Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[introman]

This is a point worth emphasizing. Most states with outbreaks seem to fall within 4-7 hundred deaths per capita when all is said and done, going off of Youyang Gu's modeling, which has been the most on the money of any data science projections so far. But when you go down to the city levels, you start seeing per capita deaths in the 7-900s. New York's per capita was 1700ish, which is ridiculously high; New York City's per capita deaths are nearly three thousand. New Jersey is the only state with worse per capita deaths than New York, and they are the most densely populated state in the entire nation.

NY/C and NJ literally sent back people with symptoms in Long Term Care facilities who didn't need a hospital BACK to the facility. Some of the nursing homes literally lost 30-40% of their patients in a 1-2 month period.

https://archive.md/K9lrE

About 40-50% of all deaths in NJ point to long term care facilities.

https://archive.md/QXxZX

Most urban cities in America tend to have more non-Whites on average, and they get especially hit hard. Here's a little snippet about it:

• Adjusting the data for age differences in race groups widens the gap in the overall mortality rates between all other groups and Whites, who have the lowest rate. Compared to Whites, the latest U.S. age-adjusted COVID-19 mortality rate for:
  • Blacks is 3.6 times as high
  • Indigenous people is 3.4 times as high
  • Latinos is 3.2 times as high
  • Pacific Islanders is 3.0 times as high, and
  • Asians is 1.3 times as high.

https://archive.md/ydRk0

 

[teriyakiburns]

@Drain Todger being useful and informative again? what the fuck is this year?

 

[Stoneheart]

Most urban cities in America tend to have more non-Whites on average, and they get especially hit hard. Here's a little snippet about it:

so how are irish deads counted?

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

so how are irish deads counted?

As more important than live Germans.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

2020 is the year that God decided to fuck with people's heads.

 

[gangweedfan]

So whats the story behind people being confirmed to be reinfected with covid? Wouldnt that happen with other viruses as well? I figure it wouldnt be a big deal as long as you have an immunity to it after the first time.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

It's only 3 so far. Either:

1. They were misdiagnosed

2. Or they are trying to avoid reporting it since they have a vaccine to sell or planning to end this.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

So whats the story behind people being confirmed to be reinfected with covid? Wouldnt that happen with other viruses as well? I figure it wouldnt be a big deal as long as you have an immunity to it after the first time.

An immunity would mean you can't get re-infected. You are perhaps thinking resistance.

The reinfections are of a few possibilities.

• Our tests are fucked and we're picking up false positives, either previously or currently.
• NCOV-SARS2 is mutating and people are catching new strains of the disease.
• NCOV-SARS2 is outdoing our immune system responses.

We know the tests are fucked so that's probably it. But we also know it's mutating into other strains -- it's a Coronavirus, that's what they do. The "it BTFO's our immune system" would be the worst possible scenario I think, and would just about be the only thing that would justify the freakout we were seeing from the various types.

 

[gangweedfan]

An immunity would mean you can't get re-infected. You are perhaps thinking resistance.

Yeah I meant resistance that you get from memory cells after being infected by a virus. I dont see why you couldnt get the same virus again it would just die out quickly.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

An immunity would mean you can't get re-infected. You are perhaps thinking resistance.

The reinfections are of a few possibilities.

• Our tests are fucked and we're picking up false positives, either previously or currently.
• NCOV-SARS2 is mutating and people are catching new strains of the disease.
• NCOV-SARS2 is outdoing our immune system responses.

We know the tests are fucked so that's probably it. But we also know it's mutating into other strains -- it's a Coronavirus, that's what they do. The "it BTFO's our immune system" would be the worst possible scenario I think, and would just about be the only thing that would justify the freakout we were seeing from the various types.

Great. Now I have to read "The Stand" again

 

[I can't imagine]

Yeah I meant resistance that you get from memory cells after being infected by a virus. I dont see why you couldnt get the same virus again it would just die out quickly.

Generally, that's what happens, and, in all but one of the currently suspected reinfections, that's apparently what has happened. The cases were either quite mild or asymptomatic. The only exception is the dude in Reno, who had a mild case in July and was hospitalized the second time.

That said, people's immune systems aren't perfect all the time. There's been literally millions of infections, and only a handful of suspected reinfections. At this point, it's reasonable to suspect they're outliers.

 

[JosephStalin]

Ya think? Ya think? Ya fucking think? Jesus. Archive function not presently working.

https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/us-attitudes-china-coronavirus/

Some from Reason.

https://reason.com/2020/08/31/cdc-data-confirm-that-young-people-face-a-negligible-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19/?utm_medium=email

Wear a mask and mirrored sunglasses. Legal and should really mess with the surveillance.

https://reason.com/2020/08/31/in-new-tests-facial-recognition-products-are-consistently-thwarted-by-masks/?utm_medium=email

 

[Mepsi Pax]

There seems to still be some confusion from various spergs about the 6% CDC number. I looked at the actual chart for your benefits.

The chart deals with hospital coding of "comorbidities". Right at the top of the chart in the comorbidity column it says "INFLUENZA - PNEUMONIA", and shows something like 70k people listed in that row. Since China Virus is basically influenza and (I'm pretty sure) kills people primarily through pneumonia and respiratory distress, that "comorbidity" by itself is basically like saying they died OF China Virus.

If you were to combine that code with say, the diabetes and hypertension codes, you could start to say that they were very unhealthy and just went terminal but still died OF China Virus. If you were to combine it with the accident/trauma code, it'd be much harder to say. If you didn't have the "INFLUENZA" code or any respiratory codes at all, but showed other unrelated ones, you could probably say they DIDN'T die of the Coof.

