Monica Rial / Monica Jean Rial / Rialisms & Ron Toye / Ronald Toye III / rontoye3 - 5th Bulma and Ron "Pick Up the Phone or You'll Find Your Dog Dead When You Get Home" Toye

[Bad Luck]

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It was a quarter million for 6 months of what was supposed to be legally minimal work.
He seems sure and excited of at least some amount of extra discovery.
What do you think the bill is going to look like after that discovery, 6 months, a year, after everything is said and done?
Do you think they'll spread that initial 250k out into a reasonable amount of work if the case continues, or will they just keep overcharging Ron?
What other shenanigans are going to play out in the books?

 

[SupahAuspregatist]

Stan Dahlin once again calls out Ron
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Maybe it's just me, but it sounds/feels like ron might try using discovery to extort money from Stan?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So the first episode of a show called Super HxEros premiered dubbed.

But I thought sexually-explicit shows went against Funimation policy.

 

[TheClappening]

Maybe it's just me, but it sounds/feels like ron might try using discovery to extort money from Stan?

Somewhere, in a land of fantasy and optimism, I hope Vic wins on appeals and starts shooting Ron some zingers in response.

"Post judgment discovery is going to be fun "
Sometime after September 22nd ( ): "It sure will be, won't it?"

 

[Mister Y2]

Something tells me Ron is going to have a rude awakening.
Also, @Ron Toye, are you saying that there will be need for discovery?
What happened to the confidence that the appeals will fail?

Nah, Ron simply thinks he will get to audit Vic's finances...
Yeah, he is that dumb.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So if the hearing is gonna be over through Zoom (?), and everyone including the plaintiff and defendants will be in attendance despite no oral arguments, if the judges grant appeals to Vic, @Ron Toye could potentially show his true colors in front of everyone in the comfort of his own home. And if it's livestreamed...

 

[TheClappening]

So if the hearing is gonna be over through Zoom (?), and everyone including the plaintiff and defendants will be in attendance despite no oral arguments, if the judges grant appeals to Vic, @Ron Toye could potentially show his true colors in front of everyone in the comfort of his own home. And if it's livestreamed...

I don't think there's any hearing at all. The judges are just going to read the papers.

 

[SupahAuspregatist]

I don't think there's any hearing at all. The judges are just going to read the papers.

Let's just hope they can at least read better than ron.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Post-judgement discovery? DO IT RON! I want to see this dumbass rack up a bunch more legal bills and be even more bankrupt by the end of it thanks to paying for more insane Lemwah documents. I want to see Law Twitter get all hyped on Ron's next legal slam dunk only to lose again. I want more Weeb Wars insanity!

 

[Space Ghost]

Nah, Ron simply thinks he will get to audit Vic's finances...
Yeah, he is that dumb.

They do seem concerned about ways he could avoid it. Any time someone suggests a possibility they are all over it. If a less than legal alternative is suggested they begin implying that the person theorizing it needs to be investigated.

 

[TheClappening]

Actually, come to think of it, does post judgment go both ways? Assuming we enter the worst ending, and Vic goes 0-17, can he perform discovery on Ron?

At the fees hearing Lemwaaah answered that yes, he would be charging $282,000 even if Chupp awarded zero fees. If Vic could perform discovery on Ron, and it was found that Lemwaaah was not charging MoRon the amount he told to a judge's face, could it be an argument of bad faith litigation?

I'm assuming not, since at this point Vic would be the loser, but it's a thought.

 

[Mister Y2]

They do seem concerned about ways he could avoid it. Any time someone suggests a possibility they are all over it. If a less than legal alternative is suggested they begin implying that the person theorizing it needs to be investigated.

You got me wrong.

I meant that Ron thinks winning the lawsuit would somehow give him the right to look directly at Vic's finances.
That he thinks that, as soon as the court issues the ruling he wants, he gets to have a detailled listing of Vic's income and expenses.
That Ron believes that if the court tells Vic to pay him, his bank account will suddently become some kind of self service.

That's what I think Ron pictures in his dellusionnal mind.

 

[Drowningman]

You got me wrong.

I meant that Ron thinks winning the lawsuit would somehow give him the right to look directly at Vic's finances.
That he thinks that, as soon as the court issues the ruling he wants, he gets to have a detailled listing of Vic's income and expenses.
That Ron believes that if the court tells Vic to pay him, his bank account will suddently become some kind of self service.

That's what I think Ron pictures in his dellusionnal mind.

Ron reads or hear things and turns things around to what he wants to hear.
Nick has pointed out many times that Soye Boy isnt anywhere as smart as he is especially on any legal matters.
In his mind, he is smarter than everyone in the room but in reality isnt as smart as the lawyer down the hall.
If remote holder is expecting a big payday,he needs to remember 2 words..lawyer fees...and it seems he forgot about those pesky things.

