Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

[boat_rocker]

I haven't checked in this thread in a hot minute and ho boy. we don't need any reminders that PK is a huge narcissist, however I want to point out something.

Hare's logs prove exactly one of the most manipulative narcissist tactics there is that a lot of victims don't see because they usually get guilted into believing they are the bad party. narcissists know exactly what kind of buttons and ammunition to use against someone, and the more hare spoke to PK the more that she got, even if it was just the little things. she KNEW exactly how to keep prodding and poking hare, this is what narcissists feed off reactions and emotions from their person of interest.

The moment hare finally "snapped" (and honestly not even that badly for how bad they were being bastardized holy fuck) that's when PK rolls over onto her back to be all "why you so means???? : ((( " when things or this tactic doesn't work she retreats from the situation or drops it entirely. She knows that if hare snaps at her in front of all her little henchmen that hare is going to look like the bad guy no matter what because PK was having """"""such"""""" a civilized discussion with them. I've seen many assholes like PK do this manipulative shit and cause so much mental damage to people and get them to effectively, emotionally to shut up.

its great to know that even when PK feigns that she is on the path of redemption she really isn't, because I haven't posted on this thread actively for quite a while and this shit is the same if not somehow worse

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Whoever this bitch is needs to chill.

 

[Abra]

but I also think Glip had more power and knowledge in that relationship then they care to admit.

This is something that annoyed me about the apology. I doubt PK was as clueless as she likes to make herself out to be, on the account that she has always been an asshole. She ignores the fact that she was in fact a rude, nasty person while she was with Marl. While I can't bring up specific anecdotes, I recall her being very brash and cold with people regularly. Something that was also pretty common was her and Vee tagteaming on being snarky and shitty to people for daring to leave weird comments on her art.

I don't mean to make a statement about how abuse victims should or shouldn't act. It's simply that PK paints herself as a meek abused person with no voice throughout her relationship with Marl, when it's far from the truth. She had no qualms about being nasty to people and doesn't seem to have any now either.

 

[Sunny-D]

This kind of shit makes my skin crawl for some reason. Nobody in that community can just have a normal discussion about interpersonal problems without it having some kind of culty authoritative BDSM overtones to it. Everything is so unnatural and controlled, because glip and company are in fact always exercising control over it. You know, up until she flips the fuck out and cusses out the person on trial, then dog puppypiles them when they lash back in any capacity. Exactly the sort of person you want spearheading your shitty attack therapy!

Seriously, this is the most striking part of all of the interactions I've seen in screencaps and logs, no one should have to put this much constant thought, analysis and effort into every conversation while they're having it, none of it ever flows naturally... it's all performative. Same as turning interpersonal conflict into comic material instead of just dealing with it like a normal functioning adult.

Glip can make all the excuses she wants about not wanting abusive people to hide in DMs, I'm pretty sure the real reason behind the whole scenes thing is the narcissistic concept of "if it didn't happen in public/in front of an audience, did it really happen at all?" It's oddly fitting she uses terms like "scenes" and "stage".

I’m not 100% if he wants this posted and if he’d like me to take it down I’d be glad to. But I’ve spoken w Pengo for a while and the two of us have talked about Glip, and while Pengo is trying to help them and push them in the right direction, it should be noted that Glip frequently goes directly against Pengo’s suggestions.

seeing him get implicated now is a little frustrating because he’s not. He’s keeping a healthy distance for his own mental wellbeing and not getting too close, while pushing Glip toward therapy and legal action. Glip also is just such a raging asshole and victim complex that they can’t actually take his advice 70% of the time.

this is to say, this kind of behavior isn’t what pengo is supporting or wants them to display.

I'm not surprised, but man I hope that guy knows what he's doing and can manage his level of contact carefully, because Glip's attitude towards him over the years looks like a textbook idealization-devaluation cycle. She went from idolizing him to the point of emulating aspects of his art and music, to admitting to intentionally being as hurtful as possible and threatening to sue him (of course, she conveniently figured out when analyzing her own actions later, to protect him from Marl! How valiant! How conveniently absolving of abusive behavior!) to, now that he's in a position to help her even begin to approach attempting to not act like a piece of shit, idealizing him again. Her depiction of him in that one comic where she, her multiple personality self-inserts and a Pengo stand-in were arguing on the train, him as a wise, caring, benevolent emotions guru and herself as a blushing, embarrassed squirming child, creeped me the fuck out. It's all so disingenuous.

