War Woke America Is Pre-Revolutionary Russia

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Mural featuring prophetic 19th century Russian novelist Ivan Turgenev, near the Turgenev Museum in Moscow. (Photo by Valery SharifulinTASS via Getty Images)

JULY 15, 2020 2:08 PM
ROD DREHER

You’re used to me saying it, but now read this stunning essay by writer Peter Savodnik, writing in Tablet magazine, says that Woke America is like living in a 19th century Russian novel. Savodnik begins by recalling a semester in 2012 spent at Middlebury College, teaching Russian literature, and reflecting on what drew him there that year.

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But there was something else, less obvious and more frightening, and that has become clearer, more haunting, in the eight years since: The metaphysical gap between mid-19th-century Russia and early-21st-century America is narrowing. The parallels between them then and us now, political and social but mostly characterological, are becoming sharper, more unavoidable.

We can reassure ourselves by repeating obvious truths: The United States is not czarist Russia. The present is not the past. History does not repeat itself. But those facts are not immutable laws so much as observations, and even though they are built on solid foundations, those foundations are not impervious to shifting sands. We can go backward. We can descend into a primal state we thought we had escaped forever. That is the lesson of the 20th century.
The similarities between past and present are legion: The coarsening of the culture, our economic woes, our political logjams, the opportunism and fecklessness of our so-called elites, the corruption of our institutions, the ease with which we talk about “revolution” (as in Bernie Sanders’ romanticization of “political revolution”), the anger, the polarization, the anti-Semitism.
But the most important thing is the new characters, who are not that dissimilar to the old ones.
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Consider Yevgeny Bazarov. To Bazarov, one of the sons in Turgenev’s Fathers and Sons, the whole of Russia is rotten, and anyone who can’t see that is an idiot or a knave, and the only solution is to raze everything. There is a logic to his thinking. Russia was ruled by a backward-looking monarchy. The nobility was complicit in perpetuating grotesque inequality. The Orthodox Church was allied with the ruling classes. And the ruling classes moved glacially to liberalize. (In Western Europe, the feudal system started to collapse nearly four centuries before it did in Russia.)

One can imagine arriving at the conclusion that Russia would never reform itself, that the only way to liberate it from its medievalism was to start over. Bazarov, a doctor whose empirical nature, we are led to understand, informs his nihilism, is convinced that Russia must start over, and everything about him—his sarcasm, his lack of empathy—is meant to convey disdain, destruction, a sweeping away of the old. He is openly disrespectful of the fathers in the novel—Nikolai Petrovich and Vasily Ivanovich—because they’re old. They’re fathers. They come before, so they are necessarily less developed. To Bazarov, those who do not see the world exactly as he does—most people—are simply roadblocks or enemies. They are not really people. They are not wholly human.
One wonders if Bazarov is that different from today’s protesters and statue-topplers, the 20-somethings sowing discord in our newsrooms, the cancellers, the uber-woke, the sociopaths who police our social media feeds, those who would massage or rewrite history in the service of a glorious future. Like Bazarov, they are incapable of empathizing with those who do not view the world the way they do. Like Bazarov, they assume that the place they come from (America) is cancerous to the core—regressive, hateful, an affront to right-thinking people everywhere. Like Bazarov, there is about them a crude sarcasm (or snark). Like Bazarov, there is a logic to their outrage: Today, we are witnessing Americans revolting against the vestiges of a barbaric, racial hierarchy that was constructed four centuries ago. That hierarchy continues to be felt. It is not unreasonable to wonder, When will we finally transcend the past?
Savodnik goes through other characters from 19th century Russian novels. It’s uncanny, the parallels between then and now. I won’t quote much more from this essay, because it’s so very rich that I want you to read every line. He goes on:
We know how this turned out, and for those who have forgotten, or for those who are too young or ignorant to know, we should remind them over and over: Those who questioned the revolution, objected to any of its ends or means, thought there might be something worth preserving, were deemed hostile combatants or hapless chumps whose false consciousness inhibited progress. In the end, they were all airbrushed. In the end, the way one escaped this airbrushing was to signal, with a great and inauthentic virtue, that one was not a hostile combatant by spotlighting the real enemies of progress. Whether these enemies were real or “real” was immaterial. Only idiots worried about the truth. There was no truth. What was most important was to keep one’s head down and, if need be, accuse wantonly. Accuse! Accuse! Accuse! Or as Americans like to say, the best defense is a good offense. Everyone knew this would never lead to the place they had been promised it would lead to, but what else was there to do? As the violence ratcheted up, it was necessary to signal with ever greater ferocity, to name more names, to out more wrong-thinkers, until all that was left was the pathetic, bloodless corpse of a country dislodged from itself.
This is us, y’all. This is where we are. This is who we are. But to my knowledge, we don’t have any Dostoevskys or Turgenevs to prophesy in art. Or do we? Who am I missing.

