Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[LetThemEatCake]

I really wonder why this kid wasn’t in some sort of facility given the severity of his issues. I had maybe incorrectly assumed the NHS did offer more full time care options.

What Allo Vera said. The days of grand-scale institutionalization of the disabled have gone, and the reality is unless you give up your parental rights, you are pretty much expected not just to cope at home, with 'support' and as I said earlier, WANT to have the kid at home, no matter the cost to your life, your family life, your ability to earn a living etc etc. The social pressure from professionals to well-meaning acquaintances to keep your sped 4evah or be deemed an evil irresponsible cunt and unfit human is huge.

TThe reality is maybe sped gets a term-time special school place until age 18, and your local authority will pay for a taxi daily to and fro. You are expected to submerge your life in finding support groups, and activity groups ouside it, depending on the level of spedness. Maybe you qualify for respite, maybe you don't. Maybe you have to basically threaten harm to yourself to get any at all. Will depend on many factors. After 18, if you want to not care for the now adult sped, the choices are few. Depending on wha ails them they could end up in the few full-time care homes or farmed out to 'supported' accomodation with daily visits from carers or if they're particularly difficult, teams of live-in carers on rotation, ala our old friend Jonty Bravery, whose exceptional autism and psychopathic type of spedness resultted in him throwing a small boy off the Tate roof in London, and now Jonty is 'cared' for in Broadmoor or a state-run secure mental hospital for criminallly looney people.

Social care isn't provided by the NHS btw. Medical care is their purview. Care needs are dealt with by one's local authoritty and social services and vary depending where you live and what resources and funding are available and he pressure on said resources. Generally stuff won't be offered, you will have to fight for every scrap of it. This can become a full-time job.

The mother was from Moscow. Russians haven’t had the luxuries of the west and they still dump speds and even just normal kids in orphanages if they are unwanted. There was a roaring trade in white infants and toddler adoptions to the west for many years thanks to this. They do not share the sentiments of the west when it comes to the severely disabled.

Olga married a rich Englishman and ended up with a severe sped. Given the type of Russian woman who manages to hustle out of Moscow and marry a wealthy western photographer- this was surely a very unexpected detour for her life and one she was ill equipped in many ways to deal with. She may have even gotten pregnant hoping it was her ticket to marriage and a secure life but it was like some dark genie wish. She got the home in London but in exchange it became a prison.

Yeah, I did wonder about all that part too. Just shows how you can be 'winning' and one twist of fate (or one genetic mutation during conception or the bad luck of having the same rare and recessive gene as your chosen partner) and you can be fucked. All that way to end a prisoner to a non-verbal, violent sped. You can be whatever interesting life she had before thtat kid was born was destroyed. No friends left. Can't socialise anymore. And I will lay money on the fact the government-enforced isolation of the pas six months played heavily into her final actions. Maybe she lost it as the walls closed in. Maybe she saw it as a mercy killing. Fuck knows, but I can see how ten years of grind, the past six months of near solitary confinement and the though of a fuure where this does.not.end. and we're all held hostage like this to social isolationism for fear of a virus could drive anyone into a seriously dark place.

The father can fuck off. He probably had seen the kid maybe a total of a week in the past four years. His “he loved to travel, visit art galleries...” is just putrid and sound like the warrior moms who pretend their potato in a wheelchair will be a ballet dancer. But a potato would have been far easier to care for than Dylan. Potato kids just lay there, it sounds like Dylan kicked, screamed and fought a lot making caretaking x1000 harder. Can you imagine changing shit filled diapers of a screaming, kicking 10 year old?

Yep. If he was interesed in contact with the kid, he'd have pursued his career from London, a global media and travel hub. His comments sound like HIS interests, not the kid's. How much did Dylan travel in reality? Come on. Globe trotting was dad's gig. Art galleries? Again, dad was the artistic, visual arts type who'd be into that. Thrashing, non-verbal speds less so. Pure projection. Maybe the kid went to swimming for the disabled and flopped around in the water though. One out tof three ain'tt bad.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

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Oh really? She asked for that eh? Who is she kidding...