 

[false prophet medea]

Seriously, this is the most striking part of all of the interactions I've seen in screencaps and logs, no one should have to put this much constant thought, analysis and effort into every conversation while they're having it, none of it ever flows naturally... it's all performative. Same as turning interpersonal conflict into comic material instead of just dealing with it like a normal functioning adult.

Glip can make all the excuses she wants about not wanting abusive people to hide in DMs, I'm pretty sure the real reason behind the whole scenes thing is the narcissistic concept of "if it didn't happen in public/in front of an audience, did it really happen at all?" It's oddly fitting she uses terms like "scenes" and "stage".


I'm not surprised, but man I hope that guy knows what he's doing and can manage his level of contact carefully, because Glip's attitude towards him over the years looks like a textbook idealization-devaluation cycle. She went from idolizing him to the point of emulating aspects of his art and music, to admitting to intentionally being as hurtful as possible and threatening to sue him (of course, she conveniently figured out when analyzing her own actions later, to protect him from Marl! How valiant! How conveniently absolving of abusive behavior!) to, now that he's in a position to help her even begin to approach attempting to not act like a piece of shit, idealizing him again. Her depiction of him in that one comic where she, her multiple personality self-inserts and a Pengo stand-in were arguing on the train, him as a wise, caring, benevolent emotions guru and herself as a blushing, embarrassed squirming child, creeped me the fuck out. It's all so disingenuous.

From what I know of the situation, Pengo is taking directions from his own therapist, who is aware and being consulted.

As far as therapy for Glip goes - Pengo has 0 intention of being their emotional crutch and has been referring them to various therapists in their area. Last I heard, it was optimistic that Glip would try to find a professional via Teledoc, as their fees are currently waived for COVID.

 

[FrickleMyPickle]

I’m not 100% if he wants this posted and if he’d like me to take it down I’d be glad to. But I’ve spoken w Pengo for a while and the two of us have talked about Glip, and while Pengo is trying to help them and push them in the right direction, it should be noted that Glip frequently goes directly against Pengo’s suggestions.

seeing him get implicated now is a little frustrating because he’s not. He’s keeping a healthy distance for his own mental wellbeing and not getting too close, while pushing Glip toward therapy and legal action. Glip also is just such a raging asshole and victim complex that they can’t actually take his advice 70% of the time.

this is to say, this kind of behavior isn’t what pengo is supporting or wants them to display.

Pengo had better maintain a healthier distance, because it's never going to happen. She'll go through the motions for a while, but he's going to get covered in shit-kickback in the process and then she'll turn on him the second it suits her.

 

[Rock Hard Socks]

I did some atom smashing with the Glip's writing on Goopy with a summarizer program to shorten 6200 words into 670 words, a paraphrasing program to make what was left less confusing and less being bored to tears to read, and grammar programs to help make the rest coherent. This goopy person sounds like neon if you only read them for the adult site. It was pretty fun and helps cut through the bullshit. I might do more of it.

Spoiler: A frankenstein summarizer of goopy from glip.

(Yes, I do recognize and am properly aware of how my very own conduct factored in, too.) Basically what I'm getting at here is that because of the harassment I persisted over the entirety spawning from Marl's lies and abuses, I did not feel at ease talking up about Goopy in any way - especially if I had been victimized with the aid of no longer seeing the ways she emotionally manipulated me and others.

I did not favor to be a victim of Goopy, I simply desired her to stop fucking hurting human beings using intercourse and via ignoring their sexual boundaries.

Again, and once more and again, treating humans like their sole value is what sexual emotions she can extract from them.
I'm not speaking to me about the time I was attempting to warm up to be more open about sexual emotions and she tried to "encourage" me using calling me "a large slut" in the making.

I sense gross wondering about the time she grew to become a conversation about compliments into "you obtained over your trauma* so we could FUCK." I experience gross thinking about the time we had been speaking to me about anyone feeling much less by myself thanks to Floraverse, and how it pulled them returned from an emotional brink, and goopy tried to turn it into kink talk.

Like… One of the matters goopy did use to be like, spewing overwhelming bile towards a couple of my pals when I requested her in DMs how she was once feeling after people tried explaining to her that you shouldn’t simply barge into stage chat when any person is talking about their feelings, motive that’s rude.

Treading into some very morally difficult territory now, I discovered myself capable to relate to some of the goopy's activity in fictional artwork depicting underage characters, as engaging with it has helped my technique some of my messy, hectic emotions about infantilizing abuse I’ve continued developing up; and at first I concept I would be in a position to join with her over the heavy emotions that I had surrounding the subject--but it ended up that she was once simply using me to extract validation so that she didn’t have to think severely about her kinks, and the media she consumes.

