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[Iwasamwillbe]

They do a pretty good job at slowing the spread. It's proven science at this point. Stating otherwise is just plain ignorant

Did you even read the @It's HK-47 quote I just posted?

Is that why you always seem to take the side of the anti-mask people?

I don't. You apparently just can't comprehend a person who doesn't strongly take a side on a political issue.

At least own your position, coward

I already did. This is just another ploy from you to pigeonhole others so you can strawmen them. It's incredibly obvious, and lame.

 

[Stoneheart]

The flu is also not contagious until at most 1 day before symptoms start, while covid is contagious up to a week before symptoms start. It's a total false equivalency.

but masks only work on people who already have symptoms...

They do a pretty good job at slowing the spread. It's proven science at this point. Stating otherwise is just plain ignorant

citation needed...

 

[and 3 others]

30k dead is a lot, but 150k (and rising) dead is a lot worse. The flu is also not contagious until at most 1 day before symptoms start, while covid is contagious up to a week before symptoms start. It's a total false equivalency.

It's not a false equivalency if wearing masks is truly without cost, because you've been framing your argument as "if any amount of lives are saved by something which is trivial to do, then you have a moral obligation to do that thing." If the cost of wearing masks is too high to be reasonable for slowing the spread of the flu, then we can start to have a discussion about whether it's also too high to be reasonable for slowing the spread of COVID. COVID might kill more people, but it's on the same order of magnitude.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It's not a false equivalency if wearing masks is truly without cost, because you've been framing your argument as "if any amount of lives are saved by something which is trivial to do, then you have a moral obligation to do that thing." If the cost of wearing masks is too high to be reasonable for slowing the spread of the flu, then we can start to have a discussion about whether it's also too high to be reasonable for slowing the spread of COVID. COVID might kill more people, but it's on the same order of magnitude.

It is, though. One is contagious before symptoms show up for up to a week, while the other is one day. So if you have flu symptoms, you know to stay home or wear a mask. Plus, no one really wore masks before covid in the US.

And you need to look up order of magnitude, because you don't know what it means.

but masks only work on people who already have symptoms...

I know you're a troll, but that isn't true at all.

citation needed...

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Ok. There's something from an actual medical school about it. Your turn to show me a legit source saying otherwise.

 

[and 3 others]

It is, though. One is contagious before symptoms show up for up to a week, while the other is one day. So if you have flu symptoms, you know to stay home or wear a mask. Plus, no one really wore masks before covid in the US.

And you need to look up order of magnitude, because you don't know what it means.

I'm not saying you're definitely wrong. You can certainly try to argue that wearing a mask goes from "pointless" to "absolute moral requirement" when a disease's yearly death toll crosses a line somewhere in the five to six digit range. But when your assessment of that line happens to coincide precisely with the current Orange Man Bad talking point... Well, you can understand how people familiar with your history here would get suspicious that you aren't arguing in good faith.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

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I'm not saying you're definitely wrong. You can certainly try to argue that wearing a mask goes from "pointless" to "absolute moral requirement" when a disease's yearly death toll crosses a line somewhere in the five to six digit range.

Order of magnitude is generally considered less than 5x. So a death rate of 5-10x as much is an order of magnitude more.

But when your assessment of that line happens to coincide precisely with the current Orange Man Bad talking point... Well, you can understand how people familiar with your history here would get suspicious that you aren't arguing in good faith.

That's ironic coming from a die-hard Trump supporter. Even your cult leader says to wear a mask these days (well, sometimes). Are you just so physically inferior that you can't function with a mask on? If you really are that pathetic, you shouldn't be going out in public anyway

 

[AprilRains]

Order of magnitude is generally considered less than 5x.

Not in my experience. I come from an engineering and sciences background, and we always used that term to refer to factors of ten. I'm not sure if it's used differently in epidemiology, but that would surprise me. I'm open to learning differently, of course, but I'd want some evidence.

This is, of course, a side issue, and I'm not trying to undermine your general argument. For all that I dislike your pigeonholing and persiflage, I notice I wear a mask whenever I'm outside, so in effect I agree with a large part of what you're saying. However, this particular statement surprised and interested me, so that's why I'm asking about it.

 

[The Sauce Boss]

Y'all motherfuckers are STILL on this shit

I thought the whole point of the Autism thunderdome was 'two spergs enter, one sperg leaves', not 'two spergs enter and camp out here until the sun burns out.'

 

[and 3 others]

Not in my experience. I come from an engineering and sciences background, and we always used that term to refer to factors of ten. I'm not sure if it's used differently in epidemiology, but that would surprise me. I'm open to learning differently, of course, but I'd want some evidence.

