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Officer-involved shooting under investigation in Kenosha

Officer-involved shooting under investigation in Kenosha

KENOSHA, Wis. (CBS 58) -- An officer-involved shooting investigation is underway in Kenosha on Sunday, Aug. 23. The shooting happened near 28th Avenue and 40th Street around 5:11 p.m., after officers

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KENOSHA, Wis. (CBS 58 ) -- An officer-involved shooting investigation is underway in Kenosha on Sunday, Aug. 23.

The shooting happened near 28th Avenue and 40th Street around 5:11 p.m., after officers were called for a "domestic incident."

According to police, officers provided immediate aid to the person. They were transported via Flight for Life to Froedtert in Milwaukee for treatment. The person is in serious condition.

A large crowd gathered near the scene following the shooting.

Kenosha Sheriff’s Department and Wisconsin State Patrol were requested immediately so that the scene could be turned over to an agency other than Kenosha police.

The Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ), Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) will handle the investigation.

 

[Dom Cruise]

It seems to me like the only thing left to do is to just start putting bullets in these people (in Minecraft)

They can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, the time for talk is over, we tried talking and the left was having none of it, look at the riots they threw at Berkeley over Milo Yiannopoulos, like how DARE this man try to speak in a free country!

So now what? What does that leave us?

Rittenhouse may be just the beginning.

 

[Made In China]

It seems to me like the only thing left to do is to just start putting bullets in these people (in Minecraft)

They can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, the time for talk is over, we tried talking and the left was having none of it, look at the riots they threw at Berkeley over Milo Yiannopoulos, like how DARE this man try to speak in a free country!

So now what? What does that leave us?

Rittenhouse may be just the beginning.

Ok glowie

 

[LateNightMuffin]

The comment section on that video is savage. How did they forget to turn comments off for their propaganda, lol.

and 3.6K likes and 15K dislikes. Ha!

 

[Dom Cruise]

Ok glowie

I'm just being honest, we tried for years to talk to the left and they shut us up at every opportunity, they made it clear in no uncertain terms they're not going to talk, they're going not to debate, they're not going to compromise.

Now they've escalated things to violence.

And now they've made their agenda loud and clear in no uncertain terms, they want to destroy the United States of America as it has existed for the last 240 years, they want to shred the constitution.

Are we just going to sit back and let them do it?

 

[Wonderful Id]

It seems to me like the only thing left to do is to just start putting bullets in these people (in Minecraft)

They can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, the time for talk is over, we tried talking and the left was having none of it, look at the riots they threw at Berkeley over Milo Yiannopoulos, like how DARE this man try to speak in a free country!

So now what? What does that leave us?

Rittenhouse may be just the beginning.

At some point, it makes little sense for the white man to try to be peaceful anymore, at least in regards to our own safety. We've tried to de-escalate, but that leads to riots and claims of not caring. We've tried basic self defense and that leads to the defender getting arrested and the country hounding him. If the next step is going full 1488 and decorating trees (in Minecraft), at least we'd be safer in America and it's not like they'd be treating us any different.

If we can't speak freely and be safe in America, then what is our motivation to be nice and peaceful?

 

[Dom Cruise]

At some point, it makes little sense for the white man to try to be peaceful anymore, at least in regards to our own safety. We've tried to de-escalate, but that leads to riots and claims of not caring. We've tried basic self defense and that leads to the defender getting arrested and the country hounding him. If the next step is going full 1488 and decorating trees (in Minecraft), at least we'd be safer in America and it's not like they'd be treating us any different.

If we can't speak freely and be safe in America, then what is our motivation to be nice and peaceful?

This is my point exactly.

If you're not talking, you're fighting.

I've thought a lot about this it just seems to me like things have escalated to a point where it's not going to be solved without violence, it's already gotten violent, it just hasn't gone full scale yet.

I'm almost fully expecting by this point that after the election, by the end of this year, America is going to be in a state of civil war.

Tell me, what's going to prevent it? We're not talking anymore, the left has made it clear that they will keep escalating and keep escalating things, are they just one day going to stop and say "ok, we're bored now" after they've been doing this for this long?

 

[Wonderful Id]

This is my point exactly.

If you're not talking, you're fighting.

I've thought a lot about this it just seems to me like things have escalated to a point where it's not going to be solved without violence, it's already gotten violent, it just hasn't gone full scale yet.

I'm almost fully expecting by this point that after the election, by the end of this year, America is going to be in a state of civil war.