I want I had reduced her out when she first established not being able to apprehend and address the troubles that make underage characters in sexual conditions so harmful in the first place, due to the fact being around her has stifled my capability to manner my stressful feelings, and warped myself an image, making me continuously anxious of being complete creep like her; even though I exercising a lot of effort closer to the contrary via engaging with tricky content material thoughtfully, respecting people’s boundaries, and retaining the line setting apart fiction from actuality clear and distinct.

I assume our friend group at the time had already wasted limitless hours giving her aftercare because we hurt her feelings by pointing out that something she did was once fucked up.

Like sure, possibly she did not recognize she used to be poking at a sore spot for me, but we were not, and had in no way been, on sexual or intimate terms, so it was remarkable fucking inappropriate regardless of what she didn’t be aware of or didn’t think.
that truly fucking hurts, given all the time we spent trying to instruct her fundamental shit like “empathy” and “no skill no”, the patience she was shown when she didn’t get it time & time again, the sheer fucking magnitude of silly self-sacrifice it takes to do that for anyone who simply can’t appear to stop hurting you...

I'd like to assume that with a more caring or mature play partner, the risky dynamic right here could have been recognized and disarmed faster (later my friends who have shown me an extremely good deal extra care than goopy were in a position to do exactly that).

 

[Rosechuspickle]

This is something that annoyed me about the apology. I doubt PK was as clueless as she likes to make herself out to be, on the account that she has always been an asshole. She ignores the fact that she was in fact a rude, nasty person while she was with Marl. While I can't bring up specific anecdotes, I recall her being very brash and cold with people regularly. Something that was also pretty common was her and Vee tagteaming on being snarky and shitty to people for daring to leave weird comments on her art.

I don't mean to make a statement about how abuse victims should or shouldn't act. It's simply that PK paints herself as a meek abused person with no voice throughout her relationship with Marl, when it's far from the truth. She had no qualms about being nasty to people and doesn't seem to have any now either.

Because the 'apology' is a manipulative attempt to make Marl the ONLY KF target. It was honestly one of the most unbelievable and poorly constructed 'victim testimonies' I have ever read especially based on PK's past patterns.

IRootie's account also sucked (which isn't surprising, PK is her senpai), she said Eevee and PK 'owned up' to their shit but they did nothing of the sort. Because:

1) Floraverse is still running (which gave Marl his platform)
2) The discord is still running (which she still uses to manipulate and abuse others)
3) There's 0 effort in PK's part to dox Marl if he's such a danger to society

Again, I'll repeat this here: MARL IS A HORRIBLE DISGUSTING DOGFUCKER WHO CREEPED ON MINORS AND SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. However, PK and Eevee knew and let it happen for 10+ years and still don't feel sorry for it based on their actions.

 

[LUNEKO]

Because the 'apology' is a manipulative attempt to make Marl the ONLY KF target. It was honestly one of the most unbelievable and poorly constructed 'victim testimonies' I have ever read especially based on PK's past patterns.

IRootie's account also sucked (which isn't surprising, PK is her senpai), she said Eevee and PK 'owned up' to their shit but they did nothing of the sort. Because:

1) Floraverse is still running (which gave Marl his platform)
2) The discord is still running (which she still uses to manipulate and abuse others)
3) There's 0 effort in PK's part to dox Marl if he's such a danger to society

Again, I'll repeat this here: MARL IS A HORRIBLE DISGUSTING DOGFUCKER WHO CREEPED ON MINORS AND SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. However, PK and Eevee knew and let it happen for 10+ years and still don't feel sorry for it based on their actions.

It's almost like the reason they're delaying taking Marl to court or dox him for so many years is so they can get away with the statute limitations of whatever state would be able to hold him accountable, granted i have no idea if the state this all happened in has any limitations but delaying this for so many years can't be good for the case, at this point im starting to believe Glip and co. are just delaying for as long as possible in order to claim "judge said its too late, we can't do anything oops!", they might as well still be enabling Marl by protecting him in every way they can while also claiming they are persecuting him but not actually doing anything. at best case scenario they're protecting him because the resulting investigation would incriminate them too, at worse they have always known and have always enabled him and continue to do so willingly

 

[Fistbeard_McThunderaxe]

Drama and controversy generate interest. What other place gives her free controversy than this thread? She doesn't have to pay for ads and this thread is a proxy for her comic. Users wear her art as avatars and create discussions about her updates.

