Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[MirnaMinkoff]

I'm not sure why they don't just take the drugs/spinal. Why even go through it all if you don't have to? It's madness.

Every sane woman I have ever discussed the subject with (including nurses and doctors) are epidurals 100%. If someone is that worried and fearful about the pain then epidurals are the answer.

And well past the middle of the last century, women were knocked out for birth. My grandmother had 4 children (oldest born in 1960) and was only conscious for the birth of the last one (in 1971).

Carrie Fisher had a joke in her "Wishful Drinking" set that she's always craved attention because the moment she entered the world, she was ignored. The nurses sedated her mother & they were like "Oh, look Debbie Reynolds, the beautiful movie star! She looks like a sleeping princess!" Eddie Fisher comes in, passes out, and everyone is like "Oh, look, Mildred! Eddie Fisher, the crooner! Passed out in the middle of the delivery room!"

And as you said, pain, whether it be physical or emotional, is apart of the human experience. By trying to prevent or avoid that pain, I feel like you lose a bit of the sweetness of the reward in the end, if that makes sense.

I'm running on 2 hours of sleep, so it may not.

Things you work and suffer for feel far more valuable. We are wired to value things that took effort, pain and hard work.

Twilight births were very common in the USA up until the 1960’s, depending on where you lived and your income level. During the same era my middle class city grandma had twilight births for all her children. My respectable country grandma had all her babies at home with no drugs whatsoever. (Slapping a baby on the ass is a trope from twilight births because the babies were in a drugged stupor when delivered.)

In some ways c-sections have taken the place of the twilight birth option. My friend that works at OBGYN practice says women fearful of birth regularly request c-sections. Some doctors are fine with requested c-sections, others are not. The UK tabs call it “too posh to push“ lol. It’s strange, the celebrity set seemed to go from requesting scheduled c-sections to (at least pretending) to be au natural earth goddess types in the media.

Mathew McConaughey and his wife are a funny example. The dude had bongos, tribal music, all the trippy woo shit imaginable, like he was DJing some epic birth rave. The wife went along with it at first, until the labor progressed and decided fuck the mind over matter earth goddess shit Matt had envisioned. They ended up at the hospital, requesting an epidural and then she had a c-section.

I can at least respect the McConaughey’s honesty about it, unlike other celebrities. The ones who use surrogates but try to pretend they were pregnant (Janet Jackson) and post 45 year old actresses who get pregnant and try to pretend it’s totally natural when in fact the child was created via IVF and isn’t biologically related to them at all irritate me the most. (Janet Jackson again, but lots and lots of others too. Older celebrities buying donor eggs to get pregnant is why you see so many over 42 having babies. They also lie about their ages to try and make it seem more believable.)

 

[Rescuetoast]

Some people do have bad experiences or bad side effects from the epidural and choose not to get it in the future, which is a reason that makes sense to me.

 

[cuddle striker]

Of course she's taken the kid off pain medication Of course.

 

[Allo Vera]

Of course she's taken the kid off pain medication Of course.

Yeah, her disdain for pharmaceuticals is pretty obvious. Ironic that her “all natural” schtick doesn’t extend to shunt and feeding tube surgeries.

 

[MiniMuffin]

Paisley’s parents dragged her (an extremely medically fragile, ventilator dependent 13-month-old, during a pandemic) to church to meet the pastor and give a “testimony” before the congregation. No masks anywhere.



In the accompanying video her dad claimed Paisley was “healthy, doing good” and “amazes doctors every day”. While Paisley hung there stiffly in her mom’s arms, staring at the ceiling with her huge head. She is 10 pounds at 13 months old.

[EDIT] And also one of their followers called them out for using their daughter to get money and lying about her progress or lack thereof.

 

[Miss Misery]

Paisley’s parents dragged her (an extremely medically fragile, ventilator dependent 13-month-old, during a pandemic) to church to meet the pastor and give a “testimony” before the congregation. No masks anywhere.

