America's changing demographics

[RockVolnutt]

What's your opinions on the subject? Will Tumblr and the current DNC get their dream of whitey dying off and a start of a "Progressive POC America"? Will /pol/ get it's race war and balkanization? Am I mistaken on thinking the stats are easy to manipulate for whatever you want to believe and racists are making the dumb mistake of assuming these things are static on top of that?

 

[millais]

America will inevitably develop into a majority minority population, just as the DNC's pet demographers say, but many of the second and third generation brownskins will not vote for the Democrats because after cultural assimilation has occurred, the brownskins' economic and social interests largely intersect with those of the whiteskins. This is visible in the Democrats' poor showing among White and Non-White Hispanic demographic in the 2016 general election. Many self-reported American-born Hispanics in the census are culturally just whites with only nominal Hispanic ethnicity by descent (maybe just with 1-2 Hispanic grandparents), and subsequently they vote like whites. Even among the ones that retain their cultural identity after the second or third generation, once they have accrued wealth and assets worth protecting, they will of course be just like whites in the same socioeconomic bracket and vote for the party that guarantees the most extensive tax cuts.

 

[RockVolnutt]

America will inevitably develop into a majority minority population, just as the DNC's pet demographers say, but many of the second and third generation brownskins will not vote for the Democrats because after cultural assimilation has occurred, the brownskins' economic and social interests largely intersect with those of the whiteskins. This is visible in the Democrats' poor showing among White and Non-White Hispanic demographic in the 2016 general election. Many self-reported American-born Hispanics in the census are culturally just whites with only nominal Hispanic ethnicity by descent (maybe just with 1-2 Hispanic grandparents), and subsequently they vote like whites. Even among the ones that retain their cultural identity after the second or third generation, once they have accrued wealth and assets worth protecting, they will of course be just like whites in the same socioeconomic bracket and vote for the party that guarantees the most extensive tax cuts.

Wouldn't that lead to shrinking as well afterwards?

 

[The Great Chandler]

In all honesty, I could care less if we end up having a minority become a majority. The only problem is whether we can stick to being the Democracy we have or end up becoming a giant banana republic.

 

[millais]

Maybe I'm just jaded, but given previous examples, it can only really end in a racial dictatorship. All formerly white countries so far that have been left to minority majority populations end up using the past as a standing point from which to extend their power. First Rhodesia, and now South Africa doesn't look like it's heading in a good direction either. With America's past, it'll be just as easy. You get a bad combination of white guilt and minority nationalism which skyrockets them into power, where they'll immediately seek 'revenge'

It is a different story in America than in Rhodie or SA. Their mistake was transitioning too quickly to majority rule, which immediately undercut the pre-existing power structure and influence of the political parties representing the white minority. In US, we already have majority rule and the gradual influx of non-whites will not be fast or radical enough to overturn the existing two-party system. Plus in US, Hispanic group assimilates very quickly into the White cultural group, similar to Irish in 19th century. While continued influx of new Hispanic immigrant will maintain some level of distinctness and distance between Non-White Hispanic group and White group, large swathe of them will ultimately be assimilated within couple generations as they interbreed with the Whites. Black cultural group does not assimilate into the White very much, but they have stagnant population growth for their demographic and will not be a big bloc compared to the faster growing minority ethnicities. Blacks already were displaced by Hispanics as the largest minority group for some years now. The other thing that differs between SA and Rhodie and the US is that in SA and Rhodie, the blacks effectively united under a single black majority rule party in order to successfully overpower the whites in the legislature and government. Even though they were subdivided into many tribal affiliations and subsidiary parties, they all were united into a coalition against white minority rule. In the US, the minority ethnicities are not nearly as unified politically as the black Africans. While there may be some shared desire to displace the white control of government, many of the minority ethnicities in the US have fundamental and irreconcilable differences in their economic and social interests. Furthermore, they cannot form a strong coalition against the White Republicans because there will always be too many defectors from amongst their own minority ranks. Many of the anti-abortion Catholic Hispanics will defect (so Texas will never turn fully blue, for example), the affluent Asians who want the tax cuts and less affirmative action will defect, the blacks who despise welfare leeches will defect, and so on.