I swear, her head is slowly becoming more triangle shaped as time goes on.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

What Allo Vera said. The days of grand-scale institutionalization of the disabled have gone, and the reality is unless you give up your parental rights, you are pretty much expected not just to cope at home, with 'support' and as I said earlier, WANT to have the kid at home, no matter the cost to your life, your family life, your ability to earn a living etc etc. The social pressure from professionals to well-meaning acquaintances to keep your sped 4evah or be deemed an evil irresponsible cunt and unfit human is huge.

TThe reality is maybe sped gets a term-time special school place until age 18, and your local authority will pay for a taxi daily to and fro. You are expected to submerge your life in finding support groups, and activity groups ouside it, depending on the level of spedness. Maybe you qualify for respite, maybe you don't. Maybe you have to basically threaten harm to yourself to get any at all. Will depend on many factors. After 18, if you want to not care for the now adult sped, the choices are few. Depending on wha ails them they could end up in the few full-time care homes or farmed out to 'supported' accomodation with daily visits from carers or if they're particularly difficult, teams of live-in carers on rotation, ala our old friend Jonty Bravery, whose exceptional autism and psychopathic type of spedness resultted in him throwing a small boy off the Tate roof in London, and now Jonty is 'cared' for in Broadmoor or a state-run secure mental hospital for criminallly looney people.

Social care isn't provided by the NHS btw. Medical care is their purview. Care needs are dealt with by one's local authoritty and social services and vary depending where you live and what resources and funding are available and he pressure on said resources. Generally stuff won't be offered, you will have to fight for every scrap of it. This can become a full-time job.



Yeah, I did wonder about all that part too. Just shows how you can be 'winning' and one twist of fate (or one genetic mutation during conception or the bad luck of having the same rare and recessive gene as your chosen partner) and you can be fucked. All that way to end a prisoner to a non-verbal, violent sped. You can be whatever interesting life she had before thtat kid was born was destroyed. No friends left. Can't socialise anymore. And I will lay money on the fact the government-enforced isolation of the pas six months played heavily into her final actions. Maybe she lost it as the walls closed in. Maybe she saw it as a mercy killing. Fuck knows, but I can see how ten years of grind, the past six months of near solitary confinement and the though of a fuure where this does.not.end. and we're all held hostage like this to social isolationism for fear of a virus could drive anyone into a seriously dark place.



Yep. If he was interesed in contact with the kid, he'd have pursued his career from London, a global media and travel hub. His comments sound like HIS interests, not the kid's. How much did Dylan travel in reality? Come on. Globe trotting was dad's gig. Art galleries? Again, dad was the artistic, visual arts type who'd be into that. Thrashing, non-verbal speds less so. Pure projection. Maybe the kid went to swimming for the disabled and flopped around in the water though. One out tof three ain'tt bad.

It sounds like the UK govt wants to ensure speds are not the govt problem, ever. Interesting that it sounds like the US for once offers more services for the sped crowd than the UK. Sped kids here qualify for Medicaid coverage which does cover lots of services. It’s not perfect obviously but it offers enough that some people attempt to have normal kids Dx with autism. (Susan Schofield was cool with Bodhi’s autism Dx due to all the respite, schooling and money it got her. She did live in a wealthy zip code though)

Lots of college kids work jobs as tard wranglers due to the number of group homes for speds over 18 here.

As for Dylan, I think Dad’s comments reflect some period of time when Dylan was a baby, toddler or small child and easier to control and transport. probably the only time period he saw much of the kid before he became too much of a burden and embarrassment.

I’d bet the kid hadn’t been traveling or visiting art galleries in years. The one out of focus photo we see of Dylan he was probably four or five. Olga has a forced smile and holding tightly to his arm while he looks lost in sped space.

