2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Meat Target]

I love the smell of liberal fear in the morning!

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[King Daddy Telomerase]

There have been polls, specifically Trafalgar which was way closer in the Midwest in '16 than any other polls, that show Trump winning in Wisconsin and Michigan now. Enjoy the impending Twitter freakouts in the next couple weeks.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

There have been polls, specifically Trafalgar which was way closer in the Midwest in '16 than any other polls, that show Trump winning in Wisconsin and Michigan now. Enjoy the impending Twitter freakouts in the next couple weeks.

They're already calling Trafalgar a Republican surrogate poll. These people are mentally unwell. If I can see them all get spiritually destroyed again when Trump gets reelected, I can die a happy man.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I still have no idea why any of you are trusting the polls, or hell, any political statistics after 2016.

The Dems were bragging, and boasting about how Hillary was gonna win because her polling was so high, and her ads got so many views, and how the conservatives were obviously panicking and scared shitless, and how they were obviously going to lose, and be humiliated, and destroyed, and how their party would collapse, and look what fucking happened.

Don't do the exact same thing they did.

The polls don't matter.

Twitter doesn't matter

The views on the ads don't matter.

What any of the mainstream media says doesn't matter.

Look, I don't think Joe "Schrodinger's Dementia" Biden is going to win either, but I wouldn't be shocked if he somehow did. Anything is possible, especially since 2020 decided to throw so many spanners into the works.

All I'm saying is that a lot of you in this thread are starting sound just like those smug liberals back in 2016 who were so confident with their polls, and views, and shit. Those don't mean fucking anything. All that matters is actually getting out there, and fucking voting when the time comes.

Nothing else.

 

[Meat Target]

I still have no idea why any of you are trusting the polls, or hell, any political statistics after 2016.

The Dems were bragging, and boasting about how Hillary was gonna win because her polling was so high, and her ads got so many views, and how the conservatives were obviously panicking and scared shitless, and how they were obviously going to lose, and be humiliated, and destroyed, and how their party would collapse, and look what fucking happened.

Don't do the exact same thing they did.

The polls don't matter.

Twitter doesn't matter

The views on the ads don't matter.

What any of the mainstream media says doesn't matter.

Look, I don't think Joe "Schrodinger's Dementia" Biden is going to win, but I wouldn't be shocked if he somehow did. Anything is possible, especially since 2020 decided to throw so many spanners into the works.

All I'm saying is that a lot of you in this thread are starting sound just like those smug liberals back in 2016 who were so confident with their polls, and views, and shit. Those don't mean fucking anything. All that matters is actually getting out there, and fucking voting when the time comes.

Nothing else.

Of course, of course. We gotta fight for it. All I'm saying is that this past week as shown Biden is beatable. Dems wouldn't be hand-wringing if they didn't think they were going to lose.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

They're already calling Trafalgar a Republican surrogate poll. These people are mentally unwell. If I can see them all get spiritually destroyed again when Trump gets reelected, I can die a happy man.

Trafalgar kind of is a R surrogate poll tbh. They take into account the Trump "secret vote" that most of us assume does exist, but even I think it may be a bit much. But, I also don't believe for a second Trump is down 5+ in the Great Lakes states either.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I still have no idea why any of you are trusting the polls, or hell, any political statistics after 2016.

The Dems were bragging, and boasting about how Hillary was gonna win because her polling was so high, and her ads got so many views, and how the conservatives were obviously panicking and scared shitless, and how they were obviously going to lose, and be humiliated, and destroyed, and how their party would collapse, and look what fucking happened.

Don't do the exact same thing they did.

The polls don't matter.

Twitter doesn't matter

The views on the ads don't matter.

What any of the mainstream media says doesn't matter.

Look, I don't think Joe "Schrodinger's Dementia" Biden is going to win either, but I wouldn't be shocked if he somehow did. Anything is possible, especially since 2020 decided to throw so many spanners into the works.

All I'm saying is that a lot of you in this thread are starting sound just like those smug liberals back in 2016 who were so confident with their polls, and views, and shit. Those don't mean fucking anything. All that matters is actually getting out there, and fucking voting when the time comes.

Nothing else.

