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No matter how much you try to justify it, I still see a complete disregard of ethics in what you're trying to say and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Nothing is scientific about that. My range of attraction includes pubescents approximately two years past puberty, up to females somewhere in their 30s. My preference tends to be for younger girls though, typically about 13-17. I've had attraction to exceptional girls as young as 11, but I realize that 11 year olds are too young for sex and wouldn't do anything with them in any case. As I mentioned, I would be completely happy with age of consent at 14, which is already the reality in Italy, Germany, Portugal, and many other countries. I'm not against having special protections for such people as is the case in at least Germany, but I think it is wrong to just say it is strictly illegal for people to have sexual interaction with people of this age if they actually truthfully do consent to sex. For example, if some 15 year old sneaks into a bar and a 21 year old takes her home and has sex with her, I don't think he should get in any trouble for it. If someone is at a festival and some girl who happens to be 14 decides she wants to have sex with him, I don't see the problem with that. I don't think guys should be hunting JBs down and trying to manipulate them into sex, I just think these cases can be and should be separated from the cases where nothing really bad has actually happened.
I'm not technically a pedophile, because I don't have significant attraction to prepubescents (or even early pubescents for that matter). I realize that as age falls things become darker and darker grey. I think that in some cases it might be perfectly okay for a 13 year old to consent to sex, in other cases manipulation is probable. I think that Uruguay actually has the best age of consent system, where the default age of consent is 15, but there are no penalties for 12+ on the condition that proof of consent is demonstrated, and cases are examined by their merit rather than by a strict interpretation of a black and white law.
I do fantasize a lot about rape and sexually coercive things, but I've never actually acted on those fantasies IRL and strongly doubt that I ever will, I've even had chances to do sexually exploitative things IRL where I realized I had a virtually non-existent or low probability of getting in trouble for it, and I still didn't do it, and I've had such fantasies for over a decade and never once acted on them so I feel quite confident in my assessment.
I don't think I'm particularly abnormal, and this is supported by the APA and general mental health community. Attraction to fertile females is never considered a mental illness due to the fact that it is evolutionarily advantageous. I'm not making an appeal to nature though, I realize that just because something is natural and not indicative of an illness it doesn't mean it is morally acceptable. I think it is morally acceptable to have non-coercive sex with people under 16/18 due to the fact that I'm convinced they are capable of consenting to sex if they desire to at least in a great many cases. It's also been demonstrated that a large percentage of males (the majority) have attraction to pubescent teenagers (JBs), this is theoretically supported via evolutionary psychology and has been demonstrated with phallometric research on penile response when presented with images of JBs as stimuli. Again, this is not an argumentum ad populum because I'm not saying the high prevalence of hebephilic and ephebophilic attractions makes them morally acceptable, I'm just pointing out the fact that most males are actually sexually attracted to JBs.
It's also not considered a mental illness to have rape instinct for the same evolutionary reasons. Of course, rape is always bad and I don't think it should be legal to rape people or be sexually coercive, and I never have been and haven't any intention of ever being so. I don't know the exact prevalence of rape instinct in males, but it is likely quite substantial, given polls asking males if they would rape if they would get away with it (which shows that about 33% of males report they would, of course many more like myself would say that we wouldn't rape if we could get away with it even though we would likely be tempted to). Also take into account the actual rape statistics, which show that indeed a significant portion of males do in fact rape.
So you're a pedophile and you fantasize about rape a lot. That's absolutely a mental illness. It's the kind you should be put down for.Nothing is scientific about that. My range of attraction includes pubescents approximately two years past puberty, up to females somewhere in their 30s. My preference tends to be for younger girls though, typically about 13-17. I've had attraction to exceptional girls as young as 11, but I realize that 11 year olds are too young for sex and wouldn't do anything with them in any case. As I mentioned, I would be completely happy with age of consent at 14, which is already the reality in Italy, Germany, Portugal, and many other countries. I'm not against having special protections for such people as is the case in at least Germany, but I think it is wrong to just say it is strictly illegal for people to have sexual interaction with people of this age if they actually truthfully do consent to sex. For example, if some 15 year old sneaks into a bar and a 21 year old takes her home and has sex with her, I don't think he should get in any trouble for it. If someone is at a festival and some girl who happens to be 14 decides she wants to have sex with him, I don't see the problem with that. I don't think guys should be hunting JBs down and trying to manipulate them into sex, I just think these cases can be and should be separated from the cases where nothing really bad has actually happened.
I'm not technically a pedophile, because I don't have significant attraction to prepubescents (or even early pubescents for that matter). I realize that as age falls things become darker and darker grey. I think that in some cases it might be perfectly okay for a 13 year old to consent to sex, in other cases manipulation is probable. I think that Uruguay actually has the best age of consent system, where the default age of consent is 15, but there are no penalties for 12+ on the condition that proof of consent is demonstrated, and cases are examined by their merit rather than by a strict interpretation of a black and white law.