Tell me, what's going to prevent it? We're not talking anymore, the left has made it clear that they will keep escalating and keep escalating things, are they just one day going to stop and say "ok, we're bored now" after they've been doing this for this long?

If anything, social media has made this far worse. Even if there were people in the left who wanted to deescalate, the constant hounding from their peers would prevent that. I don't think we'll be reaching an all out civil war (since most of America seems to not want a part in this either way and I've heard a bunch of people talk about how the riots and constant lawlessness has turned them towards Trump), but we can't afford to be civil anymore. Asking for the right to practice free speech aint gonna cut it, asking for them to give us anything aint gonna cut it anyore.

 

[Dom Cruise]

If anything, social media has made this far worse. Even if there were people in the left who wanted to deescalate, the constant hounding from their peers would prevent that. I don't think we'll be reaching an all out civil war (since most of America seems to not want a part in this either way and I've heard a bunch of people talk about how the riots and constant lawlessness has turned them towards Trump), but we can't afford to be civil anymore. Asking for the right to practice free speech aint gonna cut it, asking for them to give us anything aint gonna cut it anyore.

Social media is the root cause of all this, it's simply too much power in the hands of the average person.

 

[Least Concern]

At some point, it makes little sense for the white man to try to be peaceful anymore, at least in regards to our own safety. We've tried to de-escalate, but that leads to riots and claims of not caring. We've tried basic self defense and that leads to the defender getting arrested and the country hounding him. If the next step is going full 1488 and decorating trees (in Minecraft), at least we'd be safer in America and it's not like they'd be treating us any different.

If we can't speak freely and be safe in America, then what is our motivation to be nice and peaceful?

"The white man," for Christ's sake. You really think this is a race issue? Did we see anyone who wasn't white trying to beat up Kyle? You really think there's not a silent minority of black people who would prefer not to see thugs (of any race) causing mayhem in their neighborhoods? If you're really thinking of going boog, at least know who your target really is.

I'm almost fully expecting by this point that after the election, by the end of this year, America is going to be in a state of civil war.

You are also being a tard, but this particular line is one that gets often repeated by various people, so let's address it. In order for a war to be considered a civil war, one side of it has to be what is widely considered the established government, and the other side having its own semblance of government and organized military. If it's just leftards and rightards shooting each other in the streets with police forces later coming in to mop up and make arrests, you have something more akin to gang warfare than a civil war.

 

[Dom Cruise]

You are also being a tard, but this particular line is one that gets often repeated by various people, so let's address it. In order for a war to be considered a civil war, one side of it has to be what is widely considered the established government, and the other side having its own semblance of government and organized military. If it's just leftards and rightards shooting each other in the streets with police forces later coming in to mop up and make arrests, you have something more akin to gang warfare than a civil war.

That's kind of what I'm talking about though, I guess you could consider it closer to a gang war than a civil war.

But either way, let's just call it a shooting match, we're at an impasse in society, I'm not seeing how this gets solved without some sort of a shooting match.

 

[pwnest injun]

They wouldn't be so desperate if they weren't scared. They've been trying to do all of this shit under the cover of secrecy, but it's slowly coming to light.

You need to have more faith in the common man. 80% of people are with you. All this violent action is like the convulsions of our nation vomiting these people out.

 

[Dom Cruise]

They wouldn't be so desperate if they weren't scared. They've been trying to do all of this shit under the cover of secrecy, but it's slowly coming to light.

You need to have more faith in the common man. 80% of people are with you. All this violent action is like the convulsions of our nation vomiting these people out.

Perhaps you are right.

I'm definitely of the mind that if I feel this way probably most Americans do and that may be what saves us.

 

[AnnLurker]

Just remove Antifa from their BLM allies and voila, most the violence goes away. So, if you see any white people marching with black lives matter people in a demonstration just lock them up because they are up to no good.

 

[thismanlies]

The comment section on that video is savage. How did they forget to turn comments off for their propaganda, lol.

Holy shit, you weren't kidding. None of these comments whatsoever are going to bat for Blake or CBS.

As a bonus, apparently CBS tried reuploading the video to erase the like/dislike ratio. Sure as fuck didn't help them.

 

[Made In China]

I'm just being honest, we tried for years to talk to the left and they shut us up at every opportunity, they made it clear in no uncertain terms they're not going to talk, they're going not to debate, they're not going to compromise.

