TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[stuffandthings]

So if it took 10 years for Lyndsey to write a book, does this make her the next George R R Martin?

Hello, I'm Lyndsay Lannister. I dismember it so you don't have to. Come to think of it, Cersei did love a drink.

The only reason it took her "Ten Years to Write" is that it is literally her fanfiction of the 07 Transformers movie that she found lying around and filed the serial numbers off of. That's why it's set in 2007. No way she was working on this thing in a dedicated sense for the whole 10 years.

 

[Random Internet Person]

The only reason it took her "Ten Years to Write" is that it is literally her fanfiction of the 07 Transformers movie that she found lying around and filed the serial numbers off of. That's why it's set in 2007. No way she was working on this thing in a dedicated sense for the whole 10 years.

Shit, really? No wonder people have said the quality is lacking.

 

[BrunoMattei]

It did not take ten years to write the book, it took ten years to PUBLISH.

If you honestly believe she never revised it or proof read it in all that time then I have bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you. It's actually more pathetic that it took 10 years when she had all that time to improve on things and that's the best she can do.

 

[stuffandthings]

Shit, really? No wonder people have said the quality is lacking.

Yup the parallels are all there. (confession: I'm a huge Transformers Sperg) I'd said it a couple months ago, but it definitely deserves to be repeated. If you were go go hunting on FFdotnet for fics written back in 07, you would find the equivalent of this story 100 times. And many of the smaller tropes, from 'spark bonding' to the aliens having a caste system, are popular TF Fanfiction tropes.

Susie was just a nice normal college student, until an asteroid fell from the sky and she met Bumblebee/Starscream/Jazz/Thundercracker and got wrapped up in their war.
I haven't read the book yet, but am curious about trying to figure out which Autobot/Decepticon Ampersand originally was.

 

[Fictional Character]

If you honestly believe she never revised it or proof read it in all that time then I have bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you. It's actually more pathetic that it took 10 years when she had all that time to improve on things and that's the best she can do.

She figured out that getting a fanbase and selling the book based on that was more likely to get it published than improving the writing or the story.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

The only people I know into omegaverse shit are gays with a submission kink- it has a really heavy incidence of overlap with puppy play.

Watching Lindsay try to write gay omegaverse shit might be worth reading just for the cringe factor.

 

[HonestJohn2376]

If you honestly believe she never revised it or proof read it in all that time then I have bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you. It's actually more pathetic that it took 10 years when she had all that time to improve on things and that's the best she can do.

Had an actual editor, not some partisan, properly read through the work and advised Lindsay on corrections, Axiom's End may have been a decent read. It had the potential but lazy execution.

Just checked the USA Today Bestseller top 150 list as well. For the debut week (7/30/2020) it was listed at #16, and by the next week's list (8/6/2020) it was GONE. It's not just that the book didn't have legs, it was a damn amputee.

That shows the huge gulf between the insulated Internet audience and the audience outside. Most e-celebs don't seem to understand that an online audience of sympathizers and followers, the people who closely follow their every action, are very different from the diverse people offline. A few progressive lit nerds liking Axiom's End is one thing, but Tom at the book store, Dick at Amazon, and Harriet at the airport are quite another.

This is the story of Cora. Cora is a self centered, boring, NPC in training, and a depressing human being. The only active characters are her mother, a Disney villianess and alcoholic wreck after her husband divorced her to tell The Truth about aliens. Her father, the unholy love child made up of Julian Assange, Art Bell, and Alex Jones. Her aunt, a government spook that spent her entire career studying aliens only to have Cora learn more about them in two weeks. A collection of CIA agents that all blend together. And Ampersand, alien big wig and romantic interest. For people who think Stockholm syndrome is romantic.

Cora being so selfish, passive, depressed, and boring reflects the subconscious values of leftist "intellectual" Millennials. Caring about your family and community outside of some progressive agenda about nonwhite solidarity makes you a sheep to convention at best, or if your community is white, a covert fascist at worst. Being proactive, going out of your way to confront problems and other people if necessary, makes you a callous bully who oppresses other people. Enjoying life and connecting to people over everyday things in life makes you a "neurotypical extrovert", a frivolous person unfit to understand the depression, ennui, and existential dread of the shut-in intellectual. Being fun? Who needs fun! How dare you have fun when someone is being oppressed somewhere!