I do fantasize a lot about rape and sexually coercive things, but I've never actually acted on those fantasies IRL and strongly doubt that I ever will, I've even had chances to do sexually exploitative things IRL where I realized I had a virtually non-existent or low probability of getting in trouble for it, and I still didn't do it, and I've had such fantasies for over a decade and never once acted on them so I feel quite confident in my assessment.
I don't think I'm particularly abnormal, and this is supported by the APA and general mental health community. Attraction to fertile females is never considered a mental illness due to the fact that it is evolutionarily advantageous. I'm not making an appeal to nature though, I realize that just because something is natural and not indicative of an illness it doesn't mean it is morally acceptable. I think it is morally acceptable to have non-coercive sex with people under 16/18 due to the fact that I'm convinced they are capable of consenting to sex if they desire to at least in a great many cases. It's also been demonstrated that a large percentage of males (the majority) have attraction to pubescent teenagers (JBs), this is theoretically supported via evolutionary psychology and has been demonstrated with phallometric research on penile response when presented with images of JBs as stimuli. Again, this is not an argumentum ad populum because I'm not saying the high prevalence of hebephilic and ephebophilic attractions makes them morally acceptable, I'm just pointing out the fact that most males are actually sexually attracted to JBs.
It's also not considered a mental illness to have rape instinct for the same evolutionary reasons. Of course, rape is always bad and I don't think it should be legal to rape people or be sexually coercive, and I never have been and haven't any intention of ever being so. I don't know the exact prevalence of rape instinct in males, but it is likely quite substantial, given polls asking males if they would rape if they would get away with it (which shows that about 33% of males report they would, of course many more like myself would say that we wouldn't rape if we could get away with it even though we would likely be tempted to). Also take into account the actual rape statistics, which show that indeed a significant portion of males do in fact rape.
Nothing is scientific about that. My range of attraction includes pubescents approximately two years past puberty, up to females somewhere in their 30s. My preference tends to be for younger girls though, typically about 13-17. I've had attraction to exceptional girls as young as 11, but I realize that 11 year olds are too young for sex and wouldn't do anything with them in any case. As I mentioned, I would be completely happy with age of consent at 14, which is already the reality in Italy, Germany, Portugal, and many other countries. I'm not against having special protections for such people as is the case in at least Germany, but I think it is wrong to just say it is strictly illegal for people to have sexual interaction with people of this age if they actually truthfully do consent to sex. For example, if some 15 year old sneaks into a bar and a 21 year old takes her home and has sex with her, I don't think he should get in any trouble for it. If someone is at a festival and some girl who happens to be 14 decides she wants to have sex with him, I don't see the problem with that. I don't think guys should be hunting JBs down and trying to manipulate them into sex, I just think these cases can be and should be separated from the cases where nothing really bad has actually happened.
I'm not technically a pedophile, because I don't have significant attraction to prepubescents (or even early pubescents for that matter). I realize that as age falls things become darker and darker grey. I think that in some cases it might be perfectly okay for a 13 year old to consent to sex, in other cases manipulation is probable. I think that Uruguay actually has the best age of consent system, where the default age of consent is 15, but there are no penalties for 12+ on the condition that proof of consent is demonstrated, and cases are examined by their merit rather than by a strict interpretation of a black and white law.
I do fantasize a lot about rape and sexually coercive things, but I've never actually acted on those fantasies IRL and strongly doubt that I ever will, I've even had chances to do sexually exploitative things IRL where I realized I had a virtually non-existent or low probability of getting in trouble for it, and I still didn't do it, and I've had such fantasies for over a decade and never once acted on them so I feel quite confident in my assessment.
I don't think I'm particularly abnormal, and this is supported by the APA and general mental health community. Attraction to fertile females is never considered a mental illness due to the fact that it is evolutionarily advantageous. I'm not making an appeal to nature though, I realize that just because something is natural and not indicative of an illness it doesn't mean it is morally acceptable. I think it is morally acceptable to have non-coercive sex with people under 16/18 due to the fact that I'm convinced they are capable of consenting to sex if they desire to at least in a great many cases. It's also been demonstrated that a large percentage of males (the majority) have attraction to pubescent teenagers (JBs), this is theoretically supported via evolutionary psychology and has been demonstrated with phallometric research on penile response when presented with images of JBs as stimuli. Again, this is not an argumentum ad populum because I'm not saying the high prevalence of hebephilic and ephebophilic attractions makes them morally acceptable, I'm just pointing out the fact that most males are actually sexually attracted to JBs.