I think the only statistic you can see to determine whether or not there's hype for whatever party in the state is looking at the hype for the governors, congressmen, senators, and even the stats from past years to make your predictions for the election.

Other than that, I would completely disregard any polls or any MSM that tries to do it based on those.

 

[break these cuffs]

I think the only statistic you can see to determine whether or not there's hype for whatever party in the state is looking at the hype for the governors, congressmen, senators, and even the stats from past years to make your predictions for the election.

Other than that, I would completely disregard any polls or any MSM that tries to do it based on those.

Polls can be useful as long as you can see the actual numbers and demographics of the polls. Not just percentages or political affiliation. I'm talking raw numbers concerning age, sex, race, political affiliation, where the survey was done, and where it was conducted. All of those play a large factor in the results you're going to get and anyone not giving you that info has either done a terrible survey or is trying to skew the results.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Of course, of course. We gotta fight for it. All I'm saying is that this past week as shown Biden is beatable. Dems wouldn't be hand-wringing if they didn't think they were going to lose.

Forgive me, I wasn't directly calling you out, but rather, the entire thread as of late because it's starting to get a bit over-confident like the Dems did back in 2016.

Anyways, Biden's always been beatable. I don't think he's what people have to worry about, though. I think it's Kamala. Like I said before, Biden's just a trojan for her now. In fact, I'm starting to think that this might've been the plan all along. Biden would get the nominee, but Kamala would be the one to actually get the presidency if and when they win, and Biden kicks the bucket, or is "unable to work due to medical issues".

It's kind of a clever plan, if a very underhanded one. Use Biden as a front to sneak in Kamala. That way, the DNC can put up the act of presenting a safe candidate that was the VP of a former popular (to normies) president that they can control, and one that they know is going to die, and/or become too addled to serve in office soon, and have him pick a VP that they can use to push all their bullshit agendas with. Bonus points that they happened to be a woman, and a minority.

True, Kamala is a piece of shit, but the average American doesn't know that. They just know her as that black lady who ran for president and is Biden's VP. And sadly, that's all that they need to know to vote for Biden. It sucks, but it's just how it is.

That's why I'm telling you guys not to get over-confident, and to just vote. Trump's facing two opponents, and it's a really stupid move to get cocky now after what happened in 2016.

 

[mindlessobserver]

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They truly do deserve all the things communism can bring.

Forgive me, I wasn't directly calling you out, but rather, the entire thread as of late because it's starting to get a bit over-confident like the Dems did back in 2016.

Anyways, Biden's always been beatable. I don't think he's what people have to worry about, though. I think it's Kamala. Like I said before, Biden's just a trojan for her now. In fact, I'm starting to think that this might've been the plan all along. Biden would get the nominee, but Kamala would be the one to actually get the presidency if and when they win, and Biden kicks the bucket, or is "unable to work due to medical issues".

It's kind of a clever plan, if a very underhanded one. Use Biden as a front to sneak in Kamala. That way, the DNC can put up the act of presenting a safe candidate that was the VP of a former popular (to normies) president that they can control, and one that they know is going to die, and/or become too addled to serve in office soon, and have him pick a VP that they can use to push all their bullshit agendas with. Bonus points that they happened to be a woman, and a minority.

True, Kamala is a piece of shit, but the average American doesn't know that. They just know her as that black lady who ran for president and is Biden's VP. And sadly, that's all that they need to know to vote for Biden. It sucks, but it's just how it is.

That's why I'm telling you guys not to get over-confident, and to just vote. Trump's facing two opponents, and it's a really stupid move to get cocky now after what happened in 2016.

It was clear from the start Kamala was the anointed one of the Party. They were so mad when Tulsi nuked her.

 

[RockPaper]

That's why I'm telling you guys not to get over-confident, and to just vote. Trump's facing two opponents, and it's a really stupid move to get cocky now after what happened in 2016.

I understand that, but me (or this thread) being confident or over-confident doesn't impact anything.

I'd parachute into my local polling place like the 101st into Normandy if I had to, just to make sure I voted, so I'm all set.

Trump's team or the ground game or the campaign in general being cocky could be a problem, but I see no evidence they are.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I understand that, but me (or this thread) being confident or over-confident doesn't impact anything.

I'd parachute into my local polling place like the 101st into Normandy if I had to to make sure I voted, so I'm all set.

