Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[PotatoSalad4711]

There is a huge industry in buying viable eggs/ovum from younger women. It’s quite a dark industry because unlike sperm it’s quite an ordeal to harvest them. Young women are paid about $10k to be pumped full of hormones so that they produce dozens of eggs at one time to be surgically harvested. Those eggs are then fertilized, embryos created and frozen for use in IVF - aka implanted into another woman.

It’s a shady industry in the USA but it’s even worse in Eastern Europe. There’s plenty of ppl who buy the egg, sperm and then hire a surrogate to carry the embryo. When Covid caused travel shutdowns there were hundreds of such babies stuck in Eastern Europe being cared for by nurses in hotels because the surrogates hathem, left, and the parents who paid for them in the UK or USA couldn’t come get them.

Anytime you read about a wealthy woman over 42 having a baby it’s 95 % chance it’s using some other woman’s eggs. It gives false impression to women that they can totally wait until their mid-40’s to get pregnant. I mean you can but you better be rich and not care if the children have no genetic relation to you.


JJ was absolutely not pregnant. The fact that she tried to pretend she was naturally pregnant at 50 was so fucking absurd. She’s really trying to surpass her brother in the bizarre.

Spoiler

She married a gay Arab man, bought some woman’s eggs, had them fertilized (probably with gay husband’s sperm) had a surrogate carry the baby, but released an absurdly bad photo of herself with a fake pregnancy belly to the media. (Google Janet Jackson pregnant for anyone that wants a laugh) Within two weeks of the baby being born in the UAE she files from divorce from hubby and they began a nasty divorce and custody battle.

I’m still trying to figure out what her game plan was. Did she think she could extort the husband for a lot of money via a custody battle? I’m assuming that he at least is biologically related to the baby because I can’t imagine he would have done this otherwise. He’s a gay man, but from a wealthy Muslim family, so he needed a beard and male heir. Janet going along with the charade made for a weird way to try and sell his heterosexuality, but at least he didn’t actually have to have sex with a icky woman to sire a son.

It seems Wassan (husband) won’t reveal she faked a pregnancy as long as she doesn’t reveal he’s a flaming homo. I don’t know if Janet has any real interest in the baby other than as way to get a big payday from a rich Arab. It’s all so fucking weird. Her and MJ obviously didn’t want their kids to have any Jackson genetics.

I don’t mean to go on about it but the whole thing was so wildly bizarre I couldn’t believe there was so little in the media about it. The media even played along with the hilariously bad pregnancy photos she released, when poor Beyoncé (a woman in prime child bearing years) was hounded for years for one talk show appearance that seemed suspect when she was pregnant. But the media was silent about 50 year old Janet in a terrible, obvious photoshop wearing a bad prop belly.

I just wanted to add that when you see all these celebrities with twins, it’s probably because of IVF. All this “100% natural conception” is utter BS.

Reading about Luna reminded me of something. A few years back there was this woonatic who tried to have a home birth, was in labor for days, and the baby died. What’s so horrific about that case is that she was a member of one of those natural birth/doctors are evil type Facebook groups and was actively asking questions throughout her labor. Even when things got bad people in the group encouraged her saying “that’s normal” (it wasn’t) and “don’t call an ambulance” (she should have). I believe the lady almost died as well, and the owner of the FB group got into some trouble. It was a very hard thing to read, but I guess the baby dying was better than ending up like Luna.

 

[booklover]

The health insurance cost for my employer increased because we had one employee who had an actual million dollar baby. The had an unexpected premature birth and then an extended stay in the NICU. The health insurance company cited it specifically as to why our rates went up.

Your company must have been self-insured; in other words, they pay into a fund which is administered by a third party.

Really huge bills are often covered by reinsurers, which is insurance for insurance companies.

if abortion was covered and some kind of "one month aftercare" payment was given, I don't think we'd have hardly any potato babies at all.

I disagreed, because a lot of these children have disorders that can't be identified before birth (in some cases, they can, but you have to be looking for them) and they are like the girl who fell off the golf cart and became disabled AFTER birth.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Man, pro life people need to come read this thread. They think all kids with disabilities have mild Down Syndrome.

