Y'know, one doesn't want to go down the "violent conservatives were all infiltrators!" route, and I won't without further evidence, but yeah it just seemed like some of the tactics from some of the guys on the right didn't really mesh with what's been seen previously. But how much of that can just be chalked up to a natural evolution in relation to the opposition faced?
Whether it would have changed or not otherwise, it's not like it will change now. These guys have just given them a huge PR win, IMO. Especially with stuff like screws poking through shields and bashing up the snack van, and that dipshit that got hit with the firecracker (while we can't even see which side actually threw it, and they've been throwing fireworks and explosive as a tactic for over three years, none of that matters for the PR). And when you've got them chasing "BtB/patriots" back to their cars, that's an internal PR win. And now the snack van can piggy-back a GoFundMe off every MSM tweet that shows the van getting rocked.
That counter-protest was embarrassing. They went to 1 of 2 cities that has actually been practicing enough to have experience in this stuff, used weak weapons, let themselves get out-numbered without securing a retreat route, and couldn't even take out the visible symbol which was in their grasp: that fucking van.
They pepper sprayed the most gas-masked protest crowd in America. They brought shields but not superior ones. They went up against the shield wall that crumbles within 2 seconds of the cops hitting them, and they didn't break them. And then they had a walk of shame retreat that lets Antifa crow "we chased the fascists out! Because we're anti-fascist and awesome!"
Someone needs to tell those morons that they are not dealing with groups any more, they are dealing with mobs. The tactics must change to address the enemy. You can't out-mob them in their own city.
We've have no less than three speculative discussions about how to take out that fucking van, and the Proud Boys didn't think ahead about it. All they had to do was destroy it to claim a symbolic victory and piss off Antifa. But they didn't do their homework. Useless.
it's been what, three months of antifa rioting and vandalizing unopposed?
and what did you see from the msm? nothing but
>they're peaceful protests
>and if they aren't then the violence is just alt right false flags
>and if it isn't false flags then it's actually not a big deal
>and if it was a big deal then it would be justified
what on earth makes you think that this is magically going to change one day?
I know you're trying to demoralize us and several of your posts in this thread glow harder than the Elephant's Foot at Chernobyl but I think the tide is starting to change despite your blackpill doomer posting and traditionalist faggotry.
Think about it, when this shit popped off at the end of May, it was damn near everywhere and you had insane shit like footwashing joggers and kneeling by state troopers and National Guard in multiple major cities all throughout June. After July 4th had passed, it slowly but surely began to die down.
Now it's confined to a handful of really deep blue cities (Seattle, NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Portland) with Portland being the absolute worst of the lot and coincidentally the one where the Antifa gangs have the most control over prior to the George Floyd riot.
The MSM has slowly been drifting away from simping for Antifa and focusing more on COVID-19 doomerism, the Biden-Harris campaign, and more generic Orange Man Bad sperging while a lot of Antifa and far-left groups on Facebook have been perma-banned and are continuing to perma-ban more of them. Teespring has removed any Antifa-related imagery and merchandise for "legal reasons" and once the Antifa gangs in Chicago got a little too close for Lori Lightfoot's comfort, she sent the cops to actually do their job and wail on the commie punks
There's also some media sperging over QAnon and it's possible Antifa's trying to make the "white supremacist subversive elements" narrative more believable by encouraging people to pose as Q Boomers in the riots (assuming that flyer that was posted up thread isn't just a fake) but Antifa is slowly but surely losing steam outside the Pacific Northwest.
Fuck, even the companies that were all in on endorsing BLM and Antifa are backing away and one of them has even put out an announcement trailer for one of their biggest franchises with Yuri Bezmenov in it, which is the kind of thing that will get the "normies" talking and doing some research.
I think Antifa is fucked and as they keep pushing their luck, the same neoliberal corporate types who previously endorsed them and backed them as their attack dogs are going to throw more of them under the bus the more damage they can actually be affected by.
I think BLM is still mostly safe until November since attacking BLM by name is the kind of thing that's bad optics for either side in the election.
Trump doesn't want to energize black voters into going to the polls and give more votes to Biden (especially in key states like Florida, Ohio, Michigan, and Minnesota) while the DNC doesn't want to alienate the black vote since they need every vote they can get.
Unless BLM does something so big it can't be ignored or directly blamed on white males (like a black leftist pulling a Tarrant or BLM and Antifa pulling a McVeigh and being dumb enough to take credit for it) then they'll be safe until after the election, and then it comes down to who wins in November to determine their future. Antifa is imperially fucked no matter who wins the election, though I could see the DNC willing to go easier on the Antifa punks who turn states' evidence than Trump would.
Also, to all the people claiming that Zionists are behind Antifa, you are fucking retarded. Antifa is very pro-Palestine and anti-Zionist/anti-Semitic in addition to being literal godless communists who fetishize Islam. Israel and the Zionist movement in general have an autistic obsession with ensuring the survival of the Israeli state and if the United States (the biggest supporter of Israel) falls to the explicitly anti-Zionist and far-left Antifa, then Israel is fucked and they know this.
Follow the money. There's a clear divide between the Zionists who are culturally Jewish and also practice Judaism who collaborate with the Protestant Christian right in America and the very secular atheistic cosmopolitans who are largely comprised of ethnic Ashkenazim and Anglo dilettante bigwigs.
Guys like the Rothschilds, George Soros and most of the modern-day ADL who are left-wing and globalist may be ethnically Jewish, but do not consider themselves culturally or spiritually Jewish and they hate Israel (nation-states in general are bad for globalism) and will only play the antisemitism card if they want to preemptively silence their opposition because they know a lot of the Zionists, Protestant traditionalists, and Boomer conservatives will fall for that schtick.