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In the accompanying video her dad claimed Paisley was “healthy, doing good” and “amazes doctors every day”. While Paisley hung there stiffly in her mom’s arms, staring at the ceiling with her huge head. She is 10 pounds at 13 months old.

You can't testify with a mask on! /sneed

 

[booklover]

holy shit, that foot drop. it's atrophy of the tendons, when the foot and calf are never used. this is pretty extreme.

She probably thinks Luna will be a ballerina, with those feet.

Every sane woman I have ever discussed the subject with (including nurses and doctors) are epidurals 100%. If someone is that worried and fearful about the pain then epidurals are the answer.

Things you work and suffer for feel far more valuable. We are wired to value things that took effort, pain and hard work.

Twilight births were very common in the USA up until the 1960’s, depending on where you lived and your income level. During the same era my middle class city grandma had twilight births for all her children. My respectable country grandma had all her babies at home with no drugs whatsoever. (Slapping a baby on the ass is a trope from twilight births because the babies were in a drugged stupor when delivered.)

In some ways c-sections have taken the place of the twilight birth option. My friend that works at OBGYN practice says women fearful of birth regularly request c-sections. Some doctors are fine with requested c-sections, others are not. The UK tabs call it “too posh to push“ lol. It’s strange, the celebrity set seemed to go from requesting scheduled c-sections to (at least pretending) to be au natural earth goddess types in the media.

I've been told many times by women who know what they are talking about that no sane woman would choose to have a baby by c-section, because the recovery is so rough. I did see variations of twilight birth used at the hospital where I used to work if the baby was going to be stillborn, or placed for adoption, if the mother wanted it. In many cases, drugging a woman back then was not her choice, either; that's just the way things were done, and they didn't question it.

When I was a tween in sex education in the late 1970s, our teacher said that the reason movie stars had so many c-sections at the time was because they believed that a vaginal birth would ruin their figures. IDK if that's true; I suppose they could do a tummy tuck at the same time if they wanted it.

 

[Allo Vera]

I've been told many times by women who know what they are talking about that no sane woman would choose to have a baby by c-section, because the recovery is so rough.

It’s really not that bad. I mean recovery from any sort of abdominal surgery is rough for the first few days, but it was a small price to pay to avoid the hours of excruciating labour and then shoving a baby out of the hoo ha. Elective sections are great. The emergency ones are worse because you have to endure the labour AND the abdominal surgery.

This idea that caesareans are horrific is just a myth thrown around to stop women asking for them.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

One of the reasons to avoid a C-section is if you want a bunch of kids, because you can only have so many of them.

How did home birth cause the hydrocephalus?

My grandmother’s brother had hydrocephalus. Her father was an assistant professor at UIUC, but it was 1912 and it didn’t matter how much money you had, and he died. It really makes me mad that medicine had improved so much within even two generations that conditions that previously would’ve killed now don’t and yet these crunchy parents keep on crunching.

I also remember reading an obituary of a distant relation and it noted he was the last one born on the family homestead, also in 1912. I realize that in the 19th century women died of childbed fever because doctors didn’t wash their hands, but by the 20th century women absolutely wanted to give birth in hospitals.

 

[MysticMisty]

How did home birth cause the hydrocephalus?

She was in labor for too long and that caused oxygen deprivation. Luna also had the cord wrapped around her neck, but basically if she was in a hospital and had evil interventions she would've given birth a lot sooner, and the chances of Luna suffering an extreme brain injury like this would've been much, much lower. The doctors have ruled out genetic cause, or any other issue during development, meaning the injury occurred during the birth itself.

 

[Free the Pedos]

It’s really not that bad. I mean recovery from any sort of abdominal surgery is rough for the first few days, but it was a small price to pay to avoid the hours of excruciating labour and then shoving a baby out of the hoo ha. Elective sections are great. The emergency ones are worse because you have to endure the labour AND the abdominal surgery.

This idea that caesareans are horrific is just a myth thrown around to stop women asking for them.