If some Catholic mother in 1550, or 1850, or 1950, had one of those horrible deformed anencephalic babies, do you think she would’ve thought it was a beautiful gift from God? No. One of the things that turned the tide on abortion laws in the US was the rubella epidemic of the early 60s, which affected not only the poor and disadvantaged but the middle class as well, and women who couldn’t get abortions and had severely disabled babies went to court. And this was when you could shove your potato in an institution.

I think if we had a similar disease strike now, a lot of people would be changing their minds on abortion.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Man, pro life people need to come read this thread. They think all kids with disabilities have mild Down Syndrome.

If some Catholic mother in 1550, or 1850, or 1950, had one of those horrible deformed anencephalic babies, do you think she would’ve thought it was a beautiful gift from God? No. One of the things that turned the tide on abortion laws in the US was the rubella epidemic of the early 60s, which affected not only the poor and disadvantaged but the middle class as well, and women who couldn’t get abortions and had severely disabled babies went to court. And this was when you could shove your potato in an institution.

I think if we had a similar disease strike now, a lot of people would be changing their minds on abortion.

The rubella births led to “wrongful birth” lawsuits which was part of the precedent underpinning Roe v Wade. Oddly enough “wrongful birth” suits have now been brought thanks to shady practices in the IVF/fertility industries.

However it is thought a more accurate term needs to be found to describe for the current crop of “wrongful birth” lawsuits and new precedent set for this new sticky situation. They’ve been used when the wrong sperm has been used, when sperm donor was misrepresented, when the wrong embryos were implanted, etc... Many of them have been dismissed because under the precedent as long as the child is healthy the case has no standing under “wrongful birth”

 

[MysticMisty]

See over here we call that 'over capacity' and the media routinely bite at the government because at peak times there are beds in A&E department corridors. Trump loves to point at the NHS and say "Look! Look at how BAD universal healthcare is, they're protesting!" What he doesn't get is that we're so bloody spoiled with healthcare over here that we'll get shitty and scream about the pettiest little things. I know it's just because I'm British and have never had to worry about it but, like, last year I cut my hand in my garage and the wound went a bit gooey. I went to my doctor, I got given some antibiotics which I took and it went away. I paid £9.20 for the drugs. That was it. I can't imagine being on the hook for thousands of dollars over something so trivial.

Insurance companies don't like to have more generous plans because it'd cut into their massive profits (and the people up top are filthy sticking rich from it). And Republicans hate the idea of universal health care because of higher taxes (mainly from filthy rich people that pay far, far lower percentages than poor people because of greed, like with insurance companies), and because they feel certain people don't deserve "free" (taxpayer) aid. Until they have a major accident or get cancer (or some other major illness [like Corona]). Then they rush to GoFundMe and sob for free gibs from other Republicans, that they then get, because "it's different".

Man, pro life people need to come read this thread. They think all kids with disabilities have mild Down Syndrome.

Mild Down Syndrome with zero behavior problems. It's a dirty secret of the cognitive disability community about how bad the behavior problems are, even with small kids. And of course they're immediately ready to shame every parent who puts their kids (or adult children) in group homes because they can't handle it anymore, to silence their struggle at how bad it can get. A normal two year-old that screams and cries because you told them no cookies is embarrassing. A severely disabled twenty year-old that puts their fist through a window because you told them no cookies is downright dangerous. And that's not even getting into things like 1:2 staffing because they'll eat rocks or forks in a instant otherwise. Or run and start hitting people and smashing shit because they like hurting others and other's property.