 

[Kosher Salt]

Something tells me Ron is going to have a rude awakening.
Also, @Ron Toye, are you saying that there will be need for discovery?
What happened to the confidence that the appeals will fail?

Post judgement discovery is where the winner gets to go on a deep dive through the loser's life to try to figure out where their money might be hiding. I'm sure Ron thinks he'll be able to dig up all sorts of exciting dirt on Vic which he'll be able to use to try to ruin Vic's life like he's already doing.

Actually, come to think of it, does post judgment go both ways? Assuming we enter the worst ending, and Vic goes 0-17, can he perform discovery on Ron?

At the fees hearing Lemwaaah answered that yes, he would be charging $282,000 even if Chupp awarded zero fees. If Vic could perform discovery on Ron, and it was found that Lemwaaah was not charging MoRon the amount he told to a judge's face, could it be an argument of bad faith litigation?

I'm assuming not, since at this point Vic would be the loser, but it's a thought.

No. Chupp ruled that the fees and sanctions he awarded were reasonable. Vic wouldn't be able to try to use discovery to determine that they weren't. Even if Lemon doesn't actually charge MoRon the full amount, the TCPA still entitles them to have reasonable fees paid by Vic.

The only way for either party to dispute that the fees were reasonable would be to appeal it (which MoRon has done, arguing that they're not enough). Vic hasn't appealed them, so Vic implicitly agrees that the amounts awarded by Chupp were reasonable (although he'd only have to pay them if his case was dismissed, and he's appealed the dismissals of all 17 claims).

 

[Space Ghost]

You got me wrong.

I meant that Ron thinks winning the lawsuit would somehow give him the right to look directly at Vic's finances.
That he thinks that, as soon as the court issues the ruling he wants, he gets to have a detailled listing of Vic's income and expenses.
That Ron believes that if the court tells Vic to pay him, his bank account will suddently become some kind of self service.

That's what I think Ron pictures in his dellusionnal mind.

Thanks for the correction. Yes I believe he is delusional about the extent of what will be possible as well. At least I hope they are because Vic has suffered way more than he should have for such minor events.

 

[Kosher Salt]

Thanks for the correction. Yes I believe he is delusional about the extent of what will be possible as well. At least I hope they are because Vic has suffered way more than he should have for such minor events.

Post-judgment discovery works pretty much the same as any other discovery. You get to send questions and they have to reply or they can be found in contempt. If they fail to reply in a satisfactory manner, you can go to the judge and ask for a motion to compel. It can (but doesn't necessarily have to) include depositions.

It wouldn't give Ron the right to look directly at Vic's finances, but he could certainly request that Vic send copies of financial statements, balance sheets, canceled checks, invoices, etc. Vic could object to post-judgement discovery; for example, if it's over-burdensome or not reasonably calculated to aid in the collection of the judgement, but MoRon could take it back to Chupp and try to get a motion to compel.

 

[Mister Y2]

@Kosher Salt
Except there is not ground so far for any post-judgement discovery in this case.
Ron is just making up shit out of thin air.

 

[Kosher Salt]

@Kosher Salt
Except there is not ground so far for any post-judgement discovery in this case.
Ron is just making up shit out of thin air.

That's simply incorrect. A judgement was entered against Vic; he lost his case and currently owes MoRon a bunch of money. In theory, they could try to collect it. It just wouldn't make much sense for them to try to collect it right now since both the case and the amount of their award are under appeal. Depending on how the appeals go, Vic could end up owing them more or less - or even nothing at all.

 

[Mister Y2]

That's simply incorrect. Vic lost his case and currently owes MoRon a bunch of money. In theory, they could try to collect it. It just wouldn't make much sense for them to try to collect it right now since both the case and the amount of their award are under appeal. Depending on how the appeals go, Vic could end up owing them more or less - or even nothing at all.

There is no way people are just allowed to collect money awarded in a lawsuit during an appeal process (and that's not what Ron is implying anyway).
And for after the appeal, you only get to do post-judgement discovery if the other party refuses to pay...

Conclusion: I stand by my words.
There is no ground right now to assume there will be any post-judgement discovery.

 

[Kosher Salt]

There is no way people are just allowed to collect money awarded in a lawsuit during an appeal process (and that's not what Ron is implying anyway).
And for after the appeal, you only get to do post-judgement discovery if the other party refuses to pay...

Conclusion: I stand by my words.
There is no ground right now to assume there will be any post-judgement discovery.

The grounds to assume that there will eventually be post-judgement discovery is that there's no certainty of Vic winning his appeals and not owing anything. Unless you believe that he'll just immediately hand over the money if he loses all his appeals (which, true, would make post-judgement discovery unnecessary). I rather doubt that, though; I think he'd make them work for it.

Even if he does win on some of his claims, he'd still owe fees and sanctions for the dismissed claims. And the likelihood of having all of the claims reversed on appeals is pretty slim.