All that to say: You would have to parse the data fully, case by case, in order to draw any real conclusions. At the very least you would have to make categories for multiple-coded people and rule out those who didn't code for any deadly virus effects like ARDS. The raw numbers tell us very little other than that not everyone in the official 180k number actually died of the Coof... but a lot of them probably did even if they were unhealthy to begin with.

 

[Ma_Hooty]

So when this eventually dies down, will there just be one big asterisk next to the fatalities or will there be some sort of task force implemented by the CDC to go over all the deaths and sort out which people actually died from the Coof? I know, but hey, they're going to have to get around to that eventually if they want positive results for any treatments or preventatives moving forward.

Also, since some talk has drifted toward China, I haven't heard of anything on the news about well...anything about how things are there (that's to be expected, of course). Sorry if it's been brought up recently, but the Riot Megathread drained my brain and I'm tapped out on reading anymore than 10 pages so...anyone have any sources for me to read? I have a morbid fascination with authoritarian government spooks stealing their citizenry away in the night, never to be seen again and seeing men in biohazard suits dragging people away in unmarked white vans really piques my interest.

 

[muh_moobs]

Covid caused the additional conditions on 94%

COVID caused someone to become obese and gave another person diabetes? Wow.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

Ya think? Ya think? Ya fucking think? Jesus. Archive function not presently working.

It's back up now after a few hours. Here are the archives:

https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/us-attitudes-china-coronavirus/ (https://archive.vn/DL2dB)

https://reason.com/2020/08/31/cdc-d...ace-a-negligible-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19/ (https://archive.vn/8ctIb)

https://reason.com/2020/08/31/in-ne...-products-are-consistently-thwarted-by-masks/ (https://archive.vn/Bvox6)

 

[muh_moobs]

Are you really saying that only 6% of people that died, died only from covid, because of that misinterpreted data? I am not sure what you are trying to argue here.

That's what the CDC said, dude.

Then why are you defending their posts, unless it's just because you are trying to have this autistic "GOTCHA!" because you and I have different political views. The fact remains that if you can't see the difference between scientific claims needing to be peer-reviewed versus interpreting a chart to be "peer reviewed", you are seriously stupider than I thought.

"Peer-review" doesn't mean anything anymore. We live in a world where peer-review has concluded that 2+2=5 and that biological sex is a myth.

There seems to still be some confusion from various spergs about the 6% CDC number. I looked at the actual chart for your benefits.

The chart deals with hospital coding of "comorbidities". Right at the top of the chart in the comorbidity column it says "INFLUENZA - PNEUMONIA", and shows something like 70k people listed in that row. Since China Virus is basically influenza and (I'm pretty sure) kills people primarily through pneumonia and respiratory distress, that "comorbidity" by itself is basically like saying they died OF China Virus.

If you were to combine that code with say, the diabetes and hypertension codes, you could start to say that they were very unhealthy and just went terminal but still died OF China Virus. If you were to combine it with the accident/trauma code, it'd be much harder to say. If you didn't have the "INFLUENZA" code or any respiratory codes at all, but showed other unrelated ones, you could probably say they DIDN'T die of the Coof.

All that to say: You would have to parse the data fully, case by case, in order to draw any real conclusions. At the very least you would have to make categories for multiple-coded people and rule out those who didn't code for any deadly virus effects like ARDS. The raw numbers tell us very little other than that not everyone in the official 180k number actually died of the Coof... but a lot of them probably did even if they were unhealthy to begin with.

Thank you for a reasonable response.

The point of the article, and the position of the majority of people in the thread, was that the threat of the Coronavirus has been misrepresented and the response has been disproportionate. The entire time, world governments have been acting as though EVERYONE is at risk and we'll all die if we take so much as one breath outside of our homes, yet the reality has been the exact opposite.

Unless you're old as balls AND have two or three other risk factors, it's practically impossible for you to die due to the Chinkflu, AND if you have normal hygiene practices you're very unlikely to get infected in the first place. Ordinary people are at almost no risk.

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan didn't disappoint after being summoned. But you're either missing the point or intentionally being exceptional, and I think it's the later. No one has ever been saying the virus was either a myth or not something to be taken seriously, but that it's been overhyped and the response from governments has been inappropriate.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Since China Virus is basically influenza

It's not. Influenza is a separate family of viruses that operates in a different way to coronavirus. It's highly debatable that either infection, by itself, would have killed them. It's the one-two punch that did it, so you can't claim that covid alone is the cause of death.

As for the pneumonia, covid can cause pneumonia-like symptoms, but it main effect in severe cases is to damage the lungs and overwhelm the immune system, leaving the person vulnerable to a secondary infection that then causes bacterial or viral pneumonia. So again, if they';re categorising pnemonia separtely as a comorbidity, it's likely because of a secondary infection that followed covid, or because they already had some form of pnemonia that, by itself, wouldn't have killed them.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

COVID caused someone to become obese and gave another person diabetes? Wow.

It's caused millions of people to gain weight if you look at the obesity stats for this year. But nobody cares about the negative effects of obesity on public health, hell, obesity is considered a good thing and people are healthy at any size.

It is highly likely more people will die or live a much lower quality of life as a result of the response to the Chinavirus than to the Chinavirus itself thanks to the increase in stress, mental illness, missed cancer screenings, obesity, and any number of factors.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

COVID turned me black, gay and gave me a third arm