It's also not considered a mental illness to have rape instinct for the same evolutionary reasons. Of course, rape is always bad and I don't think it should be legal to rape people or be sexually coercive, and I never have been and haven't any intention of ever being so. I don't know the exact prevalence of rape instinct in males, but it is likely quite substantial, given polls asking males if they would rape if they would get away with it (which shows that about 33% of males report they would, of course many more like myself would say that we wouldn't rape if we could get away with it even though we would likely be tempted to). Also take into account the actual rape statistics, which show that indeed a significant portion of males do in fact rape.
I don't think I'm particularly abnormal,
I do fantasize a lot about rape
So you're a pedophile and you fantasize about rape a lot. That's absolutely a mental illness. It's the kind you should be put down for.
To hear government experts on the witness stand in civil detention trials in recent months, the novel diagnosis of "hebephilia" was a fait accompli, just awaiting its formal acceptance into the upcoming fifth edition of the influential Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).
They were flat-out wrong.
In a stunning blow to psychology's burgeoning sex offender processing industry, the Board of Trustees of the American Psychiatric Association rejected the proposed diagnosis outright, not even relegating it to an appendix as meriting further study, its proponents' fall-back position.
The rejection follows the failure of two other sexual disorders proposed by the DSM-5's paraphilias subworkgroup. These were paraphilic coercive disorder (or a proclivity toward rape) and hypersexuality, an inherently hard-to-define construct that introduced the committee members' value judgments as to how much sex is within acceptable limits.
After abandoning those two disorders, the subworkgroup clung tenaciously to a whittled-down version of its proposed expansion of pedophilia to cover sexual attraction to early pubescent youngsters (generally in the age range of 11-14), ignoring widespread opposition from both within and outside of the APA.
The buzz is that senior psychiatrists in the APA were unhappy with the intransigence of psychologists in the subworkgroup who communicated the belief that if they just stuck to their guns, they could force the ill-considered proposal into the new manual, despite a lack of scientific support.
All three proposed sexual disorder expansions were widely critiqued by mental health professionals, especially those working in the forensic contexts in which they would be deployed. They led to a spate of critical peer-reviewed publications (including a historical overview of hebephilia by yours truly, published in Behavioral Sciences and the Law), and an open letter to APA leadership from more than 100 professionals, including prominent forensic psychologists and psychiatrists in the U.S. and internationally.
The unequivocal rejection sends a strong signal of the American Psychiatric Association's continuing reluctance to be drawn into the civil commitment quagmire, where pretextual diagnoses are being invoked as excuses to indefinitely confine sex offenders who have no genuine mental disorders. In marked contrast with the field of psychology, psychiatry leaders have expressed consistent concerns about the use of psychiatric labels to justify civil detention schemes.
Next time around, the APA might want to do a better job selecting committee members in the first place. The "paraphilias subworkgroup" was heavily biased in favor of hebephilia because of its domination by psychologists from the Canadian sex clinic that proposed the new disorder in the first place, and is the only entity doing research on it. But what a waste of time and energy to create a committee that comes up with wild and wacky proposals that are only going to end up getting shot down when the rubber meets the road.
It doesn't matter how much you try to justify it. Having sexual desires to 14 year old girls, whether it be called pedophilia or otherwise, is highly unethical and in the vast majority of countries, it is illegal. They are under the custody of adults, and even if it was normal (which it isn't), all of them would strongly oppose that, and for good reason.Nothing is scientific about that. My range of attraction includes pubescents approximately two years past puberty, up to females somewhere in their 30s. My preference tends to be for younger girls though, typically about 13-17. I've had attraction to exceptional girls as young as 11, but I realize that 11 year olds are too young for sex and wouldn't do anything with them in any case. As I mentioned, I would be completely happy with age of consent at 14, which is already the reality in Italy, Germany, Portugal, and many other countries. I'm not against having special protections for such people as is the case in at least Germany, but I think it is wrong to just say it is strictly illegal for people to have sexual interaction with people of this age if they actually truthfully do consent to sex. For example, if some 15 year old sneaks into a bar and a 21 year old takes her home and has sex with her, I don't think he should get in any trouble for it. If someone is at a festival and some girl who happens to be 14 decides she wants to have sex with him, I don't see the problem with that. I don't think guys should be hunting JBs down and trying to manipulate them into sex, I just think these cases can be and should be separated from the cases where nothing really bad has actually happened.
I'm not technically a pedophile, because I don't have significant attraction to prepubescents (or even early pubescents for that matter). I realize that as age falls things become darker and darker grey. I think that in some cases it might be perfectly okay for a 13 year old to consent to sex, in other cases manipulation is probable. I think that Uruguay actually has the best age of consent system, where the default age of consent is 15, but there are no penalties for 12+ on the condition that proof of consent is demonstrated, and cases are examined by their merit rather than by a strict interpretation of a black and white law.