What are the statistics on her ads vs this thread? If glip created no drama and didnt consistently use this thread for her art, would people still talk about her?

 

[Pukebucket]

It's almost like the reason they're delaying taking Marl to court or dox him for so many years is so they can get away with the statute limitations of whatever state would be able to hold him accountable, granted i have no idea if the state this all happened in has any limitations but delaying this for so many years can't be good for the case, at this point im starting to believe Glip and co. are just delaying for as long as possible in order to claim "judge said its too late, we can't do anything oops!", they might as well still be enabling Marl by protecting him in every way they can while also claiming they are persecuting him but not actually doing anything. at best case scenario they're protecting him because the resulting investigation would incriminate them too, at worse they have always known and have always enabled him and continue to do so willingly

In 2019, California (along with 19 other states) bumped up the statute of limitations for a victim to report child sexual assault or exploitation up until they (the victim) hit 40 years of age, or five years after discovery of the crime (whatever the fuck that means). California is one of the handful of states that don't remove the statute of limitations, although the time span in which such crimes can be reported is still within decades. While Marl could've easily moved to another state since then, if he was living in Cali at the time and some of these victims went to see him there then they would likely still be held to California law as the state where the crimes took place.

Child sex crimes are federal offenses, not local; Marl could move to Shithole, Alaska and still get arrested for shit that happened in Texas or New York State if he's positively identified and has a record. This can especially happen if he fails to show for court and gets an active bounty.

I personally believe the only reason Glip hasn't called the cops is that they're worried that their own dirty laundry will be aired. They already confessed to dogfucking (consensual or otherwise it's still relevant to Marl's actions and would very likely be put on record) and running a server where they posted porn that minors had largely unmoderated access to; if any of Glip's other victims beat them to the punch there is a very high likelihood that Glip themselves could get dragged in as well.

If Glip did go to the cops (I'm not holding my breath) maybe they could get a plea bargain in exchange, but they're too worried about other shit that might come out regarding Opa or Eevee or Glip themselves that could be incriminating so they aren't going to bother.

Marl is going to keep abusing kids, and Glip is going to continue to drag their feet and do fucking nothing about it while yelling at any suspected Kiwis on Discord about how angry they are random people from all over the internet took the time to compile the stale breadcrumbs others have been leaving about Marl's decades-long behavior.

 

[LUNEKO]

Marl is going to keep abusing kids, and Glip is going to continue to drag their feet and do fucking nothing about it while yelling at any suspected Kiwis on Discord about how angry they are random people from all over the internet took the time to compile the stale breadcrumbs others have been leaving about Marl's decades-long behavior.

Pretty much, at this point Glip is just blatantly enabling Marl and actively protecting him because she's just as guilty
200 pages and not a single cop called
2 years and running and no action has been taken
Their mouths keep running endlessly but their hands won't move
Glip is protecting Marl

 

[Rosechuspickle]

Pretty much, at this point Glip is just blatantly enabling Marl and actively protecting him because she's just as guilty
200 pages and not a single cop called
2 years and running and no action has been taken
Their mouths keep running endlessly but their hands won't move
Glip is protecting Marl

OH AND REMEMBER when PK said that a cop was in her house checking her things (like her tablet) and how angry and pissed off she was?
Why angry PK? Wouldn't that be a great chance to take the cop aside and come clean?

 

[RisingPhoenix]

This isn't even about Hare in particular, and I dislike calling this test fresh since these caps are from 2019 (but I think it's pretty clear Glip stands by their behavior here, so, whatever). And I would have posted these caps back in 2019 when it happened if that's what was interesting. However, with Glip talking up how Hare hurt them to the point of being suicidal- how she was "basically acted like Marl" I think it's worth taking a serious look at what actually happened. Because Hare isn't the only person Glip rails on about how horrible they where to them. And right now- Glip is trying to explain away how they enabled Marls zoo habbits with how horrible he was to them. So it's worth taking a look at how Glip defines abusive behavior.

This is a pretty clear cut example that Glip isn't honest when they talk about how someone abused them- so it's interesting to look at when Glip says they did bad thing x, y, z because of Marls abuse.

I think Marl did abuse Glip, for the record- but I also think Glip had more power and knowledge in that relationship then they care to admit.

Ah I thought this was recent - but it's still like... I don't want any more people (at least here) getting sucked into the mess that is the Flora discord. Hare did at least recognise it was a mistake so props there.

There's no need to play their games - I know it's getting popular to pass purity tests these days, but it's still true that if someone is willing to believe you are the worst - or opting to walk away rather than support you (and I mean actual support, not scenes of yelling how awful you are) , then those people were not real friends anyway.