 

[KillaClown1488]

America will inevitably develop into a majority minority population, just as the DNC's pet demographers say, but many of the second and third generation brownskins will not vote for the Democrats because after cultural assimilation has occurred, the brownskins' economic and social interests largely intersect with those of the whiteskins. This is visible in the Democrats' poor showing among White and Non-White Hispanic demographic in the 2016 general election. Many self-reported American-born Hispanics in the census are culturally just whites with only nominal Hispanic ethnicity by descent (maybe just with 1-2 Hispanic grandparents), and subsequently they vote like whites. Even among the ones that retain their cultural identity after the second or third generation, once they have accrued wealth and assets worth protecting, they will of course be just like whites in the same socioeconomic bracket and vote for the party that guarantees the most extensive tax cuts.

You're wrong about quite a lot in this wall of text, but this one is verifiably incorrect. Trump did do better with racial minority groups than either McCain or Romney, but he did substantially worse than Bush. Part of the reason Trump won (the electoral college, mind you, not the popular vote) was because racial minorities voted less than in 2008 and 2012, and whites voted more.

Moreover, your point about second- and third- generation hispanic immigrants voting for Republicans is also verifiably incorrect. Studies have shown that these individuals become more liberal, if anything. While first generation hispanics might vote republican because of abortion or some other religious issue, subsequent generations adopt standard liberal values including heavy social spending.

 

[Broseph Stalin]

Will Tumblr and the current DNC get their dream of whitey dying off and a start of a "Progressive POC America"?

Probably not. Whites will exist one way or another. I've known Cantus, Sanchezes, Gonzalezes, Hinojosas, etc. that pass for white, even speak without a Hispanic accent. Demographics are always changing and fluctuating. Hell, if you look at birth rates across the globe, they're actually pretty low in most Western countries. White, brown, black, yellow, it doesn't matter, birth rates are declining for every group. The governments think that importing more immigrants will solve everything, but in truth, that won't help one bit. We're overpopulated, and the last thing we need are more mouths to feed, but no only that, we're in a pretty shitty economic situation. It takes money, and A LOT of money, to properly raise a family. The welfare state can only do so much for the Kebabs. Most of the ones being brought into Europe can't even read, write, or give two shits to learn the language of the country they're in. So when the high paying white collar job or skilled blue collar job comes up, who is going to get it: Heinrich Augsburg, who has a passion and wealth of knowledge for the field he is going into, or Muhammad ibn al-Fickifickin, migrant from Crapistan with a poor command of the German language, IQ of 79, and no skills or desire to learn a trade?

Will /pol/ get it's race war and balkanization?

Generation Z is shaping up to be Generation Zyklon-B. They're much more conservative than Millenials (Praise Kek). How conservative? That remains to be seen. With the possibility of a Califrexit, the future country of The People's Democratic Republic of California might end up being heralded as a beacon of light for a POC ethnostate, with the only caveat for white people being that they have to be gay, trans, or have their girlfriend/wife knocked up by Tyrone to atone for their "white guilt". Of course, this place will most likely devolve into a hellhole, with many trying to escape to the safety of America, or take their chances in Mexico. /pol/ might not get its RaHoWa, but we might see some kind of low intensity race war break out before it gets shut down by the national guard, because really, the government won't let that shit fly.

Am I mistaken on thinking the stats are easy to manipulate for whatever you want to believe and racists are making the dumb mistake of assuming these things are static on top of that?

Demographics, especially those that project shit into the near-future (Like 2050, 2060, etc.) rely on data collected in the present. Everything is constant, and not set in stone. They're called "projections" for a reason. I could project that Europe will be turned into Eurabia by 2030 and made into a progressive Islamic paradise, but out of left field comes a ultranationalist uprising that sees the ethnic cleansing of all Kebabs in Europe, a full-scale invasion of Turkey resulting in the reconquering of Constantinople, and Islam being officially outlawed throughout the West with anyone practicing it being put under surveillance for a short time before being hauled off to a concentration camp, if they're lucky. And I could project that the Democrats will win in 2024 (I'm being realistic here since they don't stand a fucking chance in 2020), but due to California being swallowed up by the Pacific Ocean after the big ass overdue earthquake, the Democratic party loses a staggering majority of its voter base, thus sealing their fate as a failed political party.
TL;DR Shit happens all the time that changes demographics. There's no way to truly tell how things are going to look in the future. People in 1960 thought we would have flying cars in the far off year of 2010. But look at us now.

