Lolcow Melinda Leigh Scott & Marshall Castersen - Sue-happy couple. Flat earth conspiracists. Pretending to be Jewish. Believe Kiwi Farms is protected by the Masonic Order. 0-6 on lawsuits. Marshall is dead.

[LoverofPi]

That's not dehumanizing someone for having sex. I never said I looked down on his wife for having sex. I said I was sceptical that she was sexually faithful to him because she's an athiest.

If someone is an athiest, from where do they derive their moral compass to be sexually faithful?

The social contract, same as everyone else.

If you would answer that they have a "good heart", and that heart leads them naturally to be sexually faithful, the answer is insufficient. Reason is, because humans are designed and only ultimately motivated by a combination and balance of self interest and the best interest of others.

Consequently, what motivates an athiest to care about the best interest of others when there is something they want or lust for because of their own self interest? What would drive their self control to not act upon lust?

Athiests tend to believe that "happiness" is the greatest good, not "morality". So what's stopping them from pursuing their "happiness" despite it's impact on others?.

Wow, you have a really shitty view of humanity, and you're the one that believes we were divinely created. The best interest of the group and the self are often very closely aligned because a well run society means a more stable and comfortable existence for the self.

Why do you believe that my religious convictions formed in order to support my belief that I am YHWHs Elect and not the other way around?: That my self reflection on my personality and past actions led me believe I should return to YHWH?

Because of the way you view the world and act. You exude entitlement and feigned superiority. You want to be superior, so you invent a reason to be superior that no one can call you out on.

Why do believe that you can be a good person if you are estranged from The Torah?

Because the torah is not the singular and sole arbiter of goodness.

Where did I ever say I had a "poor childhood"? I said I was in foster care and practiced "radical acceptance". That I had other adults in my life that were positive influences. And that I was grateful for my childhood because I didn't have Christian parents standing in the way of me coming to The Torah

Fair, that you had a "poor" childhood was technically a value judgement, but you admit to all the elements which we take to conclude you had a less than ideal childhood, including being taken from your parents and being put into foster care.

Actually I said the opposite. Refer to comment #8217, 8228

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/melinda-leigh-scott-marshall-castersen.32118/post-6900055

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/melinda-leigh-scott-marshall-castersen.32118/post-6900113

Are the posts in question. You really ought to learn to link to things, Mel. Anyways, that's not the opposite of you deciding that the posters here don't have degrees and are uneducated.

Oh, yeah, I have heard your argument about atheists before. That they have no morals, that all they care about it their own happiness and immediate gratification, blah blah blah. It's always the religious extremists like you who say it, as if you're some sort of expert in what a whole diverse group of millions of other people think and believe.
It's sad that your bad life experience and some bunk statistics that you picked up somewhere on the internet have convinced you that unconditional love, trustworthy relationships, and people that can be good and kind honest without a religious belief exist, but they all do.the world isn't all broken and mean and spiteful like you.

I've found the people who tend to think Atheists can't have morals or no moral compass generally have the least developed ones, and typically are also the sort to say that if they did not believe in a higher power they would be horrible amoral monsters.

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

You want to be superior, so you invent a reason to be superior that no one can call you out on.

And this statement is based on....?

Actually I agree with you here. Porn is a public health crisis. Although, Im not sure if your statistics are correct. If you could cite your source next time thatd be helpful.

I wear the white ribbon!

You got any sources for that?

You have to do your own homework, sorry! I have 6 children, so my internet time is limited!

Bullshit. I want peer reviewed studies now.

LOL

Now I'm motivated enough to at least post this....

Ashley Madison married people's affair site now has 60 million users.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/23/ashley-madison-is-back-with-30-million-cheating-spouses-signed-since-the-hack

 

[Toasty]

You have to do your own homework, sorry! I have 6 children, so my internet time is limited!

As usual, dumb bitch cites a bunch of phony statistics that back up her dystopian world view, that make it look like her little cult are the only pure ones around. But when asked for a source, is incapable of providing a single one.
Dumb bitch is dumb.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

And this statement is based on....?




I wear the white ribbon!




You have to do your own homework, sorry! I have 6 children, so my internet time is limited!




LOL

Now I'm motivated enough to at least post this....

Ashley Madison married people's affair site now has 60 million users.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/23/ashley-madison-is-back-with-30-million-cheating-spouses-signed-since-the-hack

This is proof of literally nothing lmao. I want proof that most people in the US have had an extended affair, as you claim.

 

[Bloitzhole]

Why do you believe that my religious convictions formed in order to support my belief that I am YHWHs Elect and not the other way around?: That my self reflection on my personality and past actions led me believe I should return to YHWH?

