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I would give these guys shit since blocking roads is *now* inappropriate but this is county police who probably have nothing to do with the fuckery in Portland.
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These people are trash.
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i saw someone on /k/ say a bullet going at 1000 feet per second "wouldn't do any damage""A pistol isn't even that deadly anyways"
That individual knows absolutely nothing about firearms. Wonder what that faggots opinion would be if Saint Kyle had used a pistol instead? God I hate reddit.
Tell you what, Multnomah, the minute they start arresting those faggots on I5, in Portland, in Seattle, I'll give a shit if some fucking hick block roads in Corbett.
Well... a few months ago I would've agreed with you. Nowadays... let's just say I've packed up and left some ranges because I didn't feel safe around some of the people shooting there. Not because I was afraid they would intentionally murder me, but because the flood of new shooters would be more likely to ND into my fucking temple.When I saw the lady swinging that gun around like a goddamn hair dryer I had a feeling it didn't work. No one handles a loaded gun like that.
Ask them to stand in front of a .22 revolver and see how many continue saying that."A pistol isn't even that deadly anyways"
That individual knows absolutely nothing about firearms. Wonder what that faggots opinion would be if Saint Kyle had used a pistol instead? God I hate reddit.
I honestly don't know. I haven't been following the details.I thought the State AG curbstomped the local DA and had everything dropped, or else?
Some moms who delivered snacks (and probably weapons) at the Portland riots have apparently been getting death threats
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Corbett is, to be generous, five miles from the outlying suburbs of Portland.
Who are generally the kind of idiots who say stupid stuff like "Blue lives matter".Till then, go sit down and shut the fuck up, since apparently the police departments around the country aren't here to do shit but arrest people who hurt Antifa's feelings.
Tell you what, Multnomah, the minute they start arresting those faggots on I5, in Portland, in Seattle, I'll give a shit if some fucking hick block roads in Corbett.
Till then, go sit down and shut the fuck up, since apparently the police departments around the country aren't here to do shit but arrest people who hurt Antifa's feelings.
Is “mamas” and “kiddos” code word for something here? I feel like it is, I haven’t been paying much attention to this snack van portion of the program.
It's exactly what it sounds like: moms and kids. These people are part of the "wall of moms", a group of moms (mostly in Portland) who go to protests because they think the police hurting mothers is good optics for antifa.
Yes it's an optics game, but they're either too stupid to be remotely believable, or know the media will report its purported name with no skepticism, because they can't resist filling the ranks with linebackers and describing themselves as "people who identify as moms", "nonbinary", etc.It's probably just an optics game. The word mamas is meant to make people feel empathy for the protesters because it reminds them of their childhood and their own mothers.
My first thought was that it was one of the 'brigadiers' being sarcastic. But I also wouldn't be surprised that an r/liberalgunowners redditor is just that big of an idiot."A pistol isn't even that deadly anyways"
That individual knows absolutely nothing about firearms. Wonder what that faggots opinion would be if Saint Kyle had used a pistol instead? God I hate reddit.
They have all kinds of tasty things in those vans.What theis the point “in theory” of the snack cans anyway? Are BLM idiots incapable of finding water in a
ing city? Are they so weak they can’t riot all night without snacks?
"it is never legal to block a public roadway or force other citizens to stop."
Why didn't they just be honest and sum up how they really feel; Yeah, they were criminals, so what? We don't care, why do you?![]()
What’s True and False About Kyle Rittenhouse’s Alleged Victims
Fans of the 17-year-old, charged in a double killing, launched an online campaign to smear the reputations of his victims.www.snopes.com
In attempt to justify the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse — the 17-year-old accused of shooting three people, killing two, with a semi-automatic rifle during a protest on Aug. 25, 2020, in Kenosha, Wisconsin — Americans on the political right launched a grassroots effort to uncover any evidence to deny the shooting victims martyrdom among opponents.
The makeshift investigations revealed what hardline conservatives believed to be proof of criminal wrongdoing by the deceased — Anthony Huber, 26, and Joseph Rosenbaum, 36 —as well as by Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, who shot was shot in the arm and survived. One blog post alleged:
Ultimately, the focus on the victims’ backgrounds aimed to prove Rittenhouse’s actions defensible, and discredit an underlying belief by the political left: that the victims acted heroically, and were wrongfully targeted by the armed teenager at the protest.
