Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Aidan]

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I see they believe all ethnic jews have value as well. Curious about those who are completely detached from it all. The goys of the world.

As long as we're gun sperging, here's a question. What kind of (reasonably obtainable) round is most likely to stop someone in the shortest time with the fewest shots? It's looking more and more like I might have to get a gun to defend my family in the near future, and one of the most successful emotional arguments against self defense is "he shot more than [arbitrary number] times! only a cold blooded killer shoots more times than the secret number!"

I figure if an intruder goes down in a single shot, I'm less likely to get life times thirty million for defending my life in a racist manner or whatever.

And yes, I'm already very familiar with my local laws. I know how to not explicitly break the law, but I'm more concerned with an activist judge ignoring the facts because it makes her look good on Twitter.

Probably get a shotgun if you just want muh stoppin power and are afraid of bad optics. Don't get an assault shotgun. You can tell if it's an assault shotgun by looking closely and determing if it's got wood furniture or not.
Plus traditional rifle rounds are expensive right now, idk about shotgun ammo. I haven't checked prices in awhile but personally I think you should get whatever you'll enjoy training with that meets your budget. Very few people are going to keep fucking with you after getting shot by anything.

 

[GayestFurryTrash]

As long as we're gun sperging, here's a question. What kind of (reasonably obtainable) round is most likely to stop someone in the shortest time with the fewest shots? It's looking more and more like I might have to get a gun to defend my family in the near future, and one of the most successful emotional arguments against self defense is "he shot more than [arbitrary number] times! only a cold blooded killer shoots more times than the secret number!"

I figure if an intruder goes down in a single shot, I'm less likely to get life times thirty million for defending my life in a racist manner or whatever.

And yes, I'm already very familiar with my local laws. I know how to not explicitly break the law, but I'm more concerned with an activist judge ignoring the facts because it makes her look good on Twitter.

12 gauge buckshot at close range I think still reins king there. For handguns last I checked was .357 Magnum 125’s. Really though it’s shot placement and bullet construction that will do the killing more than caliber. Rifles are better than pistols but are more unwieldy and really open you up to collateral damage.

I personally have a 10mm as my nightstand pistol, a 9mm in my desk drawer and a .357 as a carry gun as my go to guns but I also have a 12 gauge pump and an AR in case the situation requires and an M1A loaded with .308 hardball if I have to do crowd control.

 

[Thornforg]

As long as we're gun sperging, here's a question. What kind of (reasonably obtainable) round is most likely to stop someone in the shortest time with the fewest shots? It's looking more and more like I might have to get a gun to defend my family in the near future, and one of the most successful emotional arguments against self defense is "he shot more than [arbitrary number] times! only a cold blooded killer shoots more times than the secret number!"

I figure if an intruder goes down in a single shot, I'm less likely to get life times thirty million for defending my life in a racist manner or whatever.

And yes, I'm already very familiar with my local laws. I know how to not explicitly break the law, but I'm more concerned with an activist judge ignoring the facts because it makes her look good on Twitter.

If you base the number of shots you want to fire on what a jury might think, you're putting yourself and your family in danger. The simple rule regarding home defense with a firearm is you keep firing until the threat has been eliminated. The best caliber is the one you're most confident and competent with. If you're able to place rounds on target more accurately and quickly with a .22 than a 9mm or .45, then perhaps you should go with a .22.

The best self defense weapon is always going to be the one a reasonable person is most comfortable with. Otherwise we'd all be swinging around our .50AE Desert Eagles and .500 Mags. Never let someone else tell you definitively what is or isn't the perfect choice for you, your family, and your home. That decision should only ever be made by yourself. Go to a range that rents out weapons and spend a few hours doing some testing. Then, spend a few dozen or even a few hundred hours getting to be competent and confident with your choice. Maybe it'll end up being a shotgun, or maybe it'll end up being a Hi-Point. Either way, it has to be your choice.

 

[Forgetful Gynn]

I figured that might be the answer. Shotguns also give you the benefit of the doubt because they're a horrible choice for spree/vigilante killing.

Would a slug induce hydrostatic shock quicker than buckshot would drop them from blood loss? And more importantly, would it be as lethal? As horrible as it sounds, I don't want someone trying to kill me to survive the first shot because they'll probably just come back later to finish the job (or sue me) and I certainly don't want to fire multiple times if I don't have to.

I know the basics of guns and what happens when you get shot by one but I've never done much research on the specifics of each ammo type.

While the slug probably would be more lethal if you hit them dead on, close counts with buckshot. 00 buckshot also has a lower penetration so you're much less likely to hurt someone who doesn't deserve it or blow a huge hole in your wall.

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

I hear you. But which would you rather use? The person who took 14 rounds of .45ACP would seem to be an anomaly. But heck, hit someone in the right place with a .22LR and it will do the job. Just a question. No need to get into a pissing contest. Have shot both, as well as .380ACP.

Honestly I couldn't tell you, I only ever fired a replica civil war rifle. Before I committed to any gun (and caliber), I would want to go to a range and test them out first. It doesn't matter what the stopping power or ammo count is if the gun/caliber is too much for you to keep it in control.