Edit: And that's not even getting into all the serious health problems Down Syndrome individuals have because a chromosomal disorder fucks up the entire body, not just the brain. Fucks sake, there's a very specific appearance to DS because the extra chromosome fucks up the entire body.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Insurance companies don't like to have more generous plans because it'd cut into their massive profits (and the people up top are filthy sticking rich from it). And Republicans hate the idea of universal health care because of higher taxes (mainly from filthy rich people that pay far, far lower percentages than poor people because of greed, like with insurance companies), and because they feel certain people don't deserve "free" (taxpayer) aid. Until they have a major accident or get cancer (or some other major illness [like Corona]). Then they rush to GoFundMe and sob for free gibs from other Republicans, that they then get, because "it's different".

Oh trust me I'm very aware of why the American system is fucked. Any country where drug companies are allowed to advertise prescription drugs on TV has issues. The NHS wherever possible uses generic drugs which cost basically nothing. Where they do have to use branded drugs, they suck up the cost. Leading this round to potato babies though, NHS spending on them doesn't account for a lot, like 1.1 billion nationwide out of a PA budget of 115 billion That's including short stay NICU for premature babies or those with complex births that then recover. The NHS is also less inclined to allow parents to perpetually prolong the life of a child where no hope exists, particularly where there's suffering involved. We often get cases brought to the High Court where the NHS are taking parents to court to compel them to withdraw life support because the NHS believe it's in the best interests of the child. These cases can, and do, result in the court giving consent where the parents refuse. There's no financial incentive for the doctors to prolong life, nor is there any incentive to withdraw treatment, the decision is made purely based on what a team of professionals deem to be in the best interests of the child taking into account the well being and mental state of the parents. The OP argument here seems to be that keeping them alive is a waste of money and resources yet in America you have a healthcare system which is set up to do precisely that for the enrichment of doctors and pharma companies. Here in the UK for example, Ventolin Inhalers for Asthma can be purchased for £13.99. Children are exempt from the prescription charge, as are a lot of adult asthmatics so from their GP, they're free, for life. In the US the same inhaler will cost you $69, minimum. The only difference is that in the UK they're generic rather than being whatever drug brand took the doctor to the nicest golf resort and bought him the cleanest hooker. In the US the hospitals WANT you to have as many treatments as possible, because they cost money and in a profit led organisation you cease to be a patient and become a customer. The parents of these babies are characterized as selfish or deluded, but they're in an environment where doctors are driven partly by how much money they can extract from an insurance company or private individual before that cash dries up. It's easy to blame the parents, but in a country where that brain dead, bug eyed lump of flesh is an easy squeeze cash cow, why exactly would ANY doctor feel the need to encourage the parents to do the right thing?

 

[JackDonaghysSecretLover]

I just wanted to add that when you see all these celebrities with twins, it’s probably because of IVF. All this “100% natural conception” is utter BS.

Reading about Luna reminded me of something. A few years back there was this woonatic who tried to have a home birth, was in labor for days, and the baby died. What’s so horrific about that case is that she was a member of one of those natural birth/doctors are evil type Facebook groups and was actively asking questions throughout her labor. Even when things got bad people in the group encouraged her saying “that’s normal” (it wasn’t) and “don’t call an ambulance” (she should have). I believe the lady almost died as well, and the owner of the FB group got into some trouble. It was a very hard thing to read, but I guess the baby dying was better than ending up like Luna.

The best post of that whole story is that when the baby died they announced it by quoting a line from Muppet Christmas Carol. A line that's not even in the original Christmas Carol!

 

[Cowpies]

The whole Luna thing reminds me of a chick from LiveJournal back in the day. She'd had 3 previous c-sections and was determined at all costs to have a homebirth. Her state didn't allow them so she moved her family to another state that did. Hubby lost his job and they burned through all their savings and ended up on welfare living in a place too small for them all.

She got her homebirth but the baby had brain damage because she refused to go to the hospital when complications started. This bitch would make posts like 'she's doing great, she only had six seizures today'! The worst thing was through the whole thing she had her little group of enablers giving her asspats. I think about that every time I read this thread.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Insurance companies don't like to have more generous plans because it'd cut into their massive profits (and the people up top are filthy sticking rich from it). And Republicans hate the idea of universal health care because of higher taxes (mainly from filthy rich people that pay far, far lower percentages than poor people because of greed, like with insurance companies), and because they feel certain people don't deserve "free" (taxpayer) aid. Until they have a major accident or get cancer (or some other major illness [like Corona]). Then they rush to GoFundMe and sob for free gibs from other Republicans, that they then get, because "it's different".


