus particles, not active infections
(archive)
As of May, no true case of reinfection in humans had been confirmed
To the best of my knowledge, no accepted case has been confirmed since, but May was the most recent peer-reviewed date
(archive)
Even if there are true cases of reinfection out there, statistically speaking they will drop to zero as more people catch the virus and recover
(archive)

 

[Standardized Profile]

If Mother Nature is just going to win in the end and kill our geriatric boomers and XXL diabeetus blobs, then why are we fighting so fucking hard and risking so much to stop her?

Geriatric boomers run society. Specifically, cosmopolitan, urban, bicoastal or transatlantic boomers run society. The idea of a rapdily-spreading remover terrifies them. Flyover boomers are at much less risk because they're less mobile and don't interact with as many people. They don't care as much.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Anything else I missed?

I'm still waiting on my $33,000

 

[RubberbandMan]

You know, we had a China virus before Corona.

Spoiler

It's TikTok

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

If Mother Nature is just going to win in the end and kill our geriatric boomers and XXL diabeetus blobs, then why are we fighting so fucking hard and risking so much to stop her?

Because it is a very convenient emotional argument that you really can't fight with facts.

YOU DONT WANT GRANDMA TO DIE DO YOU!!?

 

[General Tug Boat]

So I'm back after a long needed vacation from the liquefied exceptionalism of the last few months. Some updates in Canada-land, I ended up going up north camping with some buddies of mine that I haven't seen since the begining of the lock-downs in March. This was the first real time that I have been out of the house outside of the occasional run for essential goods, or the couple of times I went for a bike ride with my buddy during the pre-stage 1 stuff. I haven't quite seen how the lock down was being conducted in the rest of the province, but now I have a pretty good idea. The arrows on the floor and store capacities being kept super low was annoying. When I was on that trip, we had to do a lot of grocery shopping, and a lot of runs to the liquor store.

The lines to get into places is still a thing, a long with the masks being required in every public venue is also really strange to see. Seems like most people are respecting the rules and are quite careful. The sanitizer in the entrance of every store, mandatory masks, and people going out a long with their business was cool. It actually felt a bit like summer this year, which was nice that at least I ended up getting to experience it despite a bit of my onset jitters from being isolated for so fucking long. The common conscientious seems to be that people are willing to adapt and live a little differently, as long as we can slowly gain our freedom back. A guy I ended up meeting in one of his shops who did some work in south africa gave some interesting insights about the virus. Apparently the vent on the N95's makes the point of the mask very well useless, because the only useful attribute of the mask is so when you exhale it prevents the droplets, opposed to inhaling the actual bug. Along with the long term consequences of people staying sick for long periods of time. My buddies aunt ended up getting a similar lung infection as me over a month ago and it's still kicking her ass in waves. I still have some residual issues I can admit, but my breathing is certainly a lot better.

Some people that get this thing, it seems like some how some peoples body just have a difficult time making antibodies for the fucking thing, or else the illness in certain strains lasts a lot longer than expected. I can't say with 100% accuracy that it was COVID, but either way the timing in the pandemic for as many people I am hearing that ended up getting sick like I did last month is a bit fucking crazy to me now that I am feeling a lot better and slowly shifting back into the world. I only bring the aspect up, because this guy also brought up the antibodies not being produced in COVID patients based on some of the serology tests he has seen as a researcher when he was studying the virus in the beginning of the year to April when they called all of those people back to Canada. I guess one positive bit of news is that I ended up getting a new job lined up at a new restaurant with my old Chef. He is back to work on Monday getting ready for the process of how stage 3 is going to work in the restaurant. So I should expect with in a week or a couple of weeks to be back in the cooking game once more, once he figures some of that shit out. In dining is coming back, but the 2 meter distance in the stores, and between tables is going to be a thing now. Pretty dope things are beginning to resemble more like how they where before all of this. I feel a lot more recharged because in my cabin I ended up bringing no technology, totally off the grid for a week. Just me. my thoughts, some good friends, some cold beers, and the beauty of nature. Good to be home though, was missing the pod a bit, but it'll be nice when I go back to work for sure. Hope everyone is doing well and hangs in there.

 

[Jaimas]

Because it is a very convenient emotional argument that you really can't fight with facts.

YOU DONT WANT GRANDMA TO DIE DO YOU!!?

If she does, I get her car, so I'm indifferent at best.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Sign of the times:

The other day, I saw a white lady with "BLACK LIVES MATTER" on her mask. Now coronapanic masks can have logos or other advertising om them - as if not creepy or annoying already.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

...A guy I ended up meeting in one of his shops who did some work in south africa gave some interesting insights about the virus. Apparently the vent on the N95's makes the point of the mask very well useless, because the only useful attribute of the mask is so when you exhale it prevents the droplets, opposed to inhaling the actual bug....

