Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[Zeke Von Genbu]

Wait hold up I missed this

"5. I'm pro 90% tax rate on the rich just to punish them for open borders." Boxy

LOL like that will literally ever happen. What are you going to do just go try and get all the rich people at gun point and force them to pay 90% of their income to your tard pedo government? Even if you did do you really think the economy will function as it did pre covid under this? What exactly do you think the economic end results of this want will be?

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Didn't you say that couples who'd make shitty parents shouldn't have children? Why are you encouraging people who don't want kids to have kids and risk not actually taking care of them? I asked you this forever ago, but you had to sperg about single mothers when I used it as a very brief example instead of answering my question as usual.

I don't think people will have kids they don't want just to vote.

Notice how he omitted the part about his white utopia kicking him out. Also...







Your words, numb nuts.

notice the italics.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I don't think people will have kids they don't want just to vote.

Will tax credits for having kids still exist at all?

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Will tax credits for having kids still exist at all?

We need a better system than generic tax credits. We don't want low iq or unhealthily people reproducing. Vice-versa we want high iq, good health people to reproduce. I think we need grants to incentive certain people to reproduce.

The 20th century is over. The great society failed. Many people in the 1920s realized that eugenics was a must including Margaret Sanger. The liberals didn't like this because it was against their equality religion so they used Hitler and spent the latter half of the 20 century destroying all support for eugenics. But it's not possible to build a 1st world nation with a low iq horde. Nations that choose to implement eugenics will have lower crime rates. better public discourse while nations that don't see get dumber and dumber each generation and see a lower quality of life. I know a strong consensus has emerged for the need of eugenics.

 

[Lonely Grave]

No, because it was historically 10-12 and we didn't see a massive problem back then.

Liar.

I distinctly remember disproving this:

Holy fuck, you really are an autistic closet flip retard if you didn’t get that piece of wit.

There is precisely zero proof that relationships of this nature within Western society (as delineated by the Industrial Revolution where social reform really took off) led to the kind of marriage you would expect in the present day.

In fact, relationships that were imposed upon “eligible” females were often self-regulated by the wider community - the proto-feminists that advocated the first raising of the age of consent to 16 in the 1860s did it for totally erroneous reasons that did not align with how the working class saw the issue. Such relationships were already actively discouraged and the underaged girls of the time were noted to actively resist such relationships even without the backing of statute!

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

We need a better system than generic tax credits. We don't want low iq or unhealthily people reproducing. Vice-versa we want high iq, good health people to reproduce. I think we need grants to incentive certain people to reproduce.

The 20th century is over. The great society failed. Many people in the 1920s realized that eugenics was a must including Margaret Sanger. The liberals didn't like this because it was against their equality religion so they used Hitler and spent the latter half of the 20 century destroying all support for eugenics. But it's not possible to build a 1st world nation with a low iq horde. Nations that choose to implement eugenics will have lower crime rates. better public discourse while nations that don't see get dumber and dumber each generation and see a lower quality of life. I know a strong consensus has emerged for the need of eugenics.

So I take that as a no? Good luck passing anything, people really don't like it when you fuck with their taxes in anyway that negatively affects them.

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

We need a better system than generic tax credits. We don't want low iq or unhealthily people reproducing. Vice-versa we want high iq, good health people to reproduce. I think we need grants to incentive certain people to reproduce.

The 20th century is over. The great society failed. Many people in the 1920s realized that eugenics was a must including Margaret Sanger. The liberals didn't like this because it was against their equality religion so they used Hitler and spent the latter half of the 20 century destroying all support for eugenics. But it's not possible to build a 1st world nation with a low iq horde. Nations that choose to implement eugenics will have lower crime rates. better public discourse while nations that don't see get dumber and dumber each generation and see a lower quality of life. I know a strong consensus has emerged for the need of eugenics.

You would be among the very last to be considered suitable, under your metrics.

Produce independent, peer reviewed statistics for your claims of the second paragraph.

Answer my earlier question, invertebrate.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

So I take that as a no? Good luck passing anything, people really don't like it when you fuck with their taxes in anyway that negatively affects them.

we're passing massive reforms including abolishing universal enfranchisement. Most of the people who would lose tax credits wouldn't even be eligible to vote under the new system.

So I take that as a no? Good luck passing anything, people really don't like it when you fuck with their taxes in anyway that negatively affects them.

You just don't seem to get it. The 20th century is OVER. This system is collapsing. Eventually the society will get do destabilized that these types of reforms will be implemented and other nations will learn from the collapse of America and NOT repeat our mistakes including diversity and democracy.

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

You just don't seem to get it. The 20th century is OVER. This system is collapsing. Eventually the society will get do destabilized that these types of reforms will be implemented and other nations will learn from the collapse of America and NOT repeat our mistakes including diversity and democracy.

Again, if the system is indeed collapsing, it is squarely down to cowards like you. People only do to you what you let them do. Standing off to the side bleating about "mUh SoCiEtY" achieves absolutely nothing.

We know you read every post on the thread, so stop fingering your asshole and post your bona fides, little man.
Prove your claims and pedigree or stop pretending to be a man and go back to the sandlot with other /pol/tards.
No one wants to follow a coward, Boxcar.

ETA: Oh, cool, another Boxy-Topper. Way to prove my point, little puppy. Keep barking, since you have zero bite.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

we're passing massive reforms including abolishing universal enfranchisement. Most of the people who would lose tax credits wouldn't even be eligible to vote under the new system.

Okay what is the criteria to vote then? Plenty of what you'd consider stupid people have kids or something that gives them a tax credit (like low income), so I assume their is more to this.