Read it all. I cannot emphasize strongly enough how much you need to read this.

Of course this dovetails perfectly with my forthcoming book Live Not By Lies. I feel sheepish promoting the book here, but I wrote the book because I desperately want people, especially Christian people, to prepare themselves spiritually and communally for the catastrophe likely to befall us. We don’t have forever. If it were up to me, I would do what I could to make the book available tomorrow. But publishing moves slowly, and it won’t be out till September 29. You can pre-order it, though, and have it in your mailbox or on your Kindle the day it’s released.

Here are excerpts from my book that echo Savodnik’s essay. Note that Savodnik says, as I do in my book, that race and identity politics have taken the place for 21st century Americans the role that Marxism played for 19th century Russians:
Younger Russians [of the 19th century] also keenly felt the shame of their liberal fathers’ failures to change the system. In the midst of Russia’s decline, Marxism appealed to restless young intellectuals who were sick of the old order, had lost faith in reforming it, and who were desperate to tear the system down and replace it with something entirely different.

Marxism stood for the future. Marxism stood for progress. The gospel of Marxism lit a fire in the minds of prerevolutionary Russian radicals. Their priests and the prophets were their intellectuals, who were “religious about being secular.” Writes historian Yuri Slezkine: “A conversion to socialism was a conversion to the intelligentsia, to a fusion of millenarian faith and lifelong learning.”

Far-left radicalism was initially spread among the intellectuals primarily through reading groups. Once you adopted the Marxist faith, everything else in life became illuminated. The intellectuals went into the world to preach this pseudo-religion to the workers. These missionaries, says Slezkine, made what religious believers would call prophetic revelations, and by appealing to hatred in their listeners’ hearts, called them to conversion.
Once they had captured Russia’s universities, the radicals took their gospel to the factories. Few of the workers were capable of understanding Marxist doctrine, but the missionaries taught it to those capable of translating the essentials into a form that ordinary people could grasp.
You saw recently that Oprah Winfrey signed an agreement to create entertainment content based on The New York Times‘s propagandistic 1619 Project? This is that.

More from Live Not By Lies:
The post-World War I generation of writers and artists were marked by their embrace and celebration of anti-cultural philosophies and acts as a way of demonstrating contempt for established hierarchies, institutions, and ways of thinking. Arendt said of some writers who glorified the will to power, “They read not Darwin but the Marquis de Sade.”

Her point was that these authors did not avail themselves of respectable intellectual theories to justify their transgressiveness. They immersed themselves in what is basest in human nature and regarded doing so as acts of liberation. Arendt’s judgment of the postwar elites who recklessly thumbed their noses at respectability could easily apply to those of our own day who shove aside liberal principles like fair play, race neutrality, free speech, and free association as obstacles to equality. Arendt wrote:
The members of the elite did not object at all to paying a price, the destruction of civilization, for the fun of seeing how those who had been excluded unjustly in the past forced their way into it.
Regarding transgressive sexuality as a social good was not an innovation of the sexual revolution. Like the contemporary West, late imperial Russia was also awash in what historian James Billington called “a preoccupation with sex that is quite without parallel in earlier Russian culture.” Among the social and intellectual elite, sexual adventurism, celebrations of perversion, and all manner of sensuality was common. And not just among the elites: the laboring masses, alone in the city, with no church to bind their consciences with guilt, or village gossips to shame them, found comfort in sex.

The end of official censorship after the 1905 uprising opened the floodgates to erotic literature, which found renewal in sexual passion. “The sensualism of the age was in a very intimate sense demonic,” Billington writes, detailing how the figure of Satan became a Romantic hero for artists and musicians. They admired the diabolic willingness to stop at nothing to satisfy one’s desires and to exercise one’s will.
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One of contemporary progressivism’s commonly used phrases—the personal is political—captures the totalitarian spirit, which seeks to infuse all aspects of life with political consciousness. Indeed, the Left pushes its ideology ever deeper into the personal realm, leaving fewer and fewer areas of daily life uncontested. This, warned Arendt, is a sign that a society is ripening for totalitarianism, because that is what totalitarianism essentially is: the politicization of everything.