And though the rumors about the shooting victims varied in severity and nature, many alleged this: Huber was a known offender of domestic violence and rapist; Rosenbaum had sexually abused children; Grosskreutz had been arrested on suspicion of multiple crimes, including felony burglary, and all three victims were convicted felons. Based on court records and inmate rosters, aspects of those claims were indeed accurate, while others were outright false.
What follows is an explanation of those findings, as well as everything we know about the incident that made the three men symbols of the country’s political divide, at the request of Snopes readers to investigate the wide-ranging online campaign to celebrate Rittenhouse, and smear the reputations of his alleged victims.
But we should note here: No evidence showed the victims’ histories had anything to do with the protest, which began as a peaceful showing of people against racism by U.S. law enforcement after a white police officer days prior shot and wounded a Black man, Jacob Blake, who is now paralyzed from the waist down.
Additionally, no proof existed to confirm or deny whether Rittenhouse knew of Huber, Rosenbaum, or Grosskreutz — or their criminal histories — before he was captured in video footage patrolling the protest with the rifle.
‘I Just Killed Someone’: How the Kenosha Shooting Unfolded
To understand the gravity of the rumors swirling about the shooting victims’ past, let’s unpack what happened that chaotic night in Kenosha.
Giving ideological ammo to Rittenhouse supporters on the frontlines of the country’s culture war online, his legal defense team have framed the teenager from Antioch, Illinois, as a courageous vigilante who was patrolling the streets of Kenosha to prevent property destruction and theft when he needed to use his gun to defend himself. U.S. President Donald Trump, too, has said the teen appeared to be “in very big trouble” and “probably would have been killed” had he not acted the way he did.
That said, according to a statement to reporters by one of Rittenhouse’s attorneys, the teen had heard the owner of a Kenosha car dealership wanted help patrolling his properties during the protest, so Rittenhouse and a friend armed themselves with rifles and headed to one of the auto shops.
After the city’s mandated curfew of 8 p.m. passed, law-enforcement officers tried to clear a crowd of people a couple of blocks away — which, in effect, pushed the group toward the auto shop where Rittenhouse and others were stationed with guns. People in the crowd apparently threatened the teen and others acting as vigilante security guards, per the attorney’s account. Then, after some running around, Rittenhouse attempted to go to a second mechanic shop, which he apparently believed was vulnerable to property damage. That’s when the attorney said people “began chasing him down.”
The back and forth between the teenager and the alleged “mob” was unknown, including if or to what extent they exchanged words. Also unknown were the locations of Huber, Rosenbaum, or Grosskreutz at that point in the night, or whether they had interacted with Rittenhouse before shots were fired.
The complaint outlining Rittenhouse’s criminal charges — which include murder and first-degree reckless homicide — as well as bystanders’ videos, explained what happened next, shortly before midnight: For some reason, Rittenhouse started running in the auto shop parking lot, while his first shooting victim, Rosenbaum, followed him at a close distance, and a journalist trailed Rosenbaum.
At one point, Rosenbaum — who appeared to be unarmed in at least one video — threw what appeared to be a plastic bag in the teen’s direction while running, and it landed short of Rittenhouse. And within seconds, shots rang out, and Rosenbaum fell to the ground, according to the complaint. It was unclear who fired first.
Rittenhouse’s legal team has said the teen didn’t open fire first — but rather he heard a gunshot behind him as he ran, turned around, and saw Rosenbaum lunging toward him and reaching for the rifle.
As the journalist attempted to give Rosenbaum medical aid, Rittenhouse apparently called someone — and then fled. The complaint stated:
According to cellphone footage, a group of people followed Rittenhouse, yelling “Beat him up!” and “Hey, he shot him!” The teenager continued running, tripped, and then fell to the ground — from where he fired four shots.
Per the complaint, several people rushed toward the teen and hit him or tried to disarm him while he was lying on the ground. Among that group was Rittenhouse’s second victim, Huber, who had apparently hit Rittenhouse with a skateboard during the scuffle. Then, the complaint stated:
Rittenhouse sat up and pointed his gun at Grosskreutz, who ducked, put his hands in the air, and stepped back. Seconds later, when Grosskreutz moved toward the teen — apparently while holding a handgun — Rittenhouse fired one shot and struck Grosskreutz in the arm, the complaint alleged.