This is, of course, a side issue, and I'm not trying to undermine your general argument. For all that I dislike your pigeonholing and persiflage, I notice I wear a mask whenever I'm outside, so in effect I agree with a large part of what you're saying. However, this particular statement surprised and interested me, so that's why I'm asking about it.

I believe the argument is that x3.2 can be taken as "half an order of magnitude," since if you go up by x3.2 twice, then you've gone up by x10. So, because x5 is greater than that, it's closer to "one order of magnitude" than to "zero orders of magnitude." I can see the point, but it's really just pedantics.

Y'all motherfuckers are STILL on this shit

I thought the whole point of the Autism thunderdome was 'two spergs enter, one sperg leaves', not 'two spergs enter and camp out here until the sun burns out.'

Sperging draws more spergs.

 

[AprilRains]

Y'all motherfuckers are STILL on this shit

I thought the whole point of the Autism thunderdome was 'two spergs enter, one sperg leaves', not 'two spergs enter and camp out here until the sun burns out.'

Welcome to Kiwi Farms. You're kinda slow on the uptake, I gather.

 

[The Sauce Boss]

Welcome to Kiwi Farms. You're kinda slow on the uptake, I gather.

I made the mistake of assuming that the retardation stopped at some point.

 

[AprilRains]

I made the mistake of assuming that the retardation stopped at some point.

So, really slow on the uptake.

 

[Stoneheart]

Ok. There's something from an actual medical school about it. Your turn to show me a legit source saying otherwise.

a medical school in the country with the worst response...

I can also just find the same reasons for wearing a mask in their laughable scriblings i have been telling people around here for a long time...
Its to prevent Gunk from flying into the face of other people.

they are only to protect others, like in every case you wear a non filtrating mask.

 

[X Prime]

So, really slow on the uptake.

What, him being slow enough to need to detransition didn't tip you off?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

a medical school in the country with the worst response...

I can also just find the same reasons for wearing a mask in their laughable scriblings i have been telling people around here for a long time...
Its to prevent Gunk from flying into the face of other people.

they are only to protect others, like in every case you wear a non filtrating mask.

Yes, some random sperg on Kiwifarms is more knowledgeable about mask wearing to stop a pandemic than a medical school. Sounds about right

 

[Superman93]

Hogan is (despite sperging here and there) is actually clubbing some of you tards

 

[Stoneheart]

Yes, some random sperg on Kiwifarms is more knowledgeable about mask wearing to stop a pandemic than a medical school. Sounds about right

they only have sources for the same stuff i have been telling people all along, its to protect others from your fluids.
they also lack some of the better sources out there, the RKI has a study about reducing infections with mask. its about 5% effective. but they just tested indoor use over a short amount of time. thats nothing new, we use masks in some fields for exactly that and have been for decaded...

Hogan is (despite sperging here and there) is actually clubbing some of you tards

i dont know man, citing the medical schools that failed horrible in their response is not realy helpfull.
Its a couple of easy points for him because all good publication about this are in other languages.
I dont feel like translating them for this.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

they only have sources for the same stuff i have been telling people all along, its to protect others from your fluids.
they also lack some of the better sources out there, the RKI has a study about reducing infections with mask. its about 5% effective. but they just tested indoor use over a short amount of time. thats nothing new, we use masks in some fields for exactly that and have been for decaded...

Citation needed

i dont know man, citing the medical schools that failed horrible in their response is not realy helpfull.
Its a couple of easy points for him because all good publication about this are in other languages.
I dont feel like translating them for this.

Your logic: Trump, who drastically fucked up the covid response, is right! But a medical school in a state with a lot of covid responses is wrong because their state has a lot of covid numbers.

That's really stupid logic, even coming from you.

So you know more than a medical school and the CDC and WHO? Countries that have implemented mask policies have drastically reduced their covid numbers. You couldn't be more wrong on this, but again, you're just trolling so I don't know why I wasted my time

 

[Superman93]

Your logic: Trump, who drastically fucked up the covid response, is right! But a medical school in a state with a lot of covid responses is wrong because their state has a lot of covid numbers.

That's really stupid logic, even coming from you.

So you know more than a medical school and the CDC and WHO? Countries that have implemented mask policies have drastically reduced their covid numbers. You couldn't be more wrong on this, but again, you're just trolling so I don't know why I wasted my time

M-M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL

 

[X Prime]

That is almost as weak as when Arm Pit simped for tuscan. Shameful display.