Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

[Cotton Puddings]

Because someone has to, and if his lawyer intentionally botches the defense Nick can sue the court, so the PD had better do his best.

i know someone has to defend him. what i'm wondering is how the PD will try to argue that nick shouldn't have the usual punishment for child molesters, or that his sentence should be lightened, or that he didn't actually molest a child

 

[maddipuppy]

some final goldmine. some of this may be repeats, some of this is just kinda silly. i went back as far as i could, so.
my favorite part: "you know orientation isnt a choice, right? anyway, how do i force her to love me?"

Kinda wish I still lived in VA, cause I'd go.

he lives in PA, not VA.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

This shit is all fucked up'n shit.

 

[AnOminous]

Because someone has to, and if his lawyer intentionally botches the defense Nick can sue the court, so the PD had better do his best.

Courts are effectively absolutely immune to suits, otherwise anyone who didn't like the result of a case would just sue the court.

Public defenders are not immune from malpractice suits, though good luck on it.

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

How the trial will go (according to Nick's understanding of the legal system based on Family Guy):

-Nick pleads not guilty
-Realizes how fucked he is with all of the incriminating evidence against him
-Decides to burst into song and dance and starts singing a Broadway musical parody about why pedophilia should not be illegal, rest of the courtroom and some of the Coffee Crew characters suddenly agree with him and join him in chorus
-Judge changes his mind and finds him not guilty and rules pederasty laws as unconstitutional
-Big parade held in town upon his release in celebration of his victory and not his conviction

 

[Bluce Wee]

some final goldmine. some of this may be repeats, some of this is just kinda silly. i went back as far as i could, so.
my favorite part: "you know orientation isnt a choice, right? anyway, how do i force her to love me?"


he lives in PA, not VA.

Oh, I know but where I lived in VA was about ~2 hours from Lancaster. Now I live about 20 hours from it.

 

[HG 400]

How the trial will go (according to Nick's understanding of the legal system based on Family Guy):

-Nick pleads not guilty
-Realizes how fucked he is with all of the incriminating evidence against him
-Decides to burst into song and dance and starts singing a Broadway musical parody about why pedophilia should not be illegal, rest of the courtroom and some of the Coffee Crew characters suddenly agree with him and join him in chorus
-Judge changes his mind and finds him not guilty and rules pederasty laws as unconstitutional
-Big parade held in town upon his release in celebration of his victory and not his conviction

Nah, Nick's psyche report makes it pretty clear he thinks society despises him and is liable to punish/assault him randomly and without provocation. I doubt he's optimistic about his chances.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, found it. The Miller test can be used to determine if speech/expression can be classed as obscenity and prohibited.

The three criteria are:

1. Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
2. Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
3. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Point 1 is pretty much a given. On point 2, Nick manages a double-play: his masterpiece combines both sexual conduct and excretory functions. Unfortunately for him, this probably doesn't constitute enough artistic value to swing point 3 his way - even when also including the possible scientific interest in questions like "how can that be so small?" and "was there ever a person more disgusting?"

tl;dr I'm not a lawyer, but I'd bet that Nick's...video creation...would be classified as obscene.

Obscenity is not constitutionally protected. While many overbroad laws have, in fact, been found to be unconstitutional, others have not.

For example, Paul Little (a.k.a. Max Hardcore) was fairly recently successfully prosecuted and imprisoned under federal obscenity laws, and the conviction was upheld on appeal.

A plain english reading of the Miller test would lead you to believe that there's a wide category of things that could reasonably be held to be obscene and thus not constitutionally protected. However, the Supreme Court has steadily been pushing the Miller test to its more strict interpretations (in favor of free speech, that is).

A big example is lolicon artwork, which can be extremely fucked up, but still most legal experts would agree that it's still constitutionally protected speech. Big US-based sites like 4chan and 8chan still host it. The government only bothers to prosecute small time offenders who don't really have the money or the notoriety to defend themselves.

I'm of the opinion that, until it gets to bomb threat levels (y'know, shouting "fire" in a crowded theater type stuff), laws regulating obscenity can't really stand up constitutionally because "artistic merit" is an extremely limp legal standard. Small time offenders will get fucked over by the government, but it'd just take one coordinated push by, say, the ACLU, to shut that sort of thing down. (I don't know if any group like the ACLU would actually bother with this issue, I'm just saying obscenity laws are a house of cards, constitutionally.)

So, Nick Bate's shit video might be de facto illegal, but I really don't think it's de jure illegal.

 

[Blueberry]

some final goldmine. some of this may be repeats, some of this is just kinda silly. i went back as far as i could, so.
my favorite part: "you know orientation isnt a choice, right? anyway, how do i force her to love me?"


he lives in PA, not VA.

I do not know how you maintained your composure but wow. What a sick fuck. You were 14 when he talked to you like this??

 

[maddipuppy]

I do not know how you maintained your composure but wow. What a sick fuck. You were 14 when he talked to you like this??

i knew nick and interacted with him from around the ages of 12-15, yeah.

 

[Ferls]

some final goldmine. some of this may be repeats, some of this is just kinda silly. i went back as far as i could, so.
my favorite part: "you know orientation isnt a choice, right? anyway, how do i force her to love me?"

Personally, I like

I got racial profiled bro.
[...]
He finds cp and immediately suspects the pedo. profiling.

EDIT: Also, this "duende" thing he mentioned is a real term. Maybe I'm late to the party on this though and it's a term he regularly uses.

 

[Zim]

some final goldmine. some of this may be repeats, some of this is just kinda silly. i went back as far as i could, so.
my favorite part: "you know orientation isnt a choice, right? anyway, how do i force her to love me?"

After reading all that and the last batch I kind of have the urge to buy you drink. Just... holy mother of hell.

So much grooming and childish behavior from him again.

 

[Red_Rager]

I could not even finish this set of messages in one go. If only it was Chris Hansom who interacted with him

 

[AnOminous]

So, Nick Bate's shit video might be de facto illegal, but I really don't think it's de jure illegal.

Nick Bate's video is immune because it was produced for the purpose of litigation. It is not intended as pornography.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

i know someone has to defend him. what i'm wondering is how the PD will try to argue that nick shouldn't have the usual punishment for child molesters, or that his sentence should be lightened, or that he didn't actually molest a child

The PD may try to argue that Nick should be placed in a special needs unit rather than in gen pop.

 

[DrJonesHat]

After reading all those, @maddipuppy I can honestly say you have a very high squick threshold. I was physically uncomfortable reading those.

Maddi answered why his family didn't do anything, but I'm surprised no one outside the family intervened when Nick was in school. His bizarre behavior should have sent up multiple red flags.

 

[AnOminous]

The PD may try to argue that Nick should be placed in a special needs unit rather than in gen pop.

Maybe after sentencing, but where he is now, the "special unit" is they lock you in solitary.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

Once he is in the PA Dept of Corrections he won't be.

 

[pbls]

Maddi I know we haven't talked for a long time but after reading all of these logs I have hella respect for you.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Has Nick ever explained his fascination with butts?

how can a PD possibly defend someone like nick?

As much as I want to see Nick rot in prison for the rest of his miserable life, he, like everyone else who comits a crime, is innocent until proven guilty, and deserves to have his day in court. I can't wait to see his ass tossed in the slammer, but the PD is doing his job -- which is to make sure everyone is fairly represented.

Holy shit, maddipuppy, you should get a Purple Heart for that last one. I don't know where you got the strength or the patience. And did he take that shower?