Dad is a famous photographer (well grandpa was, Dean just rode coattails) it’s interesting a five year old out of focus photo is the only photo that’s been found of Dylan. Photographers usually photograph their own children extensively, but Dylan gets one bad shot that’s five years old.

The dad is also 57, so was 48 when Dylan was conceived. Older sperm is linked to autism, as are genetics and plain bad luck. The kid looked a lot like his father from that one photo which probably made Dad even more uncomfortable.

It’s interesting that in the ONE photo of Dylan he is standing, walking around. He must have regressed dramatically to require a wheelchair which seem to point to more issues than just autism. Things were getting worse, not better, every year. I really have sympathy for Olga.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Good point about the photo. You'd think pro-photographer dad would have archives of photos of his child to offer the press (if he even did it at all - could have come from an in-law), yet as you say, all we have is one shitty snapshot of him years ago that actually looks cropped from a larger photograph. I don't think dad was quite as proud of his son as he made out.

Anyway, we now have a cause of death for Dylan, which is 'restriction of the airways', which I guess means smothered or strangled.

Dylan Freeman: Murder accused mum's son 'died from restricted airways'

Olga Freeman is charged with the murder of her 10-year-old son Dylan, who was found dead on Sunday.

www.bbc.co.uk

ETA: The Guardian says it was 'suffocation'. Nice portrait of Olga in court. Article also mentions the couple have been 'divorced for a number of years' and reminds of of how Dean worked with Bradley Cooper, because that's totally relevant.

 

[Android raptor]

Eh, I'm iffy about sympathizing with parents who murder disabled kids. I get that it's hard, but if you are about to murder your kid go to the psych ward. Not to mention that kind of mentality leads to abuse against disabled kids to not get taken seriously, because the kid is just soooo difficult abusing them is understandable (lots of powerlevel stories
there).

There should definitely be more services and whatnot, but I'm not a huge fan of sympathy for parents who harm their disabled kids no matter the reason.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Eh, I'm iffy about sympathizing with parents who murder disabled kids. I get that it's hard, but if you are about to murder your kid go to the psych ward. Not to mention that kind of mentality leads to abuse against disabled kids to not get taken seriously, because the kid is just soooo difficult abusing them is understandable (lots of powerlevel stories
there).

There should definitely be more services and whatnot, but I'm not a huge fan of sympathy for parents who harm their disabled kids no matter the reason.

You don't have to sympathize with their decision to murder or inflict harm on the kid, but you can still empathize and relate to them on the level of understanding their desperation and estimating the circumstances that drove them to commit such an atrocity, if only to better be able to predict and avert a future tragedy. The decision to murder one's own offspring, even a low-functioning tard, doesn't arise in a vacuum. Unless the mother (let's face it, it's usually the mother who does it because in the case of a divorce, it's most often the mother who's left maintaining the tard) is a psychopathic social mastermind, there are always signs of caregiver burn-out that can be picked up by the surroundings.

 

[A Detachable Penis]

When I briefly worked in insurance, I took a call from a father who wanted to know his hospice options. So I start looking them up & he tells me his 7 year old son has diffuse intrinsic pontine gliomas (DIPG) and the doctors have given him two months to live. That's where I first heard that term. This man just sounded dazed, like he was sleepwalking through the conversation we were having, like he was on auto pilot. He had to call to find out this information, but you could tell from his voice that it was something he never thought he'd have to do: arrange hospice care for his child. I was sympathetic & gentle, I gave him the information and when I asked if there was anything else I could do for him, he said "Do I tell him....? Do I tell my boy he's dying or do I just let him think everything is fine as he just gets sicker and sicker...?"

Broke my heart. It took everything I had in me not to just bawl on the phone with him. I connected him with the insurance company's mental health line and I have no clue what happened after that. That wasn't part of my job. But I took off my headset, went to the bathroom & sobbed for a good 15 minutes afterward.