 

[Weppers]

I guess I should not be surprised that some britcuck socialist doesn't understand how the Japanese were NOT going to surrender until Millions more Japanese and thousands of US soldiers died, Russia coming in to cut Japan into pieces for them to consume, and the effect the use of Nukes had on securing peace between the great superpowers for 80+ years. However, as much as his reading is biased, uninformative and emotionally manipulating at least it relates to the topic. Axiom's end is a fucking YA novel for literal mouth breathers.

Any time someone starts whinging about how terrible nuking Japan was, remember that the U.S. hasn't manufactured new Purple Hearts since WW2 ended. The excess we built up in anticipation of the land invasion still hasn't run out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart

During World War II, 1,506,000 Purple Heart medals were manufactured, many in anticipation of the estimated casualties resulting from the planned Allied invasion of Japan. By the end of the war, even accounting for medals lost, stolen or wasted, nearly 500,000 remained. To the present date, total combined American military casualties of the seventy years following the end of World War II—including the Korean and Vietnam Wars—have not exceeded that number. In 2000, there remained 120,000 Purple Heart medals in stock. The existing surplus allowed combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to soldiers wounded in the field.[9]

I need to find the name of this one children's book about Hiroshima we read when I was a kid. It was written by a woman that was 9 or something when the bomb hit and in the first pages she explains that the little girls were being taught to fight with sharpened sticks at school. It was either the nukes or extermination.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I need to find the name of this one children's book about Hiroshima we read when I was a kid. It was written by a woman that was 9 or something when the bomb hit and in the first pages she explains that the little girls were being taught to fight with sharpened sticks at school. It was either the nukes or extermination.

I’m not sure about the sticks, but all I’m familiar with is Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes.

 

[BScCollateral]

remember that the U.S. hasn't manufactured new Purple Hearts since WW2 ended.

I understand that small runs have been ordered, just to make sure the tooling is maintained properly in case they need to kick up production some day, but yeah.

 

[Den Gigantiske]

Yup the parallels are all there. (confession: I'm a huge Transformers Sperg) I'd said it a couple months ago, but it definitely deserves to be repeated. If you were go go hunting on FFdotnet for fics written back in 07, you would find the equivalent of this story 100 times. And many of the smaller tropes, from 'spark bonding' to the aliens having a caste system, are popular TF Fanfiction tropes.

Susie was just a nice normal college student, until an asteroid fell from the sky and she met Bumblebee/Starscream/Jazz/Thundercracker and got wrapped up in their war.
I haven't read the book yet, but am curious about trying to figure out which Autobot/Decepticon Ampersand originally was.

Starscream she loves Starscream with a passion one of her old Nchick videos is on him.

 

[Harlan Wick]

Cora being so selfish, passive, depressed, and boring reflects the subconscious values of leftist "intellectual" Millennials. Caring about your family and community outside of some progressive agenda about nonwhite solidarity makes you a sheep to convention at best, or if your community is white, a covert fascist at worst. Being proactive, going out of your way to confront problems and other people if necessary, makes you a callous bully who oppresses other people. Enjoying life and connecting to people over everyday things in life makes you a "neurotypical extrovert", a frivolous person unfit to understand the depression, ennui, and existential dread of the shut-in intellectual. Being fun? Who needs fun! How dare you have fun when someone is being oppressed somewhere!

I agree with partly on Cora's character or lack of. A lot of Cora's character flaws do stem for shit tier writing or having supporting characters as props instead of real people. Her brother and sister only come up when the author need a puppet for emotional manipulation or to prove that Cora is really a normal human person.

 

[Tiger Tanaka]

I guess I should not be surprised that some britcuck socialist doesn't understand how the Japanese were NOT going to surrender until Millions more Japanese and thousands of US soldiers died, Russia coming in to cut Japan into pieces for them to consume, and the effect the use of Nukes had on securing peace between the great superpowers for 80+ years. However, as much as his reading is biased, uninformative and emotionally manipulating at least it relates to the topic. Axiom's end is a fucking YA novel for literal mouth breathers.

Not exactly true. The Japanese were losing cities every day to firebombings and conventional bombs. Whether 1 bomb or 10,000 were used to delete a city made very little diference to the japanese. They were already looking to surrender prior to this, but not unconditionally. One of their big sticking points was the emperor should not be prosecuted. Then the USSR invades Manchuria, obliterates hundreds of thousands of Japanese soldiers, ending its neutrality in the East. This was a bigger push for the Japanese to surrender unconditionally.... coincidentally, their emperor was not prosecuted anyway.

