That's the straw man she uses to hide from criticism and shame on you for repeating it.
It's not a strawman. I had frequent on-line interactions with such people myself, back then. People who for whatever reason were willfully blind to the fact that the Prequel Jedi were meant by Lucas to be in a very bad place, institutionally, rather than exemplars of the Jedi way. Very confused people.
My issue is with her characterization of the Jedi in the article, which is a perfect crystallization of the themes in her books. Characterization that bleeds into her thankfully defunct work.
Hardly. As I've pointed out, she's been a major influence on
The Mandalorian.
In what way? First, I don't concede they're slaves.
Right, every single one of them volunteered to die for the Republic the moment that he came of age.
Second, the Jedi didn't own anyone.
For someone so apparently eager to shame the use of supposed strawmen you certainly are eager to make use of them yourself.
Traviss doesn't claim there that the Jedi own anyone. What she says, specifically, is that the Jedi
accepted the use of a slave-army for the prosecution of a war, that this was wrong, and that many fans become testy and defensive about it, refusing to countenance that Jedi could make mistakes or do wrong, apparently under the belief that since the Jedi are the main point-of-view faction, and because of their ostensibly serving the Will of the Force, that means that everything that they do is good/justified (never mind the fact that C-Can and G-Canon both are replete with numerous examples of questionable behavior by Jedi).
I'm not claiming bioethics don't exist, but like Travissity, you fail to establish they are slaves ie unwilling property and that they were slaves of the Jedi.
You may not be claiming that bioethics don't exist, but you're certainly making a mockery of them by trying to argue like this. You do realize that one of the go-to defenses of black slavery in the United States prior to the 1861-63 war was that the slaves were happy and content in their bondage, don't you?
The same applies to the children. The children are left in the Orders care. They are provided guidance, steered to the light and encouraged to serve rather than rule over others.
That's not the issue, actually. There are, if memory serves, several instances in the
Republic Commando series where some of the Mandalorian characters find themselves emotionally disarmed by the selflessness and idealism of the young Jedi Padawans they work with in the GAR special operations command; the complaint is rather that Prequel-era Jedi adoptees are normally cut off from and are allowed no knowledge of their birth families in the hopes of preventing them from falling prey to "attachment" (which is somewhat darkly humorous given the Prequel Jedi Order's unhealthy "attachment" to the corrupt and crumbling Republic).
Yes, he ran very skillfully. But your right, Obi-wan wasn't blind enough to be a threat to a mandalorian.
He was blind(?) enough to miss a swing at Jango by a good country mile while the latter flew leisurely away on his rocketpack, which says some interesting things about the limitations of Force-powers.
Yeah, right. I've got it wrong. Space wizards controlling the forces of creation should lose in a skill they've trained in since birth to a merc with a blaster.
Yes.
Like, dude, try actually watching Lucas's movies sometime.
Yeah, glorious single combat. Hows that going for them?
Pretty well, all things considered.
I didn't think the Clone troopers being practically expiration date slaves was a matter of contention, honestly. They were pretty much bred for the single purpose of being disposable shock troops. They're basically living droids.
Some people just get really defensive about the Prequel Jedi for whatever reason.
This might sound stupid but do you think Grievous is one of the weakest characters to ever pick a lightsaber?
It like this post right here
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Well, my personal take is that any depiction of Grievous that doesn't match the intelligence and lethality that he displays in Genndy Wars is simply not worthy of notice.
Cause fans love using Filoni version of Grievous for example like having the lowest kills but at least he has killed six Jedi including killing three Jedi Master on that list even able to defeat a on-screen Jedi Master like Adi Gallia, Depa Billaba twice and off-screen knocking Shaak Ti unconscious with the electric cable. Even a Jedi Knight name Pablo-Jill in a intense duel over Duro in a satellite city that left him injured. But of course they'll say these aren't proof.
Kind of reminds me of another under-appreciated product of The Clone Wars Multimedia Project, Alto Stratus:
The leader of the local Separatist forces on the planet Jabiim, Stratus personally killed six Jedi knights in close combat, and he did it without enhanced reflexes, precognition, special armor or weapons or lifelong warrior training, relying instead on just an ordinary steel sword and a whole lotta righteous indignation.