Even with all our advancements in field of medicine, all the treatments and vaccines and whatnot....there are still some things in this world we can't cure. DIPG only effects children and is always fatal.

From one of the centres specializing in childhood gliomas, there's apparently a very, very small chance of survival (likely remission). But there's different severities of DIPG and this is probably a less than 1% chance. They only recently could do biopsies to determine different types so... good on science? Still a shit disease.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Lockdown was apparently a factor as I suspected.

Seems she was left alone apart from some odd help from a friend since March and had been struggling to cope anyway as the kid grew bigger and more difficult and had 24/7 needs. I will wager longterm sleep deprivation factored into this, and am certain Dean the father didn't see his kid once in that time either.

He was disabled and required 24-hour care, suffering from a litany of conditions.” The court heard Freeman had been “struggling to meet Dylan’s care needs for the last year, as he became older, bigger, and more difficult to care for” and the boy’s behaviour had recently become “especially challenging”.

Mr Smith added: “During lockdown, he was not able to attend school and the burden of care had fallen more heavily on the defendant, together with the assistance from her friend.”

Dylan was found dead in the master bedroom of the family home after his mother attended a police station. The court heard he died from “restriction of the airways”.

I am sure it'll be yet another case where it will turn out that various agencies were aware of the mother not coping, but effectively did zero to help, compounded by this utterly stupid covid hysteria effectively pushing her into being his sole carer without respite.

Oh and apparently she did it by putting a sponge in his mouth and leaving him among his toys.

 

[sperginity]

One of my Facebook friends and his wife had their first child yesterday, delivered at home by a CNM and they used an Aqua Doula (basically a heavy-duty swimming pool, set up in their bedroom). However, in this case the pregnancy and labor were uncomplicated, and mother and baby are fine. I'm sure they would not have hesitated to call an ambulance had anything gone wrong, especially because he had lived in Malawi for a while and certainly saw what could potentially happen if things go sideways.

Most of the emergencies involved in childbirth involve either lack of oxygen for the baby, or uncontrollable bleeding in the mother. No one could hold their breath until the ambulance arrives, and post partum hemorrhage can cause death in minutes if its severe. It isn't an adequate back up plan for the types of emergencies that come from the situation. Having EMTs on hand makes sense for things like sports events because the types of injuries incurred there are adequately cared for by EMTs. EMTs can't do much for childbirth complications, really. I am very glad that your friend is okay.

jsyk taxi drivers regularly attend uncomplicated child births when they can't get a woman to the hospital in time, if there aren't complications it really isn't hard to figure out what to do. Children and untrained husbands have done the same shit with the same sorts of results. the home birth midwives always take credit for such deliveries though, like they really helped somehow, and charge thousands of dollars for it.

OB/GYNs can get sued for malpractice if the kid has a birthmark ffs. How is this woo-midwife-pool-doula not in jail for criminal negligence?

Some of them are, but the midwifery community acts like it is persecution. They used to have a "sisters in chains" page to give support to women who go to prison for causing preventable injury or death to other people's babies. Unless a judge orders them to not attend births, they can set up shop in a different state after they serve their sentence. In general it is hard to prosecute these cases without some really over the top negligence involved. It is hard to sue them because they don't carry malpractice insurance (which incidentally means these women make a ton of money with few operating costs, they basically just gamble that they won't kill a baby and get shut down).

 

[Allo Vera]

It’s interesting that in the ONE photo of Dylan he is standing, walking around. He must have regressed dramatically to require a wheelchair which seem to point to more issues than just autism. Things were getting worse, not better, every year. I really have sympathy for Olga.

Almost certainly a wheelchair for his own safety, and not because he couldn’t walk. “Low functioning” autistic kids are quite often provided with wheelchairs if they can’t be trusted to walk calmly and not bolt into the road, or because they’re prone to throwing themselves on the floor and refusing to walk etc.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Almost certainly a wheelchair for his own safety, and not because he couldn’t walk. “Low functioning” autistic kids are quite often provided with wheelchairs if they can’t be trusted to walk calmly and not bolt into the road, or because they’re prone to throwing themselves on the floor and refusing to walk etc.