Also yeah - I was gonna go into my view on PK's situation regarding Marl but the post was already long and then people don't read it.

IMO yes I get that she had a rotten model for family life that gave her a bad idea of what a half-decent relationship looks like. She also got a certain level of stockholm syndrome in dealing with her marriage to Marl. People complain that people didn't focus on Marl while forgetting that he played people close to him so they wouldn't spill details.

Heck I remember even pre-logs there was a lot of talk about how Marl generally kept to himself. The only real things people had on him was one Podcast where PK kinda spoke for him for the most part, and some comics from Eevee showing that PK and Vee basically just stayed in their computer room all day while Marl worked, did stuff and kept the house stocked with food and cleaned. He really didn't want that spotlight on him at all. So I do somewhat believe Glip really did bury herself in work to avoid awkward questions about her husband that subconsciously she knew she wouldn't like the answers to.

I do think PK has a certain right to live her life without hunting down Marl. The only exception is that she potentially knew what he was up to and one of his new usernames at some point. She should of taken to that to the authorities asap, it's likely a cold lead now so whatever. Marl could of gone thru a whole bunch of new partners and names at this point.

I do half wonder if she dropped it now, knowing people in the nearest circles are likely to not ask about going to the authorities as the people she likely seeks validation from are also likely in the "Abolish the Police" side of things.

 

[miseui]

Hi, I just want to say that I began sympathizing with Glip after I read their apology and account of abuse. I had been checking in on this thread every now and again since 2018 to see what was happening and I fervently believed that they and their partners really were bad people and everything people said was true. But then I saw how you lot dismissed literally everything they said in their documents as lies, only accepting their confession of fucking a dog as truth and believing they must've enjoyed it. I realized then that you people don't actually care about victims, but what you really care about is idle gossip. That should've been a given, given the nature of the forums, so I take full responsibility for my own misgivings.

However, the logs of Glip and co. "testing" Hare and Mushroom made me feel ill. No normal person with truthfully pure intentions rounds up someone like they're going to court and hounds them one at a time to get answers from them and if they don't provide explanations that satisfy you, give them the boot. That's horrible. What makes it worse is that it seems as if everyone in the server was spectating, waiting to be granted the ability to hound the victim(s) themselves.

What is the point? Is the point to grant Glip the ability to treat people the way the farms have treated them? So they can mentally jack themself off to being in control? That's disgusting. I think it's perfectly normal to want revenge on people who hurt you. That's an innate human desire. People are proud and like to feel in control. But what determines who you are as a person is whether or not you act on these desires, and how.

If you want to confront your friends or acquaintances about wrongdoings, it's best to do so in private. If you fear they are going to manipulate you and you won't be able to tell on your own, I think it's fine to bring a friend or two. But what's not fine is making a public spectacle about it and weaving some sort of "game" around the subject. That is so, so shitty. I cannot express that enough. It's not a matter of having shitty endurance, as Glip put it. Honestly, what they said about endurance is equivalent to the people who say "don't be sad, there are starving children in africa who are worse off!". I hate that. I hate that so much.

This subject is complicated. Speculation surrounding drama often spreads false narrative, but it's also important to out abusers so people are warned. People tend to lie on both sides though. Sometimes people just want to see others fall and sometimes people just want to save their own asses. I've begun taking what's said in this thread with a grain of salt, but those logs... that's fucking evidence. I know there's been logs in the past, but they were either of Marl or shit that was said so long ago that I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they changed, since people don't stay the same forever and tend to mature as they age. Those are from 2019 though, and pretty damn late in the year, too. That sucks so much. Glip really is not a good person. They almost had me, too.

TL;DR glip almost had me for a second but those logs are super damning and i never want to associate with them. i'd be too scared of being put in a situation like that. do they not realize how anxiety inducing that is? "we're going to interrogate you for hours and if you don't satisfy us, we're cutting you off"

 

[bonanus]

But then I saw how you lot dismissed literally everything they said in their documents as lies, only accepting their confession of fucking a dog as truth and believing they must've enjoyed it.

Your reading comprehension is pretty shallow, given that people on an Internet cow auctioning plaza have the right to dismiss a narcissist's account as something untruthful, given that this bitch has lied... like... how many times to cover Marl's ass over the past few years? The dog-fucking is funny, though, but she's always lied and could care less about victims that aren't her, so.