You can avoid abdominal surgery and excruciating pain by opting for the epidural, though. (Disclaimer: I don’t really care how other people give birth as long as they’re not risking their kid’s life like the idiot parents featured here.)

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

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It’s really not that bad. I mean recovery from any sort of abdominal surgery is rough for the first few days, but it was a small price to pay to avoid the hours of excruciating labour and then shoving a baby out of the hoo ha. Elective sections are great. The emergency ones are worse because you have to endure the labour AND the abdominal surgery.

This idea that caesareans are horrific is just a myth thrown around to stop women asking for them.

There are very good reasons to avoid them, or any surgery, if it isn’t medically necessary. People constantly accuse doctors of pressuring/forcing women to have c-sections because they are convenient and pay more, so it’s funny to hear someone say they are trying to make women stop demanding them.

If a woman has other small children she can’t care for them for them by herself for weeks after a c-section and that’s a major problem for some women. You’re up and walking within an hour or two of natural childbirth and theres no problem lifting 30 lbs days later. Recovery time is a big factor in why many women want to avoid c-sections, along with their being a limit to how many you can safely have them.

I assume that’s limiting factor is why there’s that weird “VBAC” movement because I’ve never understood why women were demanding vaginal births after a c-section delivery due to the risks. Most doctors insist on c-section deliveries after one has been been performed but these VBAC women try to demand otherwise.

I've been told many times by women who know what they are talking about that no sane woman would choose to have a baby by c-section, because the recovery is so rough. I did see variations of twilight birth used at the hospital where I used to work if the baby was going to be stillborn, or placed for adoption, if the mother wanted it. In many cases, drugging a woman back then was not her choice, either; that's just the way things were done, and they didn't question it.

When I was a tween in sex education in the late 1970s, our teacher said that the reason movie stars had so many c-sections at the time was because they believed that a vaginal birth would ruin their figures. IDK if that's true; I suppose they could do a tummy tuck at the same time if they wanted it.

Most women I know who have had both natural and c-section deliveries preferred their natural birth just due to the pain and recovery time involved in c-section. Kind of a band-aid ripped off quick or slow thing.

You are right about a tummy tuck being done along with a c-section for celebrities decades ago - very common. It’s strongly advised but against, but plenty did it and maybe still do. C-sections can make it harder to “keep a figure” because it cuts muscle that helps keep a firm abdomen but a tummy tuck solves that problem by taking off unsightly belly bulge.

After the shady shit I’ve seen in the plastic surgery thread I’m pretty sure there are doctors that would do a c-section, tummy tuck, boob job and face-lift all at the same time if you had the cash.

 

[katrizia]

Why must they relentlessly torment this child?!

 

[Miss Misery]

Why must they relentlessly torment this child?!

Any desperate attempt to provoke a reaction from Luna to prove that she's a real baby rather than a brain-dead potato?

 

[Allo Vera]

You can avoid abdominal surgery and excruciating pain by opting for the epidural, though. (Disclaimer: I don’t really care how other people give birth as long as they’re not risking their kid’s life like the idiot parents featured here.)

Epidurals actually increase the risk of emergency caesarean/instrumental delivery, due to the mother being numb/stuck in the lithotomy position, which can inhibit effective pushing.

Epidurals aren’t all that anyway, I’ve had two and both times they gave me the shakes for hours.

People constantly accuse doctors of pressuring/forcing women to have c-sections because they are convenient and pay more, so it’s funny to hear someone say they are trying to make women stop demanding them.

I’m in the UK. Our health service is all about saving money (at the expense of the patient some of the time), rather than generating money.

 

[cuddle striker]

Any desperate attempt to provoke a reaction from Luna to prove that she's a real baby rather than a brain-dead potato?

more like torture. no pain medication and being propped up and trotted around with no way to indicate if something hurts.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Epidurals actually increase the risk of emergency caesarean/instrumental delivery, due to the mother being numb/stuck in the lithotomy position, which can inhibit effective pushing.

Epidurals aren’t all that anyway, I’ve had two and both times they gave me the shakes for hours.