Mild Down Syndrome with zero behavior problems. It's a dirty secret of the cognitive disability community about how bad the behavior problems are, even with small kids. And of course they're immediately ready to shame every parent who puts their kids (or adult children) in group homes because they can't handle it anymore, to silence their struggle at how bad it can get. A normal two year-old that screams and cries because you told them no cookies is embarrassing. A severely disabled twenty year-old that puts their fist through a window because you told them no cookies is downright dangerous. And that's not even getting into things like 1:2 staffing because they'll eat rocks or forks in a instant otherwise. Or run and start hitting people and smashing shit because they like hurting others and other's property.

Edit: And that's not even getting into all the serious health problems Down Syndrome individuals have because a chromosomal disorder fucks up the entire body, not just the brain. Fucks sake, there's a very specific appearance to DS because the extra chromosome fucks up the entire body.

I’ve noticed years ago on pregnancy forums there was a separate section for women who had prenatal testing that revealed DS. The board offered “no judgment” support but the fact the rest of the section was for women raising DS kids sort showed that to be BS. (But I did notice plenty of women who only posted a few times before quietly leaving and probably chose to terminate)

What I did notice is most posts dropped off after the DS children aged beyond 3. Lots of “cute” baby photos but very little about raising children, adolescences and adults with DS which given the baby years are like three and the child/adult years are decades it seemed very misleading.

I think working in a group home for DS teens and adults for a week or two would be the best way to truly show parents what to expect.

One of the most depressing things is anytime a story is published about some new program or facility for disabled adults, literally hundreds of comments from desperate parents or adult siblings pour in asking for help or guidance - usually with sad personal stories about what they are struggling to deal with at home and the toll it is taking on everyone.

There is far too much emphasis put on the immediate future (relatively easy baby/toddler years) and very little on the long term issues that will face parents if they chose to carry a disabled child to term. (ETA: I’m speaking of severe cognitive disabilities only.)

The whole Luna thing reminds me of a chick from LiveJournal back in the day. She'd had 3 previous c-sections and was determined at all costs to have a homebirth. Her state didn't allow them so she moved her family to another state that did. Hubby lost his job and they burned through all their savings and ended up on welfare living in a place too small for them all.

She got her homebirth but the baby had brain damage because she refused to go to the hospital when complications started. This bitch would make posts like 'she's doing great, she only had six seizures today'! The worst thing was through the whole thing she had her little group of enablers giving her asspats. I think about that every time I read this thread.

Got a link or screen name?

 

[Cowpies]

Got a link or screen name?

I don't, sorry. It was at least 10 years ago.

 

[AnOminous]

There is far too much emphasis put on the immediate future (relatively easy baby/toddler years) and very little on the long term issues that will face parents if they chose to carry a disabled child to term.

Never mind the vast negative impact on the other kids, if they exist. If parents want to raise a retard that's one thing, but inflicting that on other children needlessly is irresponsible.

 

[Freya]

Man, pro life people need to come read this thread. They think all kids with disabilities have mild Down Syndrome.

If some Catholic mother in 1550, or 1850, or 1950, had one of those horrible deformed anencephalic babies, do you think she would’ve thought it was a beautiful gift from God? No. One of the things that turned the tide on abortion laws in the US was the rubella epidemic of the early 60s, which affected not only the poor and disadvantaged but the middle class as well, and women who couldn’t get abortions and had severely disabled babies went to court. And this was when you could shove your potato in an institution.

I think if we had a similar disease strike now, a lot of people would be changing their minds on abortion.