Now they've escalated things to violence.

And now they've made their agenda loud and clear in no uncertain terms, they want to destroy the United States of America as it has existed for the last 240 years, they want to shred the constitution.

Are we just going to sit back and let them do it?

The rioters are a symptom, not the cause. Deprive their puppetmasters of their power and the rioters won't be a problem anymore.

 

[DeadFish]

The rioters are a symptom, not the cause. Deprive their puppetmasters of their power and the rioters won't be a problem anymore.

Thats a Mosh pit of a large variety of suspects

 

[Bisdejl]

I don't see how they get a conviction on this. Even the charging documents don't support the legal conclusions they're trying to push. If Rittenhouse was justified in the first shooting, I don't see how he wasn't justified in all the others after the criminals continued retaliating against him for lawfully defending himself in the first place. He doesn't even lose if he had a duty to retreat, as he was trying to do exactly that while the criminals were trying to murder him.

While all of the following does come from a post from the AR15.com forums, which likely has a significant bias in favor of Kyle, I haven't been able to find anything to disagree with in the author's timeline of events.

Original / Archive

Some points of interest:

• A number of kiwis were posting about how unbelievably lucky some of Kyle's shots were, given the situation and his (presumptive!) lack of experience. However, the people on AR15.com spotted that he may have also been dealing with a failure to feed during all of this.
  

  Looking close at the timeframe after Huber is center-massed, it does appear that Rittenhouse turns his rifle sideways and looks at the weapon for a split second and maybe even cycles the charging handle with his right hand. If so, that is an unbelievably smooth clearing of a malfunction. Looking at the two high-resolution photos I see three in sequence. Huber attack prior to the shot. Grosskreutz arms up 1 right after the Huber shot. Grosskreutz arms up 2 just before his bicep is red-misted. There appears to be a casing on the ground before the Huber attack. Two after. But not three. So if there was a malfunction it was a failure to feed, not something more serious (good thing too). Rittenhouse appears to be looking at his rifle in arms up 2.]

• There are two pretty suspicious ring leader sorts that may be responsible for provoking the confrontation between Jake and the pedo. Look for "Grey Camo Pants" and "BLM Backpack Girl" for more details, but here's a teaser.
  

  Notice in the above video how BLM Backpack Girl and Grey Camo Pants appear, casually mingle into the situation without participating or being phased by any of the shouting, pushing, or confrontation around them. At one point BLM Backpack Girl wanders right in the middle of a shouting match between the armed group and Short Bald Subject. Ho hum. Just another day at the office.

• There's a somewhat lengthy summary of what constitutes a valid claim of self-defense in Wisconsin, and whether or not it applies to Kyle.
  

  Those claiming self defence must:
  1. Have the reasonable belief that...
  2. ...they or another person...
  3. ...are in imminent...
  4. ...danger of death or great bodily harm, and...
  5. ...that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent said harm.

  Spoiler: First "engagement" with Rosenbaum

  Reasonable belief...
  In the initial encounter with Short Bald Subject, Rittenhouse can be seen turning at least once to face the pursuing Short Bald Subject after Short Bald Subject hurled an object at Rittenhouse. In that quick turn it is possible that Rittenhouse brought his rifle barrel to bear. Short Bald Subject seems to hesitate, but continues to come on just as strong thereafter, charging Rittenhouse at full tilt. I would be at pains to articulate an argument that Rittenhouse did not reasonably believe that force was necessary to avoid a physical confrontation.
  ..that he faced imminent...
  You don't get a lot more imminent than an adult male charging you at full tilt, especially as close as Rittenhouse permitted Short Bald Subject to approach (1.0-1.5 meters from the look of it).
  ...danger of death or great bodily harm...
  It is entirely reasonable, within the context of civil unrest, mob action, and a lack of any real police presence, to expect that a full on physical fight with a determined adversary will result in your great bodily harm. I would expect that Rittenhouse's own exposure to police cadet programs and training would make this reasonable belief by him easy to establish based on what he may have learned in such programs, but anyone watching the news or even vaguely aware of the propensity for mob violence in cities facing unrest (and Kenosha in particular) would be reasonable in fearing great bodily harm or death if they are jumped in that context. Ironically, Rittenhouse's own words in the prior video interview, that he was armed because he might have to go "into harm's way" is a good piece of evidence vis-a-vis his state of mind at the time.
  ...and, that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent said harm.
  Again, Short Bald Subject was not stopping for anything. Given the video evidence of Short Bald Subject's disposition at the Ultimate station earlier, I suspect any third party will be able to safely infer that the prison-hardened Short Bald Subject did not intend to give Rittenhouse an over-the-knee spanking.
  Spoiler: Second "engagement" that includes Huber and Grosskreutz