I realized then that you people don't actually care about victims, but what you really care about is idle gossip

We're not a gigantic hivemind, faggot, we're allowed to speculate and have a discussion. Of course, if you took any speculation was truth, that's on you. The thing about the Farms is that we don't gossip about fake shit, the entire point is to laugh and ridicule eccentric or horrifyingly abstract people for their actions. There's no point in having discussion about fake milk. There are some people who actually care, so you're only projecting your own feelings to the rest of the Farms.

This subject is complicated. Speculation surrounding drama often spreads false narrative, but it's also important to out abusers so people are warned. People tend to lie on both sides though. Sometimes people just want to see others fall and sometimes people just want to save their own asses. I've begun taking what's said in this thread with a grain of salt, but those logs... that's fucking evidence. I know there's been logs in the past, but they were either of Marl or shit that was said so long ago that I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they changed, since people don't stay the same forever and tend to mature as they age.

The human brain finishes maturing at 25 years old, these bitches have always been fully grown adults and continued acting like this -- in public, in private, whatever. False narratives start out as speculation, but could end up bastardized and that's why researching on your own is fucking important. There are sources out there that aren't just the Farms, nonetheless, this isn't drama and you're right, this is complicated. However, this thread and its 1600+ pages isn't going to magically disappear because some poz furry on the Internet says it should. What's alarming is Melanie's behavior, since she's an enormous narcissistic bitch that watches this thread 24/7 like a hawk and wishes that she could manipulate the information being said here. Why?

There's a stark contrast in how she acts unlike her victims, it's not just the logs that should persuade you, it's her actions.

Example: Melanie said if people didn't forgive her or whatever, she wouldn't mind. Lain didn't forgive her. Bigfluff hadn't even shown up with their response yet. A majority of the thread, if I'm not wrong, said the apology was bullshit.

Her response?

Make a shitty traumacore Floraverse webcomic as a response to everyone with a clear mind that'd doubt what she'd say after constantly lying like a dog-fucking white girl for years.

A stark contrast to maturity, alongside the other evidence that has gradually stacked up over the course of 4-5 years. Like any other liar, of course she'd be pissed that the Farms is destroying her "muh victim" narrative, it's not our job to ween out and stop her, we don't make up trolling plans like an Illuminati.

There's no point in forgiving someone's apology if they don't actually fucking change, Melanie is surrounded by horrible enablers and people who constantly idolize her like the perfect Ayatollah she is, and there is more evidence of why in the OP.

Glip really is not a good person. They almost had me, too.

At least, you understand this. Melanie is not and will never be a good person unless if she actually steps up and begins the process of getting her shit together, again, she is a grown woman and it's not anyone's job to do it for her. She's a vapid, manipulative cunt whose textbook narcissism makes her unable to act genuine. This is why her milk is plentiful, she has deluded herself into a corner and won't stop until she disposes of her cult, stops the attack therapy circlejerk, and disappears from the Internet.

Thing is, she loves the attention. So, why would she ever do that?

 

[miseui]

@join showderp I never really doubted the fact that Glip handled victim's accounts pretty shittily, and the stuff I said I could give them the benefit of the doubt in regards to maturing for was the stuff they said in their early 20s, before their brain finished developing. I apologize, I could've been more clear. I also don't obsessively follow their life or this thread, and when I do occasionally check in I only look at the two or three most recent pages, so I apologize if there are things I missed as well. I just wanted to give my own account of being swayed for a little while and how ill the "test" made me feel. Sorry if it irritated you. The farms is not my blog and it was uncalled for, so it was a pretty low IQ move on my part. Thank you for giving such a detailed response.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

but what you really care about is idle gossip

Well, yeah. We're here to discuss, not interact or plan stuff. The victims have already got help for their troubles and we're not therapists so we don't interfere with their recovery by pretending we are.

 

[Abra]

Something that really struck me about the logs Hare shared with us, that they already touched upon, was PK dumping accounts of her abuse over and over on them. As far as I can see, PK didn't ask if this was alright, she just barged forward with blabbing away. Boundaries/consent seems like something PK would care about, but where was the care when checking with Hare if this was okay to do? You can obviously tell by Hare's responses that they were unsettled by what they were hearing, but obviously it's very difficult to tell someone venting about things they've been through that you don't want to hear it.

The Floraverse community seems very narrowly focused on their traumas and sharing their abuse stories, that they forget to consider that not everyone is equipped to hear about these things willynilly. It's frightening. I'm sorry you had to go through that, Hare.