Infusing every aspect of life with ideology was a standard aspect of Soviet totalitarianism. Early in the Stalin era, N. V. Krylenko, a Soviet commissar (political officer), steamrolled over chess players who wanted to keep politics out of the game.
“We must finish once and for all with the neutrality of chess,” he said. “We must condemn once and for all the formula ‘chess for the sake of chess,’ like the formula ‘art for art’s sake.’ We must organize shockbrigades of chess-players, and begin immediate realization of a Five-Year Plan for chess.”
The other day, I wrote about a teacher’s call in Philadelphia to make “antiracism” into “the overarching theme” of all public education in that city’s schools. This same mentality — infusing ideology into all aspects of life — is what has overtaken The New York Times and other newspapers. You might recall the Times‘s town hall meeting last summer, in which an unnamed staffer confronted executive editor Dean Baquet:
Staffer: Hello, I have another question about racism. I’m wondering to what extent you think that the fact of racism and white supremacy being sort of the foundation of this country should play into our reporting. Just because it feels to me like it should be a starting point, you know? Like these conversations about what is racist, what isn’t racist. I just feel like racism is in everything. It should be considered in our science reporting, in our culture reporting, in our national reporting. And so, to me, it’s less about the individual instances of racism, and sort of how we’re thinking about racism and white supremacy as the foundation of all of the systems in the country. And I think particularly as we are launching a 1619 Project, I feel like that’s going to open us up to even more criticism from people who are like, “OK, well you’re saying this, and you’re producing this big project about this. But are you guys actually considering this in your daily reporting?”
Baquet did not have the courage to stand up for traditional journalistic standards here. And we have seen since then that the newspaper has become even more aggressively and monotonously centered around race, from a progressive point of view. We must finish once and for all with the neutrality of journalism, Baquet might have said. We must organize shockbrigades of journalists, and begin immediate realization of an antiracist plan for journalism.

If you want to read the whole thing, pre-order Live Not By Lies. It is essential reading both to understand the meaning of this moment, and to prepare resistance. Of course I don’t know how this is going to end. In his piece, Savodnik talks about the nihilistic white-nationalist right as a part of the current picture. Personally, I expect that as the left-wing cultural revolution proceeds, we will see violent reaction from young white men who feel nothing but rage, and like they have nothing to lose. My guess is that after a period of violence, the left-wing establishment will impose peace with force of arms, and use the power of already existing surveillance technology (e.g., the means and methods of surveillance capitalism) to control and suppress dissent. This is the world that Live Not By Lies is trying to prepare us for.

Don’t dare allow yourself to believe that it can’t happen here. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Vaclav Havel, Silvester Krcmery, and Hannah Arendt all said that that is the lie that people living in modern Western liberal democracies tell themselves to avoid having to face reality, and act to fight evil while there is time. One more clip from Live Not By Lies, about how Russians of the late imperial era did not see what was coming until it was too late:
In retrospect, this seems almost unbelievable. How could the Russians have been so blind? It was, in a sense, a problem of the imagination. Reflecting on the speed with which utopian dreams turned into a grisly nightmare, Solzhenitsyn observed:

If the intellectuals in the plays of Chekhov who spent all their time guessing what would happen in twenty, thirty, or forty years had been told that in forty years interrogation by torture would be practiced in Russia; that prisoners would have their skulls squeezed within iron rings, that a human being would be lowered into an acid bath; that they would be trussed up naked to be bitten by ants and bedbugs; that a ramrod heated over a primus stove would be thrust up their anal canal (the “secret brand”); that a man’s genitals would be slowly crushed beneath the toe of a jackboot; and that, in the luckiest possible circumstances, prisoners would be tortured by being kept from sleeping for a week, by thirst, and by being beaten to a bloody pulp, not one of Chekhov’s plays would have gotten to its end because all the heroes would have gone off to insane asylums.
It wasn’t just the tsarists who didn’t see it coming but also the country’s leading liberal minds. It was simply beyond their ability to conceive.
It can happen here, and it will happen here, unless we wake up and act decisively. Acting decisively also means making preparations, like Father Tomislav Kolakovic and his followers in pre-communist Slovakia, for how the church will survive under the coming totalitarianism. But we will talk about that in depth once Live Not By Lies has been published. Something to get straight in your head now: do not listen to people who tell you everything is going to be okay, that this is something passing, and everything will get back to normal soon enough. It’s a dangerous delusion.
 