Grosskreutz ran away and medics took him to the hospital, where he was treated for a severe gunshot wound. Weeks later, in an interview with CNN that published Sept. 11, Grosskreutz said he was still recovering and missing most of his bicep where he was shot.
“I never fired my weapon that night,” Grosskreutz said. “Everybody was there exercising their right to protest. And there were some people who were exercising their right to bear arms, including myself.”
What We Know About the Victims — Aside From Their Rap Sheets
All victims apparently were familiar faces at protests against police brutality beginning in May 2020, when George Floyd, a Black man, died after a white Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for about nine minutes, and sparked an international reckoning over race and policing.
Porche Bennett, a Kenosha activist and business owner, told The Kenosha News while all three men were known by protest organizers, Rosenbaum and Huber were regular attendees of gatherings in the Kenosha area.
“They came out here every time with us,” Bennett said of the deceased.
Rosenbaum was originally from Waco, Texas. He lived in Arizona, where he went to high school and a community college, before moving to Wisconsin in 2020, per news reports and his Facebook page. He apparently worked at a Wendy’s restaurant in Kenosha at the time of his death, and he was survived by a fiancée and young daughter.
Those closest to Huber, a Kenosha resident, remembered him as a friendly, laid-back guy who loved skateboarding. His obituary claimed he “died a hero fighting for a cause he believed in,” and he was was survived by his girlfriend and her daughter.
Grosskreutz, meanwhile, isn’t from Kenosha, a lakeside city between Milwaukee and Chicago with a population of about 100,000 people. Following Blake’s shooting by a police officer there, however, Grosskreutz traveled about 40 miles south to Kenosha from his home in West Allis, a Milwaukee suburb, to show solidarity with those protesting the police officer’s use of potentially lethal force against Blake.
Grosskreutz is reportedly a member of a Milwaukee-based social justice group called the People’s Revolution Movement, and was patrolling Kenosha streets as a volunteer medic when the Aug. 25 demonstration turned deadly. And in addition to social justice work, Grosskreutz has worked as a wilderness medical instructor, among other jobs, and was a senior at a private liberal arts college in Ashland, Wisconsin, when he was shot and wounded, The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.
“I’m not an Antifa terrorist organizer,” he told CNN. “I go to school. And yeah, I exercise my First Amendment right to peacefully protest.”
What’s True — and False — About the Victims’ Criminal Histories
The viral claims alleging unlawful behavior by Huber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz before the Kenosha shooting were a mixture of truth and falsehoods.
For example, yes, Rosenbaum was found guilty of engaging in “sexual conduct with a minor” in Arizona’s Pima County in March 2002, almost two decades before his death, according to an online database of prison inmates in Arizona, via the state’s department of corrections. Per that online portal, he was sentenced to prison or parole for roughly 15 years. The state’s law defines the felony offense as “intentionally or knowingly engaging in sexual intercourse or oral sexual contact with any person who is under eighteen (1years of age,” though we could not confirm the details of Rosenbaum’s case. We requested copies of probable-cause statements from the Pima County Superior Court’s Office, and we will update this report when or if we hear back.
Considering that evidence, the claim that Rosenbaum at one point was convicted of sexually abusing at least one child before his death was true.
Next, we analyzed criminal records involving Huber, and determined it also accurate to state he was charged with domestic abuse. We uncovered a Kenosha County criminal complaint that outlined his first serious run-in with law enforcement, in December 2012. And per that complaint, Huber, who was 18 years old at the time, threatened his brother and grandmother at their home with a knife, choked the brother, and demanded that they follow his orders. The complaint said the brother wanted to take Huber to a hospital, apparently for emergency mental health help, but Huber resisted. In the end, he was charged with strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment, both of which are felony crimes.
On another occasion, about three years later, Huber paid a roughly $150 citation or possessing drug paraphernalia, court records showed. Then, in 2018, Huber was charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor offense, after a fight with his sister at their house, per a criminal complaint by Kenosha prosecutors.
But unlike what many Rittenhouse supporters claimed, we could find no court evidence that Huber had sexually assaulted anyone.