 

[Pukebucket]

Hi, I just want to say that I began sympathizing with Glip after I read their apology and account of abuse. I had been checking in on this thread every now and again since 2018 to see what was happening and I fervently believed that they and their partners really were bad people and everything people said was true. But then I saw how you lot dismissed literally everything they said in their documents as lies, only accepting their confession of fucking a dog as truth and believing they must've enjoyed it. I realized then that you people don't actually care about victims, but what you really care about is idle gossip. That should've been a given, given the nature of the forums, so I take full responsibility for my own misgivings.

However, the logs of Glip and co. "testing" Hare and Mushroom made me feel ill. No normal person with truthfully pure intentions rounds up someone like they're going to court and hounds them one at a time to get answers from them and if they don't provide explanations that satisfy you, give them the boot. That's horrible. What makes it worse is that it seems as if everyone in the server was spectating, waiting to be granted the ability to hound the victim(s) themselves.

What is the point? Is the point to grant Glip the ability to treat people the way the farms have treated them? So they can mentally jack themself off to being in control? That's disgusting. I think it's perfectly normal to want revenge on people who hurt you. That's an innate human desire. People are proud and like to feel in control. But what determines who you are as a person is whether or not you act on these desires, and how.

If you want to confront your friends or acquaintances about wrongdoings, it's best to do so in private. If you fear they are going to manipulate you and you won't be able to tell on your own, I think it's fine to bring a friend or two. But what's not fine is making a public spectacle about it and weaving some sort of "game" around the subject. That is so, so shitty. I cannot express that enough. It's not a matter of having shitty endurance, as Glip put it. Honestly, what they said about endurance is equivalent to the people who say "don't be sad, there are starving children in africa who are worse off!". I hate that. I hate that so much.

This subject is complicated. Speculation surrounding drama often spreads false narrative, but it's also important to out abusers so people are warned. People tend to lie on both sides though. Sometimes people just want to see others fall and sometimes people just want to save their own asses. I've begun taking what's said in this thread with a grain of salt, but those logs... that's fucking evidence. I know there's been logs in the past, but they were either of Marl or shit that was said so long ago that I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they changed, since people don't stay the same forever and tend to mature as they age. Those are from 2019 though, and pretty damn late in the year, too. That sucks so much. Glip really is not a good person. They almost had me, too.

TL;DR glip almost had me for a second but those logs are super damning and i never want to associate with them. i'd be too scared of being put in a situation like that. do they not realize how anxiety inducing that is? "we're going to interrogate you for hours and if you don't satisfy us, we're cutting you off"

A lot of the following ramble is just a retread of Glip's statement again. No new information, just expanded personal thoughts. Skip if uninterested. It started out as a response to the above topic but kinda devolved into an open letter to Glip.

Spoiler: Fucking Long

Essentially this has been my sentiment as well. Regardless of how "willing" Glip was to participate in Marl's shit, the fact of the matter is that he dated Glip at sixteen and took Glip away from a negligent home life, not because he genuinely gave a fuck about Glip's wellbeing, but because it would make them utterly reliant on him for support and he could use that however he wanted. This fact of the situation really isn't debatable or contestable; "But Glip was into the idea of bestiality as a teenager!" can get thrown around a bit but that's like 90% of most furries at that age. There are thousands of kids and teens who ship fucking Warrior cats who don't go out of their way to become Crusader Cat. Very few of them actually act on it, and those that do are usually enabled and encouraged by an adult, online or offline. There's a very small minority of animal rapists who act without being pushed or baited to do so in their adolescence.

I believe Glip when they claim that they didn't commit sexual acts against an animal until after Marl entered their life, is basically where I'm going with this.

Whether Glip "wanted" to fuck animals or not is almost irrelevant at this point; it would certainly make it much easier for Marl to convince Glip to do it in the long run if Glip did already have a passing interest in trying it, of course, but we know that Marl does this shit to every underage person who catches his attention regardless of their genuine interests. He did it to Bigfluff, he did it to Pengo, he did it to others. It's his MO. If Glip said no a hundred times he'd just keep pushing the issue under the guise of "don't knock it until you try it!" until they eventually said yes or left him; which, since he was supposedly in charge of the finances, would be difficult to do without external help. If Glip was alienated by their family due to their history and their relationship with Marl, it's very likely Glip would feel there is nowhere to go. Or, more accurately, Glip would've easily believed that was the case. Whether it was within two years or ten into their relationship, Marl would've pushed PK into getting involved with bestiality in some capacity so long as Glip was unable or unwilling to seek outside help. He has no qualms with playing the long game if he thought he could get away with it.