History is doomed to repeat itself so long as children refuse to learn from history. The woke youth of today are more like their mothers and fathers than they suspect especially in those cases which they rebel against the ideology of their parentage. They just can't see it yet, but they're inevitably committing all the same mistakes of the very people they have sworn to fight against because they are all at the end of the day only human, flawed and weak to their own innate vices.
 
I'll be skeptical because today's America is different from then Russia during the revolution. I mean, America been through multiple wars, pandemics and what not; the riots and Corona is terrible but I don't think America will go down the tubes just yet.
Also the author is trying to plug a book he wrote prophesizing imminent catastrophe, reminds me of Tim Pool screeching that we're on the verge of civil war in every video and oh by the way he's selling survivalist kits.
 
Tbf Too Long; Rod Dreher but no, it's not really like 1917 Russia (a largely agrarian feudal society belatedly disrupted by the industrial revolution and WW1)

The interesting thing about Antifa/BLM isn't Antifa/BLM, there's always gonna be people unhappy with whatever the System is. The interesting thing is that trillion-dollar woke corporations are fully in favor of Antifa/BLM. Probably weren't that many members of the Russian elite funnelling money and propaganda support to the Bolsheviks.

This isn't a peasants' revolt, it's the aristocracy revolting against the peasants. Antifa/BLM are useful idiots for globalism.
 
Disregarded when he made no mention of the Narodnik movement. Look them up. They were inner-city agrarian socialists (not quite Marxist, and not really concerned with industry) in the 1880s who attempted to go out into the Russian countryside to rouse "the people" to action. They largely failed because they were out of touch with the peasantry, missed their cities, and went back home. But their organisational methods ended up being a major influence on the Bolsheviks.

Show me one True Tea SJW who's willing to go out to West Virginia to do the same. The leftists in our case don't believe in the will of "the people". They don't even like them. They believe in themselves and in other college-educated memebers of what Samuel Hammond would call the "managerial class".
 
The Woke Left must be stopped. We cannot expect the cops or Trump or the "silent majority" to save us.

Nobody wants to speak out against BLM because that gets them branded the "R" word.

Nobody can speak out on social media because they get banhammered, doxxed, or have their lives ruined by hordes of vindictive strangers who don't even live in the same state.

Nobody wants to form a Freikorps because they know it'll attract glowies and be demonized as "right-wing extremist boog bois".

Nobody wants to put in the time and effort to resist the struggle sessions, leat they lose their meal ticket.

We can't hide our power levels forever. The silent majority does no good when the loud minority is ambitious, nay, outright lustfully obsessed with acquiring power at all costs.

We all want to start resisting, but we don't want to stick our necks out and be the first (myself included), because we fear standing alone. We fear vilification from our enemies and abandonment from our (supposed) friends.
 
The Woke Left must be stopped. We cannot expect the cops or Trump or the "silent majority" to save us.

Nobody wants to speak out against BLM because that gets them branded the "R" word.

Nobody can speak out on social media because they get banhammered, doxxed, or have their lives ruined by hordes of vindictive strangers who don't even live in the same state.

Nobody wants to form a Freikorps because they know it'll attract glowies and be demonized as "right-wing extremist boog bois".

Nobody wants to put in the time and effort to resist the struggle sessions, leat they lose their meal ticket.

We can't hide our power levels forever. The silent majority does no good when the loud minority is ambitious, nay, outright lustfully obsessed with acquiring power at all costs.

We all want to start resisting, but we don't want to stick our necks out and be the first (myself included), because we fear standing alone. We fear vilification from our enemies and abandonment from our (supposed) friends.
This isnt a war between left and right. It's a war between pro tech and anti tech.

America is a huge nation. Without roads these people are stuck in their cities and will have difficulty bothering others. Without communications they cant organize. Without information technology they cant monitor us.

Its not a matter of retaking a country back. It's a matter of rebuilding from ashes.
 
I skimmed until I saw the book shilling.