Not surprising, I took my full-face apart the other day to figure out exactly how it works and I suspect the N95 vent is a similar if not identical to the check valves they use on respirators. Basically a fraction of a mm thick rubber "plate" which will seal to an opening on inhale and flutter open on exhale. I put my hand in front of it on exhale and my fingers were noticeably moister than they were before. And that was with the debris shield for the "nozzle" in place.

 

[Slap47]

The USA is doomed apparently.

 

[cuddle striker]

We are pretty doomed in general. This is just more shit in the pile.

I posted about this before, back in March? There are a few papers out now.

Abnormal findings in testicular tissue of COVID-19 patients, SARS-CoV-2 mostly undetected

The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has caused over 9.263 million cases and taken more than 477,000 lives as of June 24, 2020 – just six months after the initial outbreak in Wuhan, China, was reported. The illness, called COVID-19 disease, caused by SARS-CoV-2 is a...

www.news-medical.net

The amount of tissue slides we've taken for some of these researchers is wild.

Local statistics from where I am, one in five infected get admitted to the hospital. Looking nationally, it seems like one in four is the average. (edited for bad math) The southeast has it worst, of course. On average, a little more than half of those admitted will die, and all the rest will have some kind of permanent damage. Not always life-altering damage, of course, but they'll have some injuries that will not heal. Reduced lung function is the big one, and can range from really mild after recovery to needing a full double lung transplant, for example.

This is what I can see within the medical examiner/coroner's system. I am not a data tech and wouldn't try to project anything. I am firmly in the Doom camp on this subject though. Those who are "talking it seriously" aren't really following best practices, just panicking. Would have been a lot better to have good, experienced medical systems in place to manage this.

Fauci is admired in medical circles because he was strongly involved in forcing the fed to actually react to the AIDS crisis, and because his published work is impeccable. He's one of thousands that have the skills though, they're all worth a little respect. He is just being given a lot of accolades in comparison, not purely on his own merit. Just like last time, in the spotlight, working for a confused elderly idiot who refuses to read anything.

Neither party/side or whatever you call it, in the US, is paying enough attention to the science. Nor are they taking swift and appropriate actions. It's a systems failure.

I got tired of telling people to stay the fuck away from groups and cover their faces in March. I'm ready to sit back and laugh at every person who thinks this is fake that comes across my table.

dark humor, doing the heavy lifting these days

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

REMINDER TO ALL MICHIGAN KIWIS
A petition is being circulated to repeal the 1945 Emergency Act that Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) is claiming gives her unlimited emergency authority. You can order copies to sign and circulate here.

Petition Information - Unlock Michigan

How does this petition work? Michigan’s constitution allows citizens to initiate their own legislation. With enough valid signatures, the legislature can vote on this proposal, and when passed, it becomes […]

unlockmichigan.com

Whitmer threatens to close auto manufacturing if people don't obey her mask orders.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/07/18/gov-whitmer-issues-threat-auto-industry/5453411002/

(archive)

Ken Inman, 39, has been arraigned and charged with assault with a dangerous weapon for allegedly pulling a knife on a Meijer employee who asked him to wear a mask. This is NOT the same incident as the man who was shot and killed by police for stabbing another man (non-fatally) over a mask.

https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/07/kalkaska-man-charged-for-allegedly-pulling-knife-on-meijer-employee-over-mask-request.html

(archive)

Woman runs over police officer's foot following mask-related altercation at a pizza shop in Grand Haven, on the west side of the state.

Woman upset with pizza shop’s mask request causes stir, then runs over officer’s foot: police

Tammy Rose North, 56, of Spring Lake is charged with fleeing and eluding

www.mlive.com

(archive)

Judge declines to issue preliminary injunction in a theater's lawsuit against Governor Whitmer.

Judge sides with Gov. Whitmer in Emagine lawsuit over theater closures

Judge Paul Maloney declined to issue a preliminary injunction.

www.mlive.com

(archive)

MICHIGAN RECAP
Second wave of official cases is here; second wave of official deaths is not. Masks are now mandatory. People starting to snap. Lawsuits grind on ever so slowly. Petitions begin circulation.

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL (AS OF SATURDAY 7/18)
Confirmed cases and deaths only.

Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

41,791 confirmed / 4,627 dead
40,038 confirmed / 4,596 dead last week
(i.e. 31 new deaths, down 26 from the previous week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day, 728 per week.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

31,389 confirmed / 1,490 dead
29,289 confirmed / 1,472 dead last week
(i.e. 18 new deaths, down 21 from the previous week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day, 1,169 per week.**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

73,180 confirmed / 6,117 dead / 55,162 recovered = 11,901 active cases^
69,327 confirmed / 6,068 dead / 53,867 recovered = 9,392 active cases last week^
(49 dead (down 47) and 1,295 declared recovered (up 269 since last week)
Net change: +2,509 active cases since last Saturday.^
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day, 1,897 per week.**

Death toll doubled since: April 23.

State Government site, daily - archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - archive is useless after redesign.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
^Here calculated based on confirmed cases and deaths only.

One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store. Multiple suspects are in custody (archive, A&N thread).
One Grand Ledge man shot and killed by police after allegedly stabbing another man in a mask dispute (archive).