You just don't seem to get it. The 20th century is OVER. This system is collapsing. Eventually the society will get do destabilized that these types of reforms will be implemented and other nations will learn from the collapse of America and NOT repeat our mistakes including diversity and democracy.

Okay cool, how will you make any of this happen? You just going to go shoot the White House and say "We run the show now libtards!". You're just saying "Well it'll collapse then we make our move" (I think) that implies that people don't find a million other reasons why everything is collapsing that has nothing to do with your point of view. We are still in a democracy so you need to be able to have majority approval outside of /pol/ and fringe sections of the internet.

 

[Lonely Grave]

Okay cool, how will you make any of this happen? You just going to go shoot the White House and say "We run the show now libtards!". You're just saying "Well it'll collapse then we make our move" (I think) that implies that people don't find a million other reasons why everything is collapsing that has nothing to do with your point of view. We are still in a democracy so you need to be able to have majority approval outside of /pol/ and fringe sections of the internet.

I wager he's been playing too much 4X and thinking you can change government types with some vague option. It is very easy to state an opinion, but it is another thing entirely to try make it into reality.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I wager he's been playing too much 4X and thinking you can change government types with some vague option. It is very easy to state an opinion, but it is another thing entirely to try make it into reality.

Immigration policy: No colors except white

Politics: No Libtards

Voting Rights: People that support me

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Okay what is the criteria to vote then? Plenty of what you'd consider stupid people have kids or something that gives them a tax credit (like low income), so I assume their is more to this.

Very min:
1. Some type of intelligence test - I would use an induction & deduction test
2. Some type of character test - I think marriage with kids is a good proxy
3. Some type of competence test - If you don't understand marginal tax rate how can you vote on tax policy?

Even liberals agree that low information voters are horrible.

Okay cool, how will you make any of this happen? You just going to go shoot the White House and say "We run the show now libtards!". You're just saying "Well it'll collapse then we make our move" (I think) that implies that people don't find a million other reasons why everything is collapsing that has nothing to do with your point of view. We are still in a democracy so you need to be able to have majority approval outside of /pol/ and fringe sections of the internet.

You don't need the support of the general public. That's why congress has such a low approval rating. You just need to ruling class to support you and they'll enact your will and brainwash the normies into voting for you or people who have similar beliefs.

The US will 100% collapse within our lifetimes. It will not survive millennial leadership. People will do an autopsy to figure out what went wrong and prevent this issues from occurring. The age of the church is over. The age of monarchs is over. The age of democracy is coming to an end.

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

Very min:
1. Some type of intelligence test - I would use an induction & deduction test
2. Some type of character test - I think marriage with kids is a good proxy
3. Some type of competence test - If you don't understand marginal tax rate how can you vote on tax policy?

Even liberals agree that low information voters are horrible.


You don't need the support of the general public. That's why congress has such a low approval rating. You just need to ruling class to support you and they'll enact your will and brainwash the normies into voting for you or people who have similar beliefs.

The US will 100% collapse within our lifetimes. It will not survive millennial leadership. People will do an autopsy to figure out what went wrong and prevent this issues from occurring. The age of the church is over. The age of monarchs is over. The age of democracy is coming to an end.

I see... So, what you're saying is

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

2. Some type of character test - I think marriage with kids is a good proxy

You have incredibly low standards for character if this counts. Some couples use their kids as practically walking pay checks from the government and will have a lot less care for their children if they don't provide them government money. You're delusional if you seriously believe every parent couple loves their kids unconditionally and just them somehow managing to stay together means anything relevant.

Edit: Also women in your society are fucked once they get wed locked. So unless the man wants to throw the woman out, the woman has two options kill herself or try and raise her kid so she doesn't have to eat out of a trash can until some man becomes her next husband. So parents staying together means even less then it arguably still does for "good character" under your society then it does right now.

 

[Stardust]

notice the italics.

You have only confirmed everything I have said. You sperg about fucking kids and being a hinged lefty in denial, while ignoring your failure to gain employment, be independent, stop sucking Uncle Sam's dick for welfare, your being the very targeted group your ethnostate is to ship back, or that faggot Twitter.

Notice my italics.

Negrate me, you butthurt mutt. Show us how seething mad you are, that you rage on the internet over little kids and stickers, instead of flipping fries at Burger King, or flipping from the skyscraper that is your pile of failures.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

You have incredibly low standards for character if this counts. Some couples use their kids as practically walking pay checks from the government and will have a lot less care for their children if they don't provide them government money. You're delusional if you seriously believe every parent couple loves their kids unconditionally and just them somehow managing to stay together means anything relevant.

again do you not understand on avg??? do i have to explain this concept to you?

 

[Lonely Grave]

You have incredibly low standards for character if this counts. Some couples use their kids as practically walking pay checks from the government and will have a lot less care for their children if they don't provide them government money. You're delusional if you seriously believe every parent couple loves their kids unconditionally and just them somehow managing to stay together means anything relevant.

Projecting his repressed dreams, much?

 

[Stardust]

Boxy, it is hilariously stupid how you negrate my posts as Dumb or MATI, when all I do is quote or reference you. Are you admitting you are Dumb and MATI?

Negrate this post if you are.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

again do you not understand on avg??? do i have to explain this concept to you?

Projecting much? You ignore averages when you don't like them such as with age of consent. Now please repeat the same talking points over this insult, because I assure you I'll not wipe my ass with them the 100th time you say it.

My point is you encourage people to game your system, which isn't exactly good character, just to have rights to vote. Maybe you can argue on average when having kids if more or less optional can maybe indicate good character, but when it stops becoming optional then you run the risk of that average benchmark not applying anymore.

Do you seriously think no one will try to game this system? People try to game government systems all the time.