This video is getting deleted all over, gone from LiveLeak, so archiving here for posterity. Mob of joggers surrounds a car in Michigan, driver tries to drive off and hits a pole, gets dragged from his car and beaten (possibly to death) while the man filming laughs.

These subhumans are not fit to live in society.
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Any idea where in Michigan?

 

[Distant Stare]

As long as we're gun sperging, here's a question. What kind of (reasonably obtainable) round is most likely to stop someone in the shortest time with the fewest shots? It's looking more and more like I might have to get a gun to defend my family in the near future

Yes get a gun, but also get some quick clot, tourniquets, and gauze. You might also have to save one on your family members if they get hurt.

What gun you get should be based on how much experience you have with guns and how much you want to spend. If you are new to shooting and dont know much, get a AR-15 pistol. They are small, cheap, and easy to control. They are much easier to shoot than a regular hand gun. AR-15 pistols have a short barrel and a arm brace. Get once chambered in 223 or 556. They are also a good choice because you can buy 30 or 40 round magazines. Which is great if you are facing down an angry mob that wants to beat you to death and rape your kids.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/ar15-guns/pistols.html

12 gauge 00 Buckshot. Get a Mossberg if you can find one.

Another good choice. But there is a ton of recoil and a low rate of fire. Good for defending against a burlger, but not a mob.

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

If you base the number of shots you want to fire on what a jury might think, you're putting yourself and your family in danger. The simple rule regarding home defense with a firearm is you keep firing until the threat has been eliminated. The best caliber is the one you're most confident and competent with. If you're able to place rounds on target more accurately and quickly with a .22 than a 9mm or .45, then perhaps you should go with a .22.

The best self defense weapon is always going to be the one a reasonable person is most comfortable with. Otherwise we'd all be swinging around our .50AE Desert Eagles and .500 Mags. Never let someone else tell you definitively what is or isn't the perfect choice for you, your family, and your home. That decision should only ever be made by yourself. Go to a range that rents out weapons and spend a few hours doing some testing. Then, spend a few dozen or even a few hundred hours getting to be competent and confident with your choice. Maybe it'll end up being a shotgun, or maybe it'll end up being a Hi-Point. Either way, it has to be your choice.

Obviously I'm not going to shoot once and hope for the best. If the guy's still alive, he's getting another round. The question is the least number of rounds virtually guaranteed to result in a quick death. I'm more afraid of mentally retarded jurors and sociopathic lawyers than I am of home invaders.

 

[Forgetful Gynn]

Good for defending against a burlger, but not a mob.

A shotgun with buckshot will hit quite a few people if they're bunched up and they have an effective range much farther out than most people would think. If you want something more then get a rifle, but go with one chambered for 5.56 so you can use both 5.56 and .223 without blowing up. Good luck finding the 5.56 though, damn things are going for upwards of 60 cents a round now.

 

[draggs]

Obviously I'm not going to shoot once and hope for the best. If the guy's still alive, he's getting another round. The question is the least number of rounds virtually guaranteed to result in a quick death. I'm more afraid of mentally retarded jurors and sociopathic lawyers than I am of home invaders.

A lot of times humans are surprisingly hard to kill

Shoot until the threat stops moving is how you stay alive

 

[Standardized Profile]

>ass banged daily
Why is America so obsessed with Prison Sodomy as the ultimate form of justice?

It's probably projection. Lots of bicurious men out there who can't imagine willingly taking the cock, "But if I were in prison, I'd have no choice, I'd be dominated and filled up with BBC while all his buddies watched and waited their turn...."

Yes but 9mm known for soeed and can have more roinds in a magazine. Where 45acp is slower and carry less rounds. Which is more important speed or mass?

In a self-defense shooting, the purpose of a bullet is to penetrate a person, expand, and carve out a wound channel on its way through. 9mm and .45 ACP do both of those about the same. 9mm will let you put more shots on target and do it faster, without reloading, while .45 ACP might make a slightly large wound (maybe an additional 1 cm diameter). Neither bullet has "stopping power" per se unless you hit the central nervous system. A bullet doesn't stop someone. They stop because wounding has debilitated them to the point they physically cannot continue attacking, or because they nope the fuck out.

There are data (somewhere, please don't ask me to look for it) showing fewer .45 ACP rounds are fired into an attacker before they die, but this is not conclusory because you don't know which round killed the person. If I shoot one person with 5 rounds of 9mm and he dies in 30 seconds, and I shoot another person with 3 rounds of .45 ACP and he dies win 30 seconds, does that mean .45 ACP is more powerful? Not necessarily. It could simply mean I fired more 9mm rounds within that 30 second window in which the person was dying. Maybe it took me longer to aim the .45 ACP, or maybe I missed a few times and my magazine was empty. (And you will probably miss a few times.)

My opinion is that the additional millimeters of wound diameter from a .45 ACP aren't worth cutting your capacity so much. I think the odds of missing a vital structure by 0.5 cm are pretty slim, so I'm better off carrying more rounds and putting more holes in the bad guy. Each additional hole is another chance to hit an artery, or a nerve, or whatever forces the bad guy to stop.