  Reasonable belief...
  In the video of the chase immediately before Engagement 2 Rittenhouse can be clearly seen looking behind him, obviously registering the number of pursuers he faced. If he had any doubts about their intentions the blow delivered to the rear of his head by White Shirt (a Misdemeanor Battery in Wisconsin) should have made them clear. When Rittenhouse fell to the ground and turned to face his attackers he had a view of at least a dozen individuals approaching him, including the four primary assailants.
  ..that he faced imminent...
  While Red Backpack is deterred by the sight of the barrel of the rifle coming to bear and therefore receives no fire, in each of the cases where Rittenhouse used deadly force (Light Pants, Huber, Grosskreutz) Rittenhouse fires when contact is either imminent or already initiated.
  ...danger of death or great bodily harm...
  An attempted drop kick to the head (White Pants), a skateboard-wielding assailant fighting for control of Rittenhouse's weapon (Huber), and a handgun carrying assailant that fakes surrender to try and gain tactical surprise (Grosskreutz). Nearby an individual with a blunt instrument held upward. A group of pursuers who had chased Rittenhouse two or three blocks already shouting out things like "Get his ass!" and who swarmed on him when he fell.
  ...and, that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent said harm.
  Rittenhouse's attackers were undeterred by the presence of and then even the discharge of his weapon. Still two of them (Huber and Grosskreutz) attacked.
• That asshole Grosskreutz should be dead. He's only alive due to Kyle being merciful, naive, or both.
  

  All three subjects Rittenhouse scored clear hits on were out of the fight immediately. One (Grosskreutz) melted down even though he had ample means to continue the fight. Grosskreutz is only alive today because of Rittenhouse's amazing (perhaps even naive) restraint. I don't know of any tactical instructor that wouldn't counsel a follow-up shot to center mass on Grosskreutz immediately after the arm-strike.

• Much further into the thread, there are some interesting posts by the OP (original/ archive) about video footage from McGinniss (who is apparently a Daily Caller reporter that had been talking to Kyle prior to all of this) that hasn't been made public...yet? It's particularly relevant because it may be the only footage of what happened in the lead-up to the pedo getting shot.
  

  The video is rather dispositive. I'm not sure if it's going to see wide circulation until the trial (if there is one) or after matters are settled. Certainly the Kenosha prosecutor has no motivation to release it.

 

[INVCTS]

Robert Barnes isn't a fan of how the legal defense of Kyle is being handled.

 

[JohnDoe]

Robert Barnes isn't a fan of how the legal defense of Kyle is being handled.

He apparently has a very low opinion of Lin Wood and the current defense guy, Peirce, for the following reasons:
Legal fuck-ups like not aggressively building a case and showing up to the extradition hearing (a public defender was there), and in non-legal fuckups, his own personal experience with Lin Wood and reports that both dudes are kind of crazy. Reports of domestic abuse for both men, money troubles, and general batshit craziness.

Everybody pray for Kyle.

 

[AnOminous]

You are also being a tard, but this particular line is one that gets often repeated by various people, so let's address it. In order for a war to be considered a civil war, one side of it has to be what is widely considered the established government, and the other side having its own semblance of government and organized military.

It's a few blocks of a couple of the leftest cities in the country, with occasional short-lived riots in other cities. It's pretty much on a level with the Watts riots and associated riots, and somewhat worse than the riots during and after the L.A. riots, which because they had no support, were rapidly stopped with the Insurrection Act, but because both sides of the political spectrum are absolute fucking garbage, they're deliberately letting them go on in a game of chicken, because they each think it makes the other look worse.

They're nothing compared to the draft riots that occurred during the actual Civil War, or the Whiskey Rebellion, or the Dorr Rebellion, or any number of other events in the past. People are just fucking hysterical and dumb and don't remember anything like this in their own lifetime.

He apparently has a very low opinion of Lin Wood and the current defense guy, Peirce, for the following reasons:

It's best always to be at least slightly suspicious of anyone who seems to want more camera time than his own clients. They tend to bite off more than they can chew and there's always at least a chance of them going full Avenatti.