I’m in the UK. Our health service is all about saving money (at the expense of the patient some of the time), rather than generating money.

Spoiler

Sounds like you had a anesthesiologist who ramped up the dose too fast or you had a reaction to the meds.

Here in the USA women think doctors try to pressure them to have c-sections against their wishes. Doctors liked them because they are more convenient, they can bill more and avoid birth injury lawsuits. In the 1990’s the amount of lawsuits made doctors opt for c-sections a lot because it lessened the risk of any type of birth injury, just cut that sucker out stat. The rate of them skyrocketed.

One of the big reasons for “natural birth” madness here was the massive increase in c-sections in the 1990’s and women felt “robbed” of their “birth experience.” Part of it was the stupidity of worrying more about mother’s feelings of accomplishment instead actual important things but there was also a ton of unnecessary c-sections being done just for convenience sake of the doctor and his liability insurance premiums.

With the big increase in prenatal testing, monitoring capabilities during L&D and people preferring to have a vaginal delivery if at all possible you now have fewer c-sections than 20 years ago. A relative of mine was even allowed to deliver twins naturally five years ago, twins used to be an automatic c-section delivery.

The one area where c-sections rates are still really high in the USA is among poorer women covered via Medicaid (our govt healthcare program for ppl below the poverty line). It’s partly greed (doctors can bill more for c-sections) and because many Medicaid patients tend to be more high risk (drugs, obesity, lifestyle, age, not having adequate prenatal care, etc...)

more like torture. no pain medication and being propped up and trotted around with no way to indicate if something hurts.

It’s ironic since she claims to be “empathetic” and yet behaves more like a sadist.

(Beware if anyone who calls themself a “empath” that usually means they are BPD. If someone has to tell you how empathetic they are, they aren’t at all.)

Shoving a pickle in Luna’s mouth is just awful, but she’s doing it because crazy mom likes pickles so ofc her tube fed brain damaged daughter must too! But let’s say by some weird chance Luna liked super salty dill flavors. If so then she’s just been taunted with food she cannot eat. Every way you slice it this woman is just adding to Luna’s misery, but if YT viewers can easily see Luna’s disgust at having pickle juice shoved in her mouth you’d think Ms Empath Supreme would too.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Why must they relentlessly torment this child?!

This may be an outreach service doing a test no the mother. Aversive taste is used to assess awareness or this could be a speech pathologist doing a sensory test. Seems odd that the mother would be wearing gloves and using that type of "spoon" and have easy access to Rifton type sitter.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

This may be an outreach service doing a test no the mother. Aversive taste is used to assess awareness or this could be a speech pathologist doing a sensory test. Seems odd that the mother would be wearing gloves and using that type of "spoon" and have easy access to Rifton type sitter.

It’s the mothers arm - because her ever present Apple Watch is there and it’s definitely in their house given the brick fireplace. I’m going to guess Medicaid would provide the rifton sitter given Luna’s head. Maybe she was shoving a pickle in her mouth yesterday because she knew they would be doing similar sensory testing soon? The gloves and special spoon certainly make it seem like some sort of therapist may be there overseeing this.

Why though? Why are they testing taste sensory shit on a baby with a g-tube? A child that has a terminal condition and is never going to eat food orally? All this unnecessary torment because the mother thinks her baby’s birth injury and cyst filled brain will be cured with organic food and crystals.

 

[Dwarf troll]

Paisley’s parents dragged her (an extremely medically fragile, ventilator dependent 13-month-old, during a pandemic) to church to meet the pastor and give a “testimony” before the congregation. No masks anywhere.

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In the accompanying video her dad claimed Paisley was “healthy, doing good” and “amazes doctors every day”. While Paisley hung there stiffly in her mom’s arms, staring at the ceiling with her huge head. She is 10 pounds at 13 months old.

[EDIT] And also one of their followers called them out for using their daughter to get money and lying about her progress or lack thereof.

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Looks like she is holding a doll