I'd be willing to bet that more people browse these very forums than take part in the riots. Call me when either the social unrest is at a higher ratio than 1:350000, or the cause of the unrest is something less first world(food/housing).
 
The Woke Left must be stopped. We cannot expect the cops or Trump or the "silent majority" to save us.

Nobody wants to speak out against BLM because that gets them branded the "R" word.

Nobody can speak out on social media because they get banhammered, doxxed, or have their lives ruined by hordes of vindictive strangers who don't even live in the same state.

Nobody wants to form a Freikorps because they know it'll attract glowies and be demonized as "right-wing extremist boog bois".

Nobody wants to put in the time and effort to resist the struggle sessions, leat they lose their meal ticket.

We can't hide our power levels forever. The silent majority does no good when the loud minority is ambitious, nay, outright lustfully obsessed with acquiring power at all costs.

We all want to start resisting, but we don't want to stick our necks out and be the first (myself included), because we fear standing alone. We fear vilification from our enemies and abandonment from our (supposed) friends.
the solution is to take action without getting caught

This isnt a war between left and right. It's a war between pro tech and anti tech.

America is a huge nation. Without roads these people are stuck in their cities and will have difficulty bothering others. Without communications they cant organize. Without information technology they cant monitor us.

Its not a matter of retaking a country back. It's a matter of rebuilding from ashes.
tech is a tool, a means to an end, not an end itself
anti tech is clown meme shit, it's like declaring yourself anti gun while fighting a war lol
 
This isnt a war between left and right. It's a war between pro tech and anti tech.

America is a huge nation. Without roads these people are stuck in their cities and will have difficulty bothering others. Without communications they cant organize. Without information technology they cant monitor us.

Its not a matter of retaking a country back. It's a matter of rebuilding from ashes.
The Right utilized tech in 2016 to its advantage; most of the meme magicians that pushed Trump to victory have been deplatformed. Thoughtcriminals now have to resort to janky alternate platforms and share them with loons like David Icke.

You're hoping for a real miracle (so to speak) if you think Big Tech is going away, any more than radio or cars will go away.
 
What a fucking toerag lmao.
It can happen here, and it will happen here, unless we wake up and act decisively. Acting decisively also means making preparations, like Father Tomislav Kolakovic and his followers in pre-communist Slovakia, for how the church will survive under the coming totalitarianism. But we will talk about that in depth once Live Not By Lies has been published.
Look, I know the future of our country is at stake, and we need to plan and strategize on how to defend our churches from total totalitarianism, but let's hold on just one second.
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Do you, my dear American patriot have $27? Because if you don't have $27 then America is in trouble.
 
What a fucking toerag lmao.

Look, I know the future of our country is at stake, and we need to plan and strategize on how to defend our churches from total totalitarianism, but let's hold on just one second.
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Do you, my dear American patriot have $27? Because if you don't have $27 then America is in trouble.
Shit, I already spent my money this month on water filters to stop them from putting fluoride, lithium, and the stuff that turns the friggin' frogs gay in my water.
 
The Right utilized tech in 2016 to its advantage; most of the meme magicians that pushed Trump to victory have been deplatformed. Thoughtcriminals now have to resort to janky alternate platforms and share them with loons like David Icke.

You're hoping for a real miracle (so to speak) if you think Big Tech is going away, any more than radio or cars will go away.
Nope. There this book titled the long descent by Michael Greer. Resources to keep our industrial society alive are running out. Not to mention environmental changes.

You just have to out wait these people until mother nature kicks in.
 
History is doomed to repeat itself so long as children refuse to learn from history. The woke youth of today are more like their mothers and fathers than they suspect especially in those cases which they rebel against the ideology of their parentage. They just can't see it yet, but they're inevitably committing all the same mistakes of the very people they have sworn to fight against because they are all at the end of the day only human, flawed and weak to their own innate vices.
Or as RazorFist said in a shorter way: "You ran so hard from your parents that you became them on crack."
 
the solution is to take action without getting caught
With a smartphone (telescreen) in every pocket, cameras on every street corner, facial recognition technology, social media and modern forensic science? Yeah, good luck not getting caught.
Nope. There this book titled the long descent by Michael Greer. Resources to keep our industrial society alive are running out. Not to mention environmental changes.

You just have to out wait these people until mother nature kicks in.
It will be too late by then. I'll be dead or too old to fight back.
 
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