 

[ZeCommissar]

Will /pol/ get it's race war and balkanization?

No, the vast majority of people (I am speaking for the US anyway) wouldn't get involved in such stupid shit, and I doubt Western Europe would either. A small scale racial conflict like black people rioting after a police shooting, or some nazi shoots up a black gathering is entirely possible and will happen again, but I doubt some massive racial war is going to happen.

Unlike the Jews of the late 1930s and early 1940s, I highly doubt people are just going to roll over and get tricked into going to the gas chamber. And considering how far society has come, if you say start killing all blacks, plenty of whites would try to stop you.

In the scenario /pol/ does get their race war, the members on the board will probably shit themselves and do nothing.

 

[DNJACK]

THIS IS ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS SHUT IT DOWN I DONT LIKE IT

 

[Broseph Stalin]

In the scenario /pol/ does get their race war, the members on the board will probably shit themselves and do nothing.

Or they'd just do what they're doing with Antifa and doxx the niggo hordes and their white pleb tier betacuck slaveboys.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Since this is a recurring topic in certain threads, I've decided to create a thread here for people to discuss this recurring meme that "Demographics is Destiny" and how a Latino majority will somehow vote in a 1000-year Woke Reich or something.

I personally don't put much stock in it for a variety of reasons.

First off is the fact that the Latino community has more in common with the "White Ethnic" immigrant groups of the 1800's and 1900's (Italians, Irish, Poles, Greeks, Slavs, Ulster Scots) in terms of how they arrived here and why they arrived as well as their own cultural values.

The real issue is the unsecured border and the fact that corrupt state governments (California being the most egregious example) try to ensure that there remains a permanent underclass of city-dwelling "fresh off the boat" immigrants and their children to serve as a voting bloc.

The other issue I have with it is that it's going off the notion that the current Sixth Party System will remain in place forever. It got its start in the late 60's and 70's, but it really didn't become fully codified until 1980.

1980 was forty years ago. The 1968 election was over fifty years ago. We're long overdue for another party realignment and major shift in the platforms, and I think the rise of Trump in 2016 (and The Squad in 2018 as well) are early signs of an impending realignment. If Trump wins 2020 and the Dems experience major losses in 2022, I think the Seventh Party System will truly begin in earnest.

It's entirely possible that the Seventh Party System could render the "demographics is destiny" issue a moot point if the parties do a total realignment. Feel free to disagree with me, I'm not an expert and this is just conjecture on my part.

 

[Rand /pol/]

Here's the thing, non-whites in general have probably been getting more liberal over time as opposed to more conservative.

In the 1980 presidential election 56% of Hispanics and 83% of Blacks voted Carter. In ths 2018 midterms 69% of Hispanics and 90% of blacks voted for Democratic candidates.

In the 1992 election (the first election I could find with numbers on Asians) 31% of Asians voted for Bill Clinton, and in the 2018 midterm 77% of Asians voted for Democratic candidates.

The only reason Republicans won 2016 is because the electoral college system disproportionately values votes in rural (whiter) states and because the Republican base (boomers) has the highest turnout rates for elections. I don't see the long term as particularly good looking for Conservatives.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

Nobody has that idea and you're confusing western civilization for being conservative, which is a Ben Shapiro talking point. This is the kind of stuff only people who read too much r/thedonald or read too much a&n believe, that by somehow importing more traditional non white masses we can somehow attain a better state. To own the libs we must destroy what remains of only 12% of the global population.
The idea is demographics is destiny is certain blocks vote in consistent ways along party lines, theres always gonna be 80%+ black people voting dems unless there's a specific situation.
This idea applies to latino too who overwhelmingly vote democrat except for in Florida where cubans vote 51% Republican, 49% dem which I mean for escaping from a communist dictator is pretty shocking.