I'd rather not become a part of this uh...."discussion" but I had to go and open my big orange mouth so....

I am somewhat puzzled by the first half of this statement. Your religious conviction, to my understanding, is that you are one of the special chosen ones (because you worship a particular deity and live by particular rules) so to me it reads as "Why do you believe that my religious convictions formed in order to support my religious convictions".

As to the second half: Memory - and self reflection must rely somewhat on our perceived experiences - is a fickle thing that is easily adjusted by (self) suggestion (Strange et al). Cognitive dissonance, which is the unpleasant state of mind where our actions do not line up with our believes, or multiple believes don't jive with eachother can also be resolved by altering our perceptions of past events and memories themselves (Festinger 1957, though his book "When prophecy fails" is a more interesting account of the observation that was first used to support the theory)

The human mind is self-serving in this regard. As such, based on how you have conducted yourself here and what you've shared, I simply consider it more probable that your reflections serve naught but your, in a way astonishingly fragile, ego

I'm not going to get deep into the atheism and morality debate, that topic ought to be resolved by now, but just to throw it out there - one can be an adherent to a myriad of philosophies that promote kinship among all people, being useful to others, truthful conduct and doing no harm, without any god ever entering the picture (and many greek schools of thought can do without any interfering or interested god, be it the stoics or the epicureans)

(If anyone is interested on just how unreliable memory is, check out the famous 1995 "lost in the mall" experiment or one of the others referenced in the source below)
Strange, D., Gerrie, M. P., & Garry, M. (2005). A few seemingly harmless routes to a false memory. Cognitive Processing, 6(4), 237-242.

Festinger, L. (1957). A theory of cognitive dissonance (Vol. 2). Stanford university press.

 

[Spergichu]

And this statement is based on....?




I wear the white ribbon!




You have to do your own homework, sorry! I have 6 children, so my internet time is limited!




LOL

Now I'm motivated enough to at least post this....

Ashley Madison married people's affair site now has 60 million users.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/23/ashley-madison-is-back-with-30-million-cheating-spouses-signed-since-the-hack

As someone who touts their knowledge at every possibility, I'm shocked that Melinda isn't following the most basic of philosophical razors with her claims, chief among which being Hitchen's razor and Sagan's standard.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

You make a claim, even if it is something as mundane as what you had for breakfast this morning, you should be ready to present evidence to support your claim. If you're "too busy" to back up a claim you make, then you have no place making that claim in the first place. Also, according to the CDC, there are only approximately 2.1 million married couples in the US. (So around 4.2 million people who are married) I highly doubt that there are almost 30 million unique users primarily from the US registered to a single site aimed at committing extra-marital affairs that only joined AFTER said site had a massive data breach.

Here's my source on that marriage statistic: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/marriage-divorce.htm

 

[Deadpool]

You have to do your own homework, sorry! I have 6 children, so my internet time is limited!

Then you should shut up and not make assertions you don't intend to back up. If you say something without evidence I'll ignore it and assume you're talking out of your ass as you're known to do. It's not our responsibility to prove the validity of your arguments.

Ashley Madison married people's affair site now has 60 million users.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdof...illion-cheating-spouses-signed-since-the-hack

Ok that doesn't prove that sixty million people are cheating on a spouse or intend to. People could be signing up for other reasons like
Searching for people they know.
Archiving purposes for sites similar to ours.
Out of curiosity and boredom.
Catfishing people.
People in an open relationship looking for someone.

I will grant the site concept is trashy as fuck and the site no doubt causes more pain than it's worth.

 

[Burmese Rice Farmer]

You have to do your own homework, sorry! I have 6 children, so my internet time is limited!

That's not how arguments work, you can't say shit and when confronted for evidence say "lol fuck you no". Remember, what can be cited without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

edit: i am very late

 

[LoverofPi]

And this statement is based on....?

I mean, I could just respond with a comment like "gestures at this thread," but to be slightly less flippant, what can't I base that statement on. Your enraged responses at people, your weird fixation on how certain people must be cheaters, uneducated, amoral, etc. Heck, I've lost track of the number of times you've repeated variations of the phrase "who are you to judge me" "you have no right to judge me," or claimed to have secret knowledge you refused to explain.

Also THAT'S the part of my whole response you chose to respond to? Again, what you choose to respond to and how you choose to respond to it is very telling, Mel. It's all just information that builds and builds into a more and more accurate portrait of your psyche, of the way you proclaim you view the world, and the way you actually view the world that you let slip when you're off balance.

 

[redcent]

Because blind trust, like unconditional love, is folly.