I'm tired of having to repeat myself on this one. Even if Zionist Jews really did invent AstroTurf because they hate real grass, hired Chad to steal your lunch money, and cancelled Firefly for the lulz, they're not behind Antifa because it goes against any and all logic for them to do so.
That flyer looks like a very clumsy attempt to pin all the fighting on antifa. It falls flat for several reasons:
1. Antifags do not know or care about QAnon. They always claim to protest fascists, nazis or cops.
2. They don't publicly admit to robbing.
3. The "suburbs" thing is clearly intended to spook normal people.
4. It says "please share on social media". So where are the social media posts?
5. Black power is boomerspeak from the 1970's. I don't think I've heard anyone say black power during these protests.
6. There were identifiable faces in the crowd. Tiny Toese was one, this dude is another:
It's actually very reminiscent of this thing I found on a literal KKK website.
That flyer looks like a very clumsy attempt to pin all the fighting on antifa. It falls flat for several reasons:
1. Antifags do not know or care about QAnon. They always claim to protest fascists, nazis or cops.
2. They don't publicly admit to robbing.
3. The "suburbs" thing is clearly intended to spook normal people.
4. It says "please share on social media". So where are the social media posts?
5. There were identifiable faces in the crowd. Tiny Toese was one, this dude is another: View attachment 1540312
They should post pics of true brutality, yes. It'd be good propaganda in their favor I'd imagine but I won't pretend to understand their perspective on anything.
That flyer looks like a very clumsy attempt to pin all the fighting on antifa. It falls flat for several reasons:
1. Antifags do not know or care about QAnon. They always claim to protest fascists, nazis or cops.
2. They don't publicly admit to robbing.
3. The "suburbs" thing is clearly intended to spook normal people.
4. It says "please share on social media". So where are the social media posts?
5. There were identifiable faces in the crowd. Tiny Toese was one, this dude is another: View attachment 1540312
It could very well be fake. But I don't think your points 1 and 5 lend to that.
1. They dont need to care about them to think using them as a 'Trump loving' scapegoat is a good idea, especially when the MSM is already demonizing QAnon right now
5. That doesn't mean there can't be infiltrators
You know, with all of this going on, and all of these people packed together in these riots, I can’t help but think sometimes that Stephen Paddock (Vegas shooter) missed a golden opportunity by only a few years.
Hell, people might’ve even considered him a hero at this point.
People I know have confided that they are ready to fill these tards with lead. Some are highly trained individuals. It is only a matter of time if Antifa keeps escalating. That is what they want, but people are losing patience and will not care about optics eventually.
Richmond Virginia is at the end of its rope. I can confirm hard. The city is completely on edge, with the local residents on the verge of going bloody murder on the VCU students. and I mean that literally. the locals want to kill those kids and drag their corpses through the streets. The Mayor has gone dead silent, and the local PD has reacted with extreme force the second they catch wind of people trying to "organize a protest". The local reddit is complaining about people with guns seen patrolling the streets near the Lee statue. Its gotten to the point where the local residents on Monument Avenue have an unstated armed militia. Henrico County around the city is absolutely jumping. All the bars and restaurants that used to dominate downtown are now replaced by the suburban locations, and the county Police is visible and appreciated. At this point the quarantine of the city is Total. All these "protests" have accomplished is rip open the old wounds from the 1970's. The absolute hatred the County now holds for the city it surrounds is almost a physical force you can touch.
You know, with all of this going on, and all of these people packed together in these riots, I can’t help but think sometimes that Stephen Paddock (Vegas shooter) missed a golden opportunity by only a few years.
Hell, people might’ve even considered him a hero at this point.
vegas guy would've been a hero in certain circles today for shooting up a country music festival. the cognitive dissonance between nobody should have guns but the official government NKVD and hell yeah he showed those rednecks would be amazing
That flyer looks like a very clumsy attempt to pin all the fighting on antifa. It falls flat for several reasons:
1. Antifags do not know or care about QAnon. They always claim to protest fascists, nazis or cops.
2. They don't publicly admit to robbing.
3. The "suburbs" thing is clearly intended to spook normal people.
4. It says "please share on social media". So where are the social media posts?
5. Black power is boomerspeak from the 1970's. I don't think I've heard anyone say black power during these protests.
6. There were identifiable faces in the crowd. Tiny Toese was one, this dude is another:
Disagree that they do not know about QAnon. The local chapter has been tweeting about the latest MSM conspiracies. It is another synonym for fascist and Nazi for them now.
They are also aware of the rallies being suspected false flags.
Well, my bet was on the day corporates in the city finally hit the point where they know it's uncontrollable and flee. But I assume now they are going to be sticking around because they think these guys will just focus on each other and not trashing downtown. Eventually, believing both sides will proclaim victory and leave them alone and common peeps will instead of being frustrated at the city and the rioters will just cheer on whatever side they like more.
BLM rioters completely destroyed 5th Ave in NYC and reduced Manhattan to a ghost town but the corporates still simp for BLM. There will never be a point where the corps will ever go against BLM.
It's not entirely true that antifa don't know or care about Qanon as of now, a while going around archiving streams this evening I noticed comments in them where obvious antifa supporters indicating they were looking into them.
I suspect that until recently Antifa didn't give two fucks though.
Best guess this has to do with Facebook not taking down ALL Qanon related stuff while also yeeting antifa stuff as well as Q merchandise being available for sale at all anywhere. So because it's time for an autistic standards measuring contest over who is allowed to make money on the internet and antifa finally got part of a short straw for once so they're doing what they do best on the side since Q made it on to their radar.