Yeah. I have known ones who could walk but had to be strapped into chairs for all outside social settings because otherwise they would break free from the parent and run straight into traffic, or in one case, charge headfirst into any body of water nearby. This was older kids too - early teens, not little kids. It's the kind of behaviour that means as they get bigger and older, they can't be given as much qualitty of life. Who's going to wheel an angry, thrashing low IQ sped that weighs 200lb+ around lest he throws himself into water? In reality, those are the ones who get warehoused and forgotten as adults.

 

[Dwarf troll]

I know they are gone but there still is so much more,you have to feel sorry for them the way they were used as dress up dolls for nutso

 

[booklover]

From one of the centres specializing in childhood gliomas, there's apparently a very, very small chance of survival (likely remission). But there's different severities of DIPG and this is probably a less than 1% chance. They only recently could do biopsies to determine different types so... good on science? Still a shit disease.

DIPG is what killed Neil Armstrong's daughter in the early 1960s. Not much more could be done for her now, either.

Almost certainly a wheelchair for his own safety, and not because he couldn’t walk. “Low functioning” autistic kids are quite often provided with wheelchairs if they can’t be trusted to walk calmly and not bolt into the road, or because they’re prone to throwing themselves on the floor and refusing to walk etc.

People with low-functioning autism, or severe mental retardation, usually have physical disabilities as well, so a wheelchair makes sense.

The dad is also 57, so was 48 when Dylan was conceived. Older sperm is linked to autism, as are genetics and plain bad luck. The kid looked a lot like his father from that one photo which probably made Dad even more uncomfortable.

Does anyone know if the father has other children, and if so, is he involved with them?

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Almost certainly a wheelchair for his own safety, and not because he couldn’t walk. “Low functioning” autistic kids are quite often provided with wheelchairs if they can’t be trusted to walk calmly and not bolt into the road, or because they’re prone to throwing themselves on the floor and refusing to walk etc.

Seems like society is bound and determined to fuck up Darwin’s theory of evolution.

If you have a large, angry, adult with the mind of an infant it seems strange we prevent nature from running it’s course via strapping them down for most of their lives. The fact that many normal adults (not even counting parents) expend their entire working lives wiping their asses and preventing them from causing themselves bodily harm or death is a strange modern phenomenon.

Yeah. I have known ones who could walk but had to be strapped into chairs for all outside social settings because otherwise they would break free from the parent and run straight into traffic, or in one case, charge headfirst into any body of water nearby. This was older kids too - early teens, not little kids. It's the kind of behaviour that means as they get bigger and older, they can't be given as much qualitty of life. Who's going to wheel an angry, thrashing low IQ sped that weighs 200lb+ around lest he throws himself into water? In reality, those are the ones who get warehoused and forgotten as adults.

The kid seems to be wired to end his faulty existence expediently and efficiently yet is prevented by a team of employees. It’s like a twistecdark comedy.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Seems like society is bound and determined to fuck up Darwin’s theory of evolution.

If you have a large, angry, adult with the mind of an infant it seems strange we prevent nature from running it’s course via strapping them down for most of their lives. The fact that many normal adults (not even counting parents) expend their entire working lives wiping their asses and preventing them from causing themselves bodily harm or death is a strange modern phenomenon.


The kid seems to be wired to end his faulty existence expediently and efficiently yet is prevented by a team of employees. It’s like a twistecdark comedy.

I've thought this too. There seems to be a self-extinguishing instinct built into individuals with certain conditions and the reptile part of my mind wonders if it's just nature finding a way, so to speak. It's the kind of thought people don't like, especially when it comes o kids, so I rarely express it in company.