Now if you are carrying a rifle like Kenosha Kyle, that's a completely different matter. Pistols poke holes in protestors; rifles rip chunks out of rioters.

Last bit of gunsperging I swear, but my uncle told me a story about this gunsmith he knows that maintains his weapons. Used to be a Scout Ranger, some of the baddest motherfuckers in our army, and they were fighting Muslim separatists down in the jungles in Mindanao. Anyhow, some terrorist decided to mag dump a full 15 round clip of 9mm into his back and he's still able to pull it together long enough to blow the dude away.

Was your uncle's buddy carrying FMJ or JHP? I think because of international law, and because they need to penetrate barriers, soldiers usually carry FMJ. That experience doesn't transfer to self defense shooting, in which you'd use hollow points. But if the ammo shortage continues, it might be worth considering.

 

[DeadFish]

A shotgun with buckshot will hit quite a few people if they're bunched up and they have an effective range much farther out than most people would think. If you want something more then get a rifle, but go with one chambered for 5.56 so you can use both 5.56 and .223 without blowing up. Good luck finding the 5.56 though, damn things are going for upwards of 60 cents a round now.

What about 308 and NATO round?

 

[ilovejews]

Yes but 9mm known for soeed and can have more roinds in a magazine. Where 45acp is slower and carry less rounds. Which is more important speed or mass?

Imagine getting killed with this.

 

[Nom Carver]

a slug is still one bullet. and you only get 5-6 shells.
birdshot is what you need against a mob.

You could also just slingshot sand at them.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Imagine getting killed with this.

I suggest old school.

Big Horn Armory Lever Action
Chambered in .500 magnum

 

[Iceland Heavy]

As long as we're gun sperging, here's a question. What kind of (reasonably obtainable) round is most likely to stop someone in the shortest time with the fewest shots? It's looking more and more like I might have to get a gun to defend my family in the near future, and one of the most successful emotional arguments against self defense is "he shot more than [arbitrary number] times! only a cold blooded killer shoots more times than the secret number!"

I figure if an intruder goes down in a single shot, I'm less likely to get life times thirty million for defending my life in a racist manner or whatever.

And yes, I'm already very familiar with my local laws. I know how to not explicitly break the law, but I'm more concerned with an activist judge ignoring the facts because it makes her look good on Twitter.

Spoiler: Spoilered if gunsperging is going to clutter the thread

Whatever round you can shoot comfortably and get enough practice on. Really you're not going to be getting reliable one stop shots from handgun rounds anyway without hitting the CNS, just look who this latest chimpout is about taking 7 rounds and still being alive. There's some talk about how louder, flashier shots are more likely to effect psychological stops but I don't know how much of that is fuddlore. Alternatively get a 5.56 or bigger and hope your shot placement is as good as the Kenosha Kommie Killer.

 

[Meat Target]

Did I already mention be sure the gun you use when it's time to do business shouldn't be one you'll miss too much? You clap someone, it's going in the evidence locker and good luck getting it back.

 

[Joshuan Moon]

I see they believe all ethnic jews have value as well. Curious about those who are completely detached from it all. The goys of the world.


Probably get a shotgun if you just want muh stoppin power and are afraid of bad optics. Don't get an assault shotgun. You can tell if it's an assault shotgun by looking closely and determing if it's got wood furniture or not.
Plus traditional rifle rounds are expensive right now, idk about shotgun ammo. I haven't checked prices in awhile but personally I think you should get whatever you'll enjoy training with that meets your budget. Very few people are going to keep fucking with you after getting shot by anything.

I second shotgun from a optics stand point and that is a legitimate reason for concern when your freedom is on the line. Get something that even Walmart still sells like a Mossberg 500. Don't get anything tactical and go for wood furniture for extra effect. If you're wanting to use as few rounds as possible then get shots shells that they also sell at walmart that have pictures of manlike things on them. Basically just get whatever buck shot is locally available. If you get questioned why you used that particular they of ammo its because that's what the sporting good store sells not because you want to super murder someone. From what I've seen shotgun shells are still pretty readily available so you won't have to worry about nobody having any to sell.

 

[TiggerNits]

I really hope Ruger goes back to making wooden mini-14s but with AR BCGs and they come with 5 round SKS style non-detachable mags with a top feed mech, because it will become the new "Fuck the NFA I'm gonna work around this dumbshit" build that anyone with a working understanding of how to use a screw druver can easily convert in to a decent little carbine

 

[ShortBusDriver]

I really hope Ruger goes back to making wooden mini-14s but with AR BCGs and they come with 5 round SKS style non-detachable mags with a top feed mech, because it will become the new "Fuck the NFA I'm gonna work around this dumbshit" build that anyone with a working understanding of how to use a screw druver can easily convert in to a decent little carbine

Ruger still manufactures the wood stocked Mini 14, to my knowledge mini 14s aren't classified as assault weapons in California either.

There's no way an AR BCG would work in an Mini 14, it's action is very different.

They're rather ugly but the Ares SCR is more or less what you're describing.

 

[Forgetful Gynn]

What about 308 and NATO round?

.308 has a lot of recoil, 7.62's are more expensive than 5.56.