Nobody cares, but I just want to say reading this thread made me pro choice

 

[booklover]

Women do have a finite number of eggs, but they undergo a sort of preparation process when they leave the ovary. If I remember correctly, as they make their way down the Fallopian tube it divides twice, but unevenly; one cell is bigger than the other both times. This is the egg that's ready for fertilization after arrival in the uterus. But I'm not a biology expert and can be very wrong about this, and if I am I apologize. But it's something like this, and these are the eggs that are either fertilized normally, or harvested for IFV.

You are correct regarding meiosis (the division of gametes - eggs or sperm); sperm cells divide twice and become full-fledged sperms (LOL) whereas eggs do divide twice but 3 of the cells are polar bodies, which could best be described as incomplete eggs. Rarely, a polar body will be fertilized, and the result is a molar pregnancy, which is an abnormal placenta with no fetus, and about 10% of them are cancerous.

I’ve noticed years ago on pregnancy forums there was a separate section for women who had prenatal testing that revealed DS. The board offered “no judgment” support but the fact the rest of the section was for women raising DS kids sort showed that to be BS. (But I did notice plenty of women who only posted a few times before quietly leaving and probably chose to terminate)

What I did notice is most posts dropped off after the DS children aged beyond 3. Lots of “cute” baby photos but very little about raising children, adolescences and adults with DS which given the baby years are like three and the child/adult years are decades it seemed very misleading.

I think working in a group home for DS teens and adults for a week or two would be the best way to truly show parents what to expect.

One of the most depressing things is anytime a story is published about some new program or facility for disabled adults, literally hundreds of comments from desperate parents or adult siblings pour in asking for help or guidance - usually with sad personal stories about what they are struggling to deal with at home and the toll it is taking on everyone.

There is far too much emphasis put on the immediate future (relatively easy baby/toddler years) and very little on the long term issues that will face parents if they chose to carry a disabled child to term. (ETA: I’m speaking of severe cognitive disabilities only.)


Got a link or screen name?

People whose last child is over the age of 3 probably aren't going to be posting on pregnancy forums, which is probably why the posts dropped off drastically.

The lady I know whose 30-ish-year-old son has DS, and is very high functioning, is a member of Gigi's Playhouse, which has a local chapter, and I referred someone on another board to that wonderful organization. Like I've said earlier in this thread, they didn't know he was disabled until he was born, and she said that if they had their lives to live over again, they would still have had him, and had him exactly the way he is. That's definitely love!

https://gigisplayhouse.org/

I have read that in recent years, the number of DS children born in Iceland in recent years is almost zero, which makes me wonder if there's some kind of eugenics program going on. I can't imagine ALL of the babies with this condition being voluntarily aborted, regardless of the parents' religious beliefs, etc.!

These are decisions that only the parents can make, and it's nobody else's business.

p.s. I'd take a child with DS over a child with schizophrenia or addiction issues any day of the week, and those don't show up for decades.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

People whose last child is over the age of 3 probably aren't going to be posting on pregnancy forums, which is probably why the posts dropped off drastically.

The lady I know whose 30-ish-year-old son has DS, and is very high functioning, is a member of Gigi's Playhouse, which has a local chapter, and I referred someone on another board to that wonderful organization. Like I've said earlier in this thread, they didn't know he was disabled until he was born, and she said that if they had their lives to live over again, they would still have had him, and had him exactly the way he is. That's definitely love!

https://gigisplayhouse.org/

I have read that in recent years, the number of DS children born in Iceland in recent years is almost zero, which makes me wonder if there's some kind of eugenics program going on. I can't imagine ALL of the babies with this condition being voluntarily aborted, regardless of the parents' religious beliefs, etc.!

These are decisions that only the parents can make, and it's nobody else's business.

p.s. I'd take a child with DS over a child with schizophrenia or addiction issues any day of the week, and those don't show up for decades.

You’d rather have a dependent retarded adult child that never has a chance of being independent, rather than an intelligent one with a difficult condition or behaviors that does have the ability to be independent, and even successful with treatment ? Huh?

You realize that’s entirely based on what you perceive as easier for you instead of what’s best for another human. Dumb and easy to control vs intelligent and difficult to control. It’s is an ok mentality for a pet owner but not a parent. You could just lobotomize an adult addict or schizophrenic to achieve your desired result I suppose.