I saw a case in the US recently where an autistic three year-old somehow escaped from his apartment one evening and was missing for a week or so. Apparently he was another 'obsessed with water' and there was a river right next to the complex. Guess where they found his body eventually? Yep. Lots of kids are fascinated by water but it seems some are compelled to annihilate themselves in it from the moment they can walk. weirdly fascinating.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I've thought this too. There seems to be a self-extinguishing instinct built into individuals with certain conditions and the reptile part of my mind wonders if it's just nature finding a way, so to speak. It's the kind of thought people don't like, especially when it comes o kids, so I rarely express it in company.

I saw a case in the US recently where an autistic three year-old somehow escaped from his apartment one evening and was missing for a week or so. Apparently he was another 'obsessed with water' and there was a river right next to the complex. Guess where they found his body eventually? Yep. Lots of kids are fascinated by water but it seems some are compelled to annihilate themselves in it from the moment they can walk. weirdly fascinating.

Not even taking darwinism into account, maybe their lives as mute overstimulated screamers is such a living hell they have no wants but to commit suicide and end it, but the "well meaning" adults think death is bad and all life is sacred. Also it makes my blood boil when those assholes without turbo sped kids demand you shoulder it on your own and be damn grateful for it even though it's one of those things that's legitimate psychological torture that will lead to temporary insanity. Not that it's much use now, and I don't know anything about UK law, but could Olga have sued well-to-do daddy for cash to put the kid in a permanent home? What if she just dropped the kid off at a hospital and said "I can't fucking take care of him anymore"?

 

[A Detachable Penis]

DIPG is what killed Neil Armstrong's daughter in the early 1960s. Not much more could be done for her now, either.

It's pretty much irradiate it and hope it responds. Biopsies just give an idea if whether its even worth trying - the less severe types probably have a higher chance of whatever treatments extending life or whatever.

Anyway, it really is on the mother. You see other single mothers doing far more for worse cases, and don't end up hitting the murder button. Dont give her sympathy just because she was stuck between a rock (murder) and a hard place (giving him up and facing ridicule).

 

[HickoryDickory]

Snip!

Hm. Maybe that explains why this Mom tried to kill her son by pushing him in the water.

She tried not once, but twice before succeeding and there's footage.

 

[雑音🐈]

I doubt she consciously chose to kill her child one day rather than give him up. Not that it would absolve her, but she might have just snapped and done it impulsively without much thought. It doesn't sound like she even tried to hide it.

 

[cuddle striker]

That "Mexican cancer treatment" is laetrile, cyanide derived from almond pit. It's useless, but there are tons of people hawking it to cancer patients online, almost to MLM levels of pitch.

It does nothing. It's useless. You may as well go to a faith healer tent. They really play on people's desperation and confusion, it's disgusting and vile.


I can sympathize with women committing infanticide because they were raped and forced to carry the pregnancy. I can sympathize with parents that get no reprieve from the constant horror of some of these kids' conditions, if they weren't responsible for the decisions that lead to the situation. My sympathy doesn't mean I think it's all right. They have murdered, that's no good. I just can feel that these are extremely difficult circumstances and it's understandable, they're unlikely to ever harm anyone again.

What gets to me are the people who purposely carry a pregnancy to term when it will end in a brain dead infant, people who make bad decisions that lead to them raising a lump of meat (Luna, the kid being revived all the time in the parents' trailer, etc) or people who are forcing life on a body that's trying to die, traumatizing medical workers in the process (the kid in the hospital getting CPR every day).

Anencephaly should be a mandatory abortion. This shouldn't even be a controversy. Children with no brain function allowing them to experience or interact with the world should be given only palliative care, not revived. The Catholic church used to recognize this- I think Pope John Paul was the bastard that fucked that up, in response to the nuns that were in support of abortion becoming legal. From that we get all the fundie shit piling on top. Life is precious, I'll grant that.

Life without the experience of life is not. Life with no sensation but pain, neither.