Also false was the assertion that all three of the teenager’s victims were felons. Grosskreutz had not committed a felony crime, our analysis of court records showed.
He was, however, found guilty in 2016 of breaking Wisconsin’s law governing the use of dangerous weapons — a misdemeanor offense — per Milwaukee County court records. He had apparently gone somewhere “armed while intoxicated,” though the court records did not elaborate on what exactly had happened. Snopes requested a copy of the probable cause statement from county records administrators, but we have not yet obtained it.
Additionally, Grosskreutz at various points received tickets for minor offenses including disobeying police officers and making loud noises, the court records showed. However, we found no evidence to prove he committed burglary, like supporters of the alleged killer claimed.
In the interview with CNN, Grosskreutz said he has paid his debt for his past crimes and that he had every right to carry a gun at the Aug. 25 protest. “I’m not a felon,” he said. “I had a legal right to possess [a firearm] and to possess it concealed.”
The Victims’ Criminal Past ‘Have No Bearing on Them Being Shot’
As of this writing, Rittenhouse was set to make his next court appearance on Sept. 25, and no court proceedings have called attention to the criminal histories of his alleged victims.
Threads on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and other social media sites for Americans on the far political right, as well as white supremacists and armed militias, were a different story, however. Those type of discussions were not unusual; onlookers of high-profile, controversial killings often focus on the criminal records of the victims, no matter the relevance of that history.
The phenomenon is particularly prevalent when authorities kill non-white people; for example, conservative corners of the internet focused on Floyd’s alleged criminal background after his death, which sparked a civil rights movement, and the rapsheet of another Black man, Rayshard Brooks, after a white Atlanta police officer fatally shot him in a Wendy’s parking lot in June 2020.
Psychologists have said the strategy — whether intentional or not — of shifting focus away from questionable violence and onto the past unlawful behavior of victims makes it easy for people to subscribe to the “they had it coming” trope and justify deaths or injuries.
In response to that campaign, The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel released a statement on Sept. 1 in which it explained why the newspaper had not reported on the victims’ past legal records. The statement read:
(On the bright side if it’s not settled by December we might have our first incumbent female President, Empress Pelosi. Fun.)
Slightly off-topic, but is there a source for this? I keep hearing the possibility of Pelosi being elected, but from what I understand, that would not happen in the case of a contingent election (which happens if no one receives at least 270 electoral votes). If there's another scenario I don't know of, can you link it?But in the hopes that they can tie up the election certification past the constitutionally required date. Thus kicking the Presidential Selection over to the House of Representatives, and anointing President Pelosi Pro Tem.
I guess I'm thinking of some of my older Boomer relatives who grew up in the segregation era and are now wondering if it was ever a good idea to get rid of it in the first place. Combine that with a seething hatred for commies and rich liberal "Yankees", and they've said they'd give Trump a third term if it meant these people would be properly dealt with so these riots/tantrums will stop.You're severely understimating the degree to which boomers and the older genX-ers trust in what the TV tells them. As far as they're concerned the talking heads' word is law no matter how often it contradicts itself.
From 2016Slightly off-topic, but is there a source for this? I keep hearing the possibility of Pelosi being elected, but from what I understand, that would not happen in the case of a contingent election (which happens if no one receives at least 270 electoral votes). If there's another scenario I don't know of, can you link it?
According to the 12th amendment: "The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President." In other words, a contingent election can only elect one of the three candidates who received the most electoral votes, so Pelosi would not be elected.From 2016
What Happens if Nobody Gets 270 Electoral Votes?
September 19, 2016
It takes 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. What if nobody reaches that threshhold?
There are two main scenarios where this could occur. Neither is likely at this time, but fun to think about. The first is a 269-269 tie between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. The 2nd involves one (or more) third party candidates getting enough electoral votes so that neither Clinton or Trump reach 270.
There are 97 possible ties based on the states that currently look most likely to be competitive in November. Use our updated Electoral College Tie Finder to see what happens as you assign those states to Clinton or Trump.
If no candidate receives 270 electoral votes, the House of Representatives will pick the president. Each state delegation gets one vote, regardless of the number of congressional districts it has. 26 votes, representing a majority of the states, are required to win.
This in mind, it is useful to look at what party will control each state's congressional delegation in January, 2017. This is how it looks right now.