Like I said, unconditional love and unconditional respect are folly

most people form trust and love over time. It isn't exactly blind love or blind trust. You sound like someone with trust issues if you think checking people's phones is the norm. What have you got against trust? You hate forgiveness too. Why.

Yet 60% of Americans (USA) report that they have had an affair on their partner and that doesn't include one night stands.

90% of people report having thought about having an affair.

30% of women are addicted to porn.
75% of men are addicted to porn

Just statistics I've picked up online over the years

And this is my view of humanity

I had no idea that America was the sole country where humanity resided

 

[Deadpool]

What have you got against trust? You hate forgiveness too. Why.

That has to be a fucking terrible way to live. I have friends and family I'd trust with my life and vice versa. People who have forgiven me for transgressions and that I've forgiven for theirs and we're closer for it. Trust and forgiveness are pretty much the basic building blocks of healthy relationships and society in general. A life without those things wouldn't be worth living.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

Maybe Melinda has trouble trusting Marshall because she started her relationship with Marshall while he was still married to his previous wife. Melinda spent a lot of time early in this thread bragging about her own righteousness, about how she'd never get with a cheater, how glad she was that Marshall was free and unattached when they met. How Marshall was such a good man, a righteous man.

But none of that was true, was it Melinda?

There's all sorts of things like that, if you reread the thread. Melinda's stories about almost everything have evolved or changed as info has been found to contradict her statements, or as she's lost track of her misrepresentations of the truth. It's not worth it to me to spend time going over her statements in detail, but rereading the thread leaves you with an absolute conviction that Melinda very rarely tells the open, unvarnished truth about anything. She's always embellishing, always changing little details, always shading things to make herself look better.

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

Maybe Melinda has trouble trusting Marshall because she started her relationship with Marshall while he was still married to his previous wife. Melinda spent a lot of time early in this thread bragging about her own righteousness, about how she'd never get with a cheater, how glad she was that Marshall was free and unattached when they met. How Marshall was such a good man, a righteous man.

But none of that was true, was it Melinda?

There's all sorts of things like that, if you reread the thread. Melinda's stories about almost everything have evolved or changed as info has been found to contradict her statements, or as she's lost track of her misrepresentations of the truth. It's not worth it to me to spend time going over her statements in detail, but rereading the thread leaves you with an absolute conviction that Melinda very rarely tells the open, unvarnished truth about anything. She's always embellishing, always changing little details, always shading things to make herself look better.

He wasn't in a Covenant when I got with him. You're full of narcissistic narration.

The other small but very important detail you overlooked was that the marital rights of an Israelite woman are not the same as those of a Goy woman. You aren't making the connection

I mean, I could just respond with a comment like "gestures at this thread," but to be slightly less flippant, what can't I base that statement on. Your enraged responses at people, your weird fixation on how certain people must be cheaters, uneducated, amoral, etc. Heck, I've lost track of the number of times you've repeated variations of the phrase "who are you to judge me" "you have no right to judge me," or claimed to have secret knowledge you refused to explain.

Also THAT'S the part of my whole response you chose to respond to? Again, what you choose to respond to and how you choose to respond to it is very telling, Mel. It's all just information that builds and builds into a more and more accurate portrait of your psyche, of the way you proclaim you view the world, and the way you actually view the world that you let slip when you're off balance.

I ignore a lot of what you say because you're an emotional vampire with little substance in your writing. Mostly accusations with which I simply disagree

Your head is a muddy puddle unable to sort out details and facts to form reliable and accurate conclusions

That has to be a fucking terrible way to live. I have friends and family I'd trust with my life and vice versa. People who have forgiven me for transgressions and that I've forgiven for theirs and we're closer for it. Trust and forgiveness are pretty much the basic building blocks of healthy relationships and society in general. A life without those things wouldn't be worth living.

And I'm sure you have many transgressions to be forgiven for

Living the way you think is actually the "nightmare". You live within a social contract that reinforces sin as a normal way of life

 

[Toasty]

He wasn't in a Covenant when I got with him. You're full of narcissistic narration.

Oh, so he was married, but Melinda decided it didn't count, so she ignored the fact that he was married, so it magically wasn't adultery! Cool story!

marital rights of an Israelite woman are not the same as those of a Goy woman.

If I use silly anachronistic and wholly inapropriate words to describe myself and people I don't like, it will magically make me innocent of the wrong doing I've spent all day accusing nearly every one else of, right?
Wrong bitch. You are by definition an adulteress. Just accept it. You turning religion into a pretzel to justify it just makes you look disingenuous, and foolish.