 

[Peace and Harmony]

The USA is doomed apparently.

More than happy if shitfucks like these learn to stay in their own fucking countries, or better yet, their fucking pods, and never leave ever again.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

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The USA is doomed apparently.

he will be back, i'm waiting for those people to move out of the us because trump won in 2016 tho

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Michigan, USA

REMINDER TO ALL MICHIGAN KIWIS
A petition is being circulated to repeal the 1945 Emergency Act that Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) is claiming gives her unlimited emergency authority. You can order copies to sign and circulate here.

Petition Information - Unlock Michigan

How does this petition work? Michigan’s constitution allows citizens to initiate their own legislation. With enough valid signatures, the legislature can vote on this proposal, and when passed, it becomes […]

unlockmichigan.com

Whitmer threatens to close auto manufacturing if people don't obey her mask orders.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/07/18/gov-whitmer-issues-threat-auto-industry/5453411002/

(archive)

Ken Inman, 39, has been arraigned and charged with assault with a dangerous weapon for allegedly pulling a knife on a Meijer employee who asked him to wear a mask. This is NOT the same incident as the man who was shot and killed by police for stabbing another man (non-fatally) over a mask.

https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/07/kalkaska-man-charged-for-allegedly-pulling-knife-on-meijer-employee-over-mask-request.html

(archive)

Woman runs over police officer's foot following mask-related altercation at a pizza shop in Grand Haven, on the west side of the state.

Woman upset with pizza shop’s mask request causes stir, then runs over officer’s foot: police

Tammy Rose North, 56, of Spring Lake is charged with fleeing and eluding

www.mlive.com

(archive)

Judge declines to issue preliminary injunction in a theater's lawsuit against Governor Whitmer.

Judge sides with Gov. Whitmer in Emagine lawsuit over theater closures

Judge Paul Maloney declined to issue a preliminary injunction.

www.mlive.com

(archive)

MICHIGAN RECAP
Second wave of official cases is here; second wave of official deaths is not. Masks are now mandatory. People starting to snap. Lawsuits grind on ever so slowly. Petitions begin circulation.

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL (AS OF SATURDAY 7/18)
Confirmed cases and deaths only.

Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

41,791 confirmed / 4,627 dead
40,038 confirmed / 4,596 dead last week
(i.e. 31 new deaths, down 26 from the previous week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day, 728 per week.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

31,389 confirmed / 1,490 dead
29,289 confirmed / 1,472 dead last week
(i.e. 18 new deaths, down 21 from the previous week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day, 1,169 per week.**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

73,180 confirmed / 6,117 dead / 55,162 recovered = 11,901 active cases^
69,327 confirmed / 6,068 dead / 53,867 recovered = 9,392 active cases last week^
(49 dead (down 47) and 1,295 declared recovered (up 269 since last week)
Net change: +2,509 active cases since last Saturday.^
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day, 1,897 per week.**

Death toll doubled since: April 23.

State Government site, daily - archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - archive is useless after redesign.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
^Here calculated based on confirmed cases and deaths only.

One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store. Multiple suspects are in custody (archive, A&N thread).
One Grand Ledge man shot and killed by police after allegedly stabbing another man in a mask dispute (archive).

As usual, this cunt has to use threats and fear to coerce people into cooperation.

 

[escándalo]

I don't think the US is as fucked as what people are piping. Try the UK which has a populist Prime Minister who ignores very well established virologists. Additionally with the brexit and the economy being ravaged. My cities local economy is beyond fucked, there has been so many store closures and the virus exasperated it. We are out of lockdown and cases are slowly ebbing up now which is not good.

It feels like its just starting rather than beginning.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Neither party/side or whatever you call it, in the US, is paying enough attention to the science. Nor are they taking swift and appropriate actions. It's a systems failure.

To be fair we fucked up our mask orders badly.

Don't wear them they don't work and we need to save them for HCPs okay now wear them.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Additionally with the brexit and the economy being ravaged. My cities local economy is beyond fucked, there has been so many store closures and the virus exasperated it.

The virus didn't make those stores close, your government did.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Herd immunity is a pipe dream if half the states are trying to mitigate it and the other half is half-assing it, same goes for everyone else in the world. Because by the time immunity wears off from people having it already a new strain can emerge in 6-12 months and re-infect people. The way I see it is an all or nothing approach. This in-between is not gonna work out and we will be dealing with this for years. By choosing to partially mitigate we are promoting a less lethal but endemic variant of the disease clumping it into flu season category. The full on mitigation tactic is basically going to rely on an effective vaccine, masks and social distancing world wide hopefully eradicating the disease. The latter is quite optimistic and would involve everything to line up with a heavy dose of luck but we could potentially make it disappear like we did SARS back in 2003. Either way it will sort itself out like every other virus that has fucked with us over the thousands of years.

 

[Niggaplease]

has anyone mentioned in India some guy dropped 4000 for a golden mask?