The nukes were more ideally used to scare Russia into compliance in the hopes they'd play ball after WW2 ended. What the allies didn't expect was Stalin to be indifferent to the bombs, because he'd infiltrated the British nuclear project and would be testing his own nukes as early as 1949*

Though for the record I don't care one way or the other if the Americans used them or not; it did not happen in my life time.

EDIT - Typo'd as 1945 originally

 

[BScCollateral]

Whether 1 bomb or 10,000 were used to delete a city made very little diference to the japanese.

"Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization."

Hirohito didn't even mention the conventional air raids directly in his surrender speech.

There's a class of historical revisionism which involves ignoring what was said by the original participants in favor of a preferred thesis.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

My favorite thing about revisionist history regarding WWII is that the US has to feel bad about what we did to Japan all the time, and its a crime that we will never be able to earn penance for, no matter how many times we beg forgiveness.

Fair enough, but I love how Japan has never been forced to apologize even once for its atrocities committed during WWII. I'm not even talking about Pearl Harbor either because, lets face it, the US got them back. But read up about the Rape of Nanking sometime, an event that Japan never apologized for and some even denied that it ever happened (despite photographic evidence existing). It got so bad that the Nazis (the actual literal ones) had to step in and tell Japan to knock it off. Yes, there is actually a story from WWII where the actual Nazis were shocked by their ally's actions and thought "Whoa...too far guys".

 

[Tiger Tanaka]

"Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization."

Hirohito didn't even mention the conventional air raids directly in his surrender speech.

There's a class of historical revisionism which involves ignoring what was said by the original participants in favor of a preferred thesis.

you're absolutely correct. He does mention it. Moreover. As an afterthought, an aside. It also ignores the fact Truman and the allies ignored Japan's prior requests for surrender because they wanted to use the bombs. I don't consider America guilty of dropping them, and I don't consider it any larger a war crime than the fire bombings or Dresden (if they are war crimes), and America if it is to be a villain, is far less a villain than Japan or Germany or the USSR. I'm just standing the Japanese didn't see Atom Bombs and surrender. They'd lost bigger cities with more dead due to conventional and fire bombing and didn't surrender. The USSR in Manchuria, the mass famine, the complete lack of oil, and that every port had been successfully blockaded and mined were all just as big. Hirohito's speech to the Japanese people was a simplified message for the peasantry and it did indeed reference something they'd be terrified of enduring, but it's also a convenient "out" and helps to shift the blame from his own forces being inadequate and picking a fight they could never win. We fought honorably but the nukes robbed us.

As a source I'd quote Max Hastings's Nemesis and Armageddon. Though to tie this back into the subject matter, I think what's more important is America didn't escalate by dropping Lindsay Ellis books on the Islands of Japan.

 

[BScCollateral]

I'm just standing the Japanese didn't see Atom Bombs and surrender.

It is pure coincidence the Japanese saw atomic bombs and surrendered.

 

[Tiger Tanaka]

It is pure coincidence the Japanese saw atomic bombs and surrendered.

no, that is a part of the bigger picture. The Japanese were trying to surrender prior to that, to terms the Americans had agreed to prior to that. The bombings happened on the 6th and 9th. The Japanese surrendered on the 15th, after the USSR violated neutrality and started obliterating their colossal army in China.

 

[BScCollateral]

no, that is a part of the bigger picture. The Japanese were trying to surrender prior to that, to terms the Americans had agreed to prior to that. The bombings happened on the 6th and 9th. The Japanese surrendered on the 15th, after the USSR violated neutrality and started obliterating their colossal army in China.

Why didn't Hirohito mention any of that?

 

[Tiger Tanaka]

Why didn't Hirohito mention any of that?

He doesn't mention surrender either. Or the death tolls, or the prior negotiations. Part of it being he's a figure head given a script in front of him that he did not write, and the Japanese, especially the upper echelons, are trying to save face. It's why he talks in euphemisms about the war no longer being in Japan's favor. Translation, they're getting absolutely obliterated. They didn't have the fuel to scramble a single aircraft to stop Enola Gay, and because they assumed it was a scout, let it pierce their airspace. Over 90 percent of their shipping is not getting through. There's mass starvation, no medical treatment for burns and cuts, and the USAAF is ripping the country to pieces with its incredible might. If he was to list every problem he'd have been there all week. Instead, Hito's speech is rambling showmanship, and more a means to pull the rug from under the military who are hoping for a glorious last stand that the government doesn't fancy.

Of course all of this is still debated by historians, but I'm in the camp that the A-Bombs were a a part of the surrender, and not the reason for bringing a ''fight to the last island' to the table. Japan were trying to surrender before this.