With that said, Glip is not without responsibility for allowing Marl to target others. Glip was aware that Marl had the capacity to do this to people, seeing as he did it to them. This is where the question of willingness comes in; Marl did the exact same shit to Glip, so where the fuck they get off in claiming that they had no possible idea Marl could do that to others? This is what raises the question for many on whether Glip was a willing participant or not regarding the animal sexual abuse. Namely, whether Glip truly believed that Marl was incapable of forcing people into having sex with animals (thus claims of Marl grooming minors unwillingly could be brushed aside as a lie, even if he was still very clearly grooming minors), because he didn't truly force Glip. Or, if Glip was forced into having sex with that dog, how the fuck would Glip come to the assumption that Marl couldn't or wouldn't do that to someone else? Clearly he didn't feel bad enough about it to not buy a dog later, despite Glip's supposed gut feeling. Glip was aware enough to know Marl probably wasn't getting the dog just to have a pet dog enough to ask about it.

Is it your fault, Glip, that Marl decided to target kids to spread his interests, including yourself? I'd personally say not exactly; Marl's actions are still Marl's actions, and whether he'd done them via Glip or done them via someone else he probably still would've groomed some poor kid into fucking dogs eventually for his entertainment. It's what he does. He's a sexual predator. Whether that kid had a precognisant interest or fetish would've made it easier and I'm sure having a server full of kids into Pokeporn helped his cause for sure, but at the end of the day if he wasn't a furry Marl would just settle for some other mentally challenged woman, popped out a few kids with her, and subjected them to that shit. Sexual predators will always find a way to do the shit they want to do and keeping it in the home is a covert means for many to get away with it. Glip was just a very easy mark.

Are you, Glip, still somewhat responsible for enabling Marl by refusing to contact the police, or a lawyer, or spousal abuse services, or literally fucking anybody who might be able to help you escape and seek legal action after other kids came to you with their concerns? Yes, especially when Marl was using your co-created platform to do it. The first time anyone called Marl out for that shit should've been the nail in the coffin, especially given your own history with him. I understand that gaslighting and emotional manipulation and psychological abuse can do a doozy on people's decision making, emotional responses, and ability to think for themselves; I lived in a similar situation (minus the dogfucking) and I know how it goes. This can even somewhat explain Glip's narcissism and aggressive behavior. It doesn't excuse it by any means, but how people respond to living in that kind of situation can be ugly and unpleasant.

But you were not an innocent bystander who had never been exposed to Marl's abuse, Glip. You lived through it, and then turned away when others admitted they'd also lived through it, when their experiences were almost word-for-fucking-word what Marl did to you. That is 100% on your shoulders, especially when you openly admitted to not bothering to find out the full story from them. You took Marl at his word despite having more evidence than anyone that Marl's word couldn't be fucking trusted.

And, to top it all off, to continue to defend your server when it was the hotbed of child grooming by Marl, when it's very likely that there are still sexual abusers that were aided and abetted by Marl possibly lurking around? Glip, with all sincerity, are you out of your fucking mind? Letting your old admins stay just because they've offered paltry sympathies to you instead of Marl isn't proof that they aren't capable of doing the same shit as him. You could barely pay fucking attention when your own live-in husband's victims approached you with evidence of his abuse; how the hell are you going to actually take notice when legitimate sexual predators, like Goopy, use your platform for the same shit?

It took you ages to get rid of Goopy. Why? Was it because they "sympathized with me instead of Marl" so they couldn't possibly be doing that to avoid repercussions, or was it "I wanted to take my frustration on Marl out on another sexual predator, but only once it was undeniable that they were a sexual predator, as in after they harassed children in a visible way"? I suspect it's both, but if it was the latter than you are not a paragon of defending children from harm, Glip. You are just looking to validate your own suffering by allowing other members to be subjected to harassment so you can use that as an excuse to live out your little revenge fantasy of holding Marl on trial for crimes against you.

This isn't even going into the Hare stuff; I've already made my thoughts on that very clear.

In Closing;
Floraverse has been rotten at it's core since Marl has been part of it, so at least since the beginning. Attempting to carve out the rot and save what's left is not only damaging the bad parts of the community, but it's damaging the good and even salvageable parts as well; the users who came there to try and help clean it up are getting put under the same knife as people like Goopy, all because you can't get your head out of your ass and shut it down for good.

You can have your emotional therapy art without posting it to the fucking internet, Glip. You do not need to subject anyone else to your suffering and risk exposing them to the creeps you've made it very clear you'll do nothing about.