I do fantasize a lot about rape and sexually coercive things, but I've never actually acted on those fantasies IRL and strongly doubt that I ever will, I've even had chances to do sexually exploitative things IRL where I realized I had a virtually non-existent or low probability of getting in trouble for it, and I still didn't do it, and I've had such fantasies for over a decade and never once acted on them so I feel quite confident in my assessment.
I don't think I'm particularly abnormal, and this is supported by the APA and general mental health community. Attraction to fertile females is never considered a mental illness due to the fact that it is evolutionarily advantageous. I'm not making an appeal to nature though, I realize that just because something is natural and not indicative of an illness it doesn't mean it is morally acceptable. I think it is morally acceptable to have non-coercive sex with people under 16/18 due to the fact that I'm convinced they are capable of consenting to sex if they desire to at least in a great many cases. It's also been demonstrated that a large percentage of males (the majority) have attraction to pubescent teenagers (JBs), this is theoretically supported via evolutionary psychology and has been demonstrated with phallometric research on penile response when presented with images of JBs as stimuli. Again, this is not an argumentum ad populum because I'm not saying the high prevalence of hebephilic and ephebophilic attractions makes them morally acceptable, I'm just pointing out the fact that most males are actually sexually attracted to JBs.
It's also not considered a mental illness to have rape instinct for the same evolutionary reasons. Of course, rape is always bad and I don't think it should be legal to rape people or be sexually coercive, and I never have been and haven't any intention of ever being so. I don't know the exact prevalence of rape instinct in males, but it is likely quite substantial, given polls asking males if they would rape if they would get away with it (which shows that about 33% of males report they would, of course many more like myself would say that we wouldn't rape if we could get away with it even though we would likely be tempted to). Also take into account the actual rape statistics, which show that indeed a significant portion of males do in fact rape.
Yes you are-
Why MRZ, why would anyone ever admit that?
What exactly is this "mental health community" you're talking about? I don't think anyone finds you not mentally ill.The majority consensus of the mental health community is that I'm actually not mentally ill.
Fanatasizing about raping someone is extremely sick, and means you have a desire to do so, even if you're not planning to. Most people don't fanatasize about that, or even think about it.Why not admit to it? I don't plan to rape anyone and I don't really feel bad for having rape instinct, why should I feel bad for something that I didn't choose?
It doesn't matter how much you try to justify it. Having sexual desires to 14 year old girls, whether it be called pedophilia or otherwise, is highly unethical and in the vast majority of countries, it is illegal. They are under the custody of adults, and even if it was normal (which it isn't), all of them would strongly oppose that, and for good reason.
And admitting you have fantasies of rape probably isn't a good way for people to be okay with you, but I guess it doesn't matter- everyone hates your damn guts anyway.
I don't really feel bad for having rape instinct
What about slavery? That used to be socially acceptable too for hundreds and hundreds of years. That never made it necessarily morally just in and of itself.It isn't "illegal in the vast majority of countries". It's legal to have sex with 14 or younger in Uruguay, Spain, Italy, Japan, Portugal. and Germany, just off the top of my head. In most of South America the age of consent is 14. Actually the age of consent was 14 in Canada until like 2006 when pressure from the USA finally forced them to increase it. You are suffering from a submersion bias, falsely extrapolating the values of the society around you to the entire world. I realize this is a really common tendency in humans, but seriously try to look past your enculturation and actually think for yourself.
Also it is entirely normal to have sexual attraction to JBs, there is no real debate about this. It was rejected as a mental illness by both the APA and the in the ICD, it has an evolutionary psychology theory supporting its normalcy, it's been demonstrated as present in the majority of males via phallometric penile response research, and it was actually legal and socially acceptable in virtually the entire world for the entirety of human existence save the past ~120 years.
And then you say this-I'm not technically a pedophile
That's actually hebephilia which only makes it worse. You are admitting wanting to fuck little girls that are either too young to consent or too young to understand it, usually both.I've had attraction to exceptional girls as young as 11
Yes you are. It is not normal to want to fuck 11 year olds.I don't think I'm particularly abnormal
You're an idiot.which show that indeed a significant portion of males do in fact rape
Alright, so you are a pedophile that fantasizes about rape. I wish I had the deviant rating for degenerate shits like you.I do fantasize a lot about rape and sexually coercive things
Not all of it does, there is a good deal of self produced JB porn that isn't abusive. A lot of it definitely does though, I don't disagree with that at all and I can tell abusive porn from porn that isn't abusive pretty well. I would make an analogy to the medical experimentation the Nazis did on the Jews, although very much of this was junk science, they actually did obtain some useful information related to things such as the human body's ability to withstand cold temperatures.