You don't understand this phrase and seem to be misunderstanding it for "castizo futurism". If your logic was what people wanted then the right would praise Brazil more, which is never ever does unless it's about Bolsonaro fixing the country(which he isn't lol).

 

[The Pink Panther]

Nobody has that idea and you're confusing western civilization for being conservative, which is a Ben Shapiro talking point. This is the kind of stuff only people who read too much r/thedonald or read too much a&n believe, that by somehow importing more traditional non white masses we can somehow attain a better state. To own the libs we must destroy what remains of only 12% of the global population.
The idea is demographics is destiny is certain blocks vote in consistent ways along party lines, theres always gonna be 80%+ black people voting dems unless there's a specific situation.
This idea applies to latino too who overwhelmingly vote democrat except for in Florida where cubans vote 51% Republican, 49% dem which I mean for escaping from a communist dictator is pretty shocking.
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You don't understand this phrase and seem to be misunderstanding it for "castizo futurism". If your logic was what people wanted then the right would praise Brazil more, which is never ever does unless it's about Bolsonaro fixing the country(which he isn't lol).
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So what's the solution you pose for this?

Abolish the two-party system and allow a bunch of parties that share different brands of ideology of each part of the political spectrum to have a fair play?

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

So what's the solution you pose for this?

Abolish the two-party system and allow a bunch of parties that share different brands of ideology of each part of the political spectrum to have a fair play?

parties

 

[The Pink Panther]

One party states are gay, faaggot.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

One party states are gay, faaggot.

Sorry, what were you saying about gay again?

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-tranny-porn-question.74237/

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The USA is pretty fucked in that regard, the democrat party is too succesful in branding itself as the non-white party and the republicans can't do shit to rmove that perception. So the democrats have a growing demographic advantage, especially once the cancer in their cities makes the richer leftists spread to other states. Even worse, as marking party lines at race identity can cause calls for red states to quit the union since it's no longer a democracy.
You'd think latinos, having run away from countries with shit socialist economies and being generally more religeous wouldn't support the party that tries to implement the same economy style and is growing closer to allowing post birth abortion. But latin american isn't sending its best.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

So what's the solution you pose for this?

Abolish the two-party system and allow a bunch of parties that share different brands of ideology of each part of the political spectrum to have a fair play?

It would be interesting to see the seats and parties that would occupy the US "parliament" if they had adopted the British system. Hispanics and Blacks would almost certainly form their own parties to advocate for their own ethnic interests and whites would vote for the conservative party or the liberal party because they have no sense of ethnic identity. There would also certainly be a social democrat party that wins the Seattle and Portland areas

 

[Feline Supremacist]

"Latino" refers to almost anyone born in or with ancestors from Latin America and living in the U.S., including Brazilians. "Latino" does not include speakers of Romance languages from Europe, such as Italians or Spaniards. Sorry. You can keep your long dead human sacrifice jungle civs though, great example that proves my point.

You are wrong, abso-fucking-lutely wrong. The US government calls anyone from countries south of the Rio Grande Latinos/Hispanics. If both sets of grandparents came from Europe, settled in Argentina, Chile or Paraguay, spoke Italian/German/Gaelic at home and then you emigrated to the United States, the US would classify you as Latino/Hispanic because the only criteria from falling into that class is being born in a country south of the border where the official language is Spanish. Even if you're a descendant of the Japanese that went to Peru and established a community of Japanese that exclusively married only other Japanese immigrants, the US would still call you a Latino because you came from Peru.

There was a huge wave of European immigration to South America, especially from Germany, Italy and Ireland and in Chile and Argentina it mirrors our own. It is so pronounced that the first time I got to show off my bad German is when I went to South America.

In short Latino/Hispanic is merely a census designation that came about when Hispanic politicians in the US began clamoring for government gibs in the 80s and 70s and doesn't reflect reality.

This is why Biden got into hot water saying the Latino population was much more diverse than the black population. Hispanics are not a monolith. Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic designation, not a racial one, no matter how hard race baiters and low iq Nazi larpers try to make it one.