You live within a social contract that reinforces sin as a normal way of life

According to who?

 

[SS Reichsmarshall]

To clarify, I do believe that porn is bad for you if consumed in large amounts. There have been multiple scientific studies showing that porn use causes low libido and impotence in men. I agree with Melinda on that. Where I disagree with @TamarYaelBatYah is (((who))) is responsible for there being so much pornography in our socieities. Melinda would blame the patriarchy, whereas I blame the Noses. Almost all major porn studios are owned by noses or crypto-noses.

https://fightthenewdrug.org/porn-considered-a-public-health-concern/

 

[Toasty]

To clarify, I do believe that porn is bad for you if consumed in large amounts. There have been multiple scientific studies showing that porn use causes low libido and impotence in men. I agree with Melinda on that. Where I disagree with @TamarYaelBatYah is (((who))) is responsible for there being so much pornography in our socieities. Melinda would blame the patriarchy, whereas I blame the Noses. Almost all major porn studios are owned by noses or crypto-noses.

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https://fightthenewdrug.org/porn-considered-a-public-health-concern/

It almost sounds like porn, much like many of the vices of life, should be indulged in with moderation.

 

[redcent]

That has to be a fucking terrible way to live. I have friends and family I'd trust with my life and vice versa. People who have forgiven me for transgressions and that I've forgiven for theirs and we're closer for it. Trust and forgiveness are pretty much the basic building blocks of healthy relationships and society in general. A life without those things wouldn't be worth living.

It is a terrible life, but that's how it is with some folks, sadly. Some had a shit life growing up, their trust was broken, or maybe they just end up a paranoid schizo, and so on. That said though, there's usually a cause, a reason for this distrust, and with help people can see the world isn't all doom and gloom. But first they have to want to get help.

Living the way you think is actually the "nightmare". You live within a social contract that reinforces sin as a normal way of life

What's so "nightmarish" about it?

What are you scared of Mel? Why does the outside world make you uncomfortable?

 

[Karl der Grosse]

Without anger, bitterness, paranoia, and unearned feelings of self-righteousness, Melinda wouldn't have much of an inner life at all.

 

[LoverofPi]

I ignore a lot of what you say because you're an emotional vampire with little substance in your writing. Mostly accusations with which I simply disagree

I see you've found a new favorite term and are misusing it with abandon. Did someone call you an emotional vampire recently? Apt to turn it around against someone?

Anyways, Mel, you ignore most of what I say because you literally can't answer it. I've asked you questions about your bizarre beliefs about the material world time and again and you have inevitably let every one drop without an actual answer.

Your head is a muddy puddle unable to sort out details and facts to form reliable and accurate conclusions

Was... was this supposed to be scathing? Mel, you have already established yourself as a poor judge of character and not exactly the brightest bulb. Your insult is basically just a wet fart.

Living the way you think is actually the "nightmare". You live within a social contract that reinforces sin as a normal way of life

Sin according to whom? You? Why should we care about what you think of as sin?

 

[Deadpool]

It os a terrible life, but that's how it is with some folks, sadly. Some had a shit life growing up, their trust was broken, or maybe they just end up a paranoid schizo, and so on. That said though, there's usually a cause, a reason for this distrust, and with help people can see the world isn't all doom and gloom. But first they have to want to get help.

Honestly knowing this and the fact that she is legitimately paranoid enough to believe jokes and shit posts are credible threats are almost enough to make me feel bad for her. Until she shows what a despicable cunt she is with a post like:

He wasn't in a Covenant when I got with him. You're full of narcissistic narration.

The other small but very important detail you overlooked was that the marital rights of an Israelite woman are not the same as those of a Goy woman. You aren't making the connection

Look it's default Piglinda defense number one "it's ok when I do it, because reasons!"

And I'm sure you have many transgressions to be forgiven for

Actually no. In real life I try and treat people as I want to be treated with fairness and kindness. I've forgiven more often than I've needed to seek forgiveness, and do both freely, openly, and unashamedly. I haven't even had to file a protective order on anyone either! Unlike the dozen or so you've had to file, because you're an unlikeable cunt who can make people hate her in minutes.

Living the way you think is actually the "nightmare". You live within a social contract that reinforces sin as a normal way of life

I'm sure treating people kindly as equals, and freely offering apologies and forgiveness would be a nightmare for a demonic personification of narcassim like you. You have to be willing to acknowledge your mistakes to seek forgiveness, and reflect on them to offer it. Being able to do those things is a sign of strength to anyone with any kindness or intelligence, and a sign of weakness to nasty stupid cunts, such as yourself and Manlet Marshall.