Trump's team or the ground game or the campaign in general being cocky could be a problem, but I see no evidence they are.

Being over-confident leads to people not voting. They get so confident they're gonna win that they don't vote because everyone else is clearing voting for their guy, and he's clearly gonna win. That's what I'm talking about.

Trump's campaign might not be getting cocky, but a good chunk of his supporters are, and that's all the Dems need to be able to win. They just need enough Trump supporters to not vote because they're so confident Trump is gonna win they don't have to, and that's all Crying Biden and the DNC needs to tip the scales in their favor.

 

[RockPaper]

Trump's campaign might not be getting cocky, but a good chunk of his supporters are, and that's all the Dems need to be able to win. They just need enough Trump supporters to not vote because they're so confident Trump is gonna win they don't have to, and that's all Crying Biden and the DNC needs to tip the scales in their favor.

I think the enthusiasm gap belies your concerns.

Also, I can't see Trump supporters being so over-confident they don't vote, considering 95% of the legacy media noise is about how Trump is terrible and Biden is winning.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I think the enthusiasm gap belies your concerns.

Also, I can't see Trump supporters being so over-confident they don't vote, considering 95% of the legacy media noise is about how Trump is terrible and Biden is winning.

True, I'm just saying let's make sure we all get out there to vote when the time comes, and not count our chickens before they hatch.

Not doing so could be disastrous.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

To sum up @Bunny Tracks wise words of caution in one sentence:

 

[Salubrious]

Being over-confident leads to people not voting. They get so confident they're gonna win that they don't vote because everyone else is clearing voting for their guy, and he's clearly gonna win. That's what I'm talking about.

That's why I'm so confused that the polls are skewed in Biden's favor. You would think the MSM would be pushing the narrative that "Trump is going to win if you don't go out to vote!" I would think a poll showing Wisconsin is Trump +1 rather than Biden +5 would be more effective to their actual goal.

 

[Meat Target]

That's why I'm so confused that the polls are skewed in Biden's favor. You would think the MSM would be pushing the narrative that "Trump is going to win if you don't go out to vote!" I would think a poll showing Wisconsin is Trump +1 rather than Biden +5 would be more effective to their actual goal.

Until the Summer of Riots started, things weren't looking good for Trump. 'Rona was raging and lockdowns sank the economy, and while it's debatable that Trump was actually at fault for those, it was still bad optics. Favorable Biden polls were meant to demoralize Trump supporters and discourage swing voters from supporting him.

And then a cashier in Minnesota noticed a suspicious-looking dollar bill.

Dems have a penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[Parthenos]

That's why I'm so confused that the polls are skewed in Biden's favor. You would think the MSM would be pushing the narrative that "Trump is going to win if you don't go out to vote!" I would think a poll showing Wisconsin is Trump +1 rather than Biden +5 would be more effective to their actual goal.

I'm pretty sure the mind virus that is TDS is legitimately hurting them strategically because they can't even pretend to let Trump get ahead with anything, even if it benefits them in the long run.

Until the Summer of Riots started, things weren't looking good for Trump. 'Rona was raging and lockdowns sank the economy, and while it's debatable that Trump was actually at fault for those, it was still bad optics. Favorable Biden polls were meant to demoralize Trump supporters and discourage swing voters from supporting him.

Dems have a penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Nothing makes Trump voters more complacent than open endorsement of anti-America sentiment and racially-motivated riots! /sneed

 

[Meat Target]

I'm pretty sure the mind virus that is TDS is legitimately hurting them strategically because they can't even pretend to let Trump get ahead with anything, even if it benefits them in the long run.



Nothing makes Trump voters more complacent than open endorsement of anti-America sentiment and racially-motivated riots! /sneed

>/sneed
Back to Reddit with you.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

That's why I'm so confused that the polls are skewed in Biden's favor. You would think the MSM would be pushing the narrative that "Trump is going to win if you don't go out to vote!" I would think a poll showing Wisconsin is Trump +1 rather than Biden +5 would be more effective to their actual goal.

Many casual voters will side with whoever they think is the winner. However, for an abysmally low enthusiasm candidate like Biden, it may have been better to portray him as the underdog so there's something to get behind him on.