Nobody is forcing parents in Iceland to abort DS children via some secret pseudo-eugenics program. Some people don’t want to raise a child that will never be capable of independence IF given a choice in the matter. Hawaii also has something close to a 95% rate of selective abortions for DS diagnoses. It seems to correlate with how religious a population tends to be, societal views on abortion/retardation, education levels and availability of prenatal testing.

Abortion doesn’t have a stigma in many countries, but retardation does. I’ve known several people rather shocked when they encountered retarded people out in communities when visiting the USA. There is a much greater stigma with intellectual disabilities than abortion in many countries, so high rates of selective abortion for DS makes perfect sense in those places. (Most Asian countries for example.)

 

[GenociderSyo]

Man, pro life people need to come read this thread. They think all kids with disabilities have mild Down Syndrome.

If some Catholic mother in 1550, or 1850, or 1950, had one of those horrible deformed anencephalic babies, do you think she would’ve thought it was a beautiful gift from God? No. One of the things that turned the tide on abortion laws in the US was the rubella epidemic of the early 60s, which affected not only the poor and disadvantaged but the middle class as well, and women who couldn’t get abortions and had severely disabled babies went to court. And this was when you could shove your potato in an institution.

I think if we had a similar disease strike now, a lot of people would be changing their minds on abortion.

In some centuries a birth like that would lead to death of the parents and/or child, hell even the entire family. due to belief it was black magic, sorcery, adultery, etc.

Edit: And that's not even getting into all the serious health problems Down Syndrome individuals have because a chromosomal disorder fucks up the entire body, not just the brain. Fucks sake, there's a very specific appearance to DS because the extra chromosome fucks up the entire body.

People forget that it wasnt too long ago that the life expectancy for DS was 35 years due to the majority of them having a heart issue that was untreatable without newer medical technology we have now.

 

[booklover]

I’ve known several people rather shocked when they encountered retarded people out in communities when visiting the USA. There is a much greater stigma with intellectual disabilities than abortion in many countries, so high rates of selective abortion for DS makes perfect sense in those places. (Most Asian countries for example.)

And conversely, I have known people who visited other countries (Japan is the first that comes to mind) that are technologically advanced, but you don't see disabled people out in public - period. You don't see people who are blind, in wheelchairs, have DS, etc. whether they were born that way or not. They have to be somewhere; are they just, sort of, like, put away? Public places aren't handicapped-accessible in these areas, because they don't have to be.

A while back, I saw a program on "20/20" or something like that about a plastic surgeon who did facial surgery on people with DS to make them "look normal." Sorry, but they WEREN'T normal, and truthfully, they now looked retarded - that's the only way I could describe them. I do remember that one of the families was Hispanic, and cultural issues likely played a role in doing that surgery. Now, this is NOT about a person with DS who really does have something wrong with their face. I've personally seen people with DS whose tongue was oversized, so they drooled all the time and probably had difficulties with breathing and eating. By all means, fix that! It would drastically improve their quality of life, and make it easier to care for them.

 

[Android raptor]

Yeah as much as the US sucks with disabled people it's much better than other places around the world.

Since RGB bit it I wonder if we'll see an increase in tater births? The A&H prolifer regulars are grave dancing as expected, but if Roe gets overturned I can only imagine the amount of taters being born will skyrocket since even less people will be able to abort them (not to mention I can see taters being born as a result of women trying and failing to induce miscarriages). Can't imagine the A&H crowd would be too thrilled about their tax money bring used to care for even more spuds than they do already.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

You’d rather have a dependent retarded adult child that never has a chance of being independent, rather than an intelligent one with a difficult condition or behaviors that does have the ability to be independent, and even successful with treatment ? Huh?

You realize that’s entirely based on what you perceive as easier for you instead of what’s best for another human. Dumb and easy to control vs intelligent and difficult to control. It’s is an ok mentality for a pet owner but not a parent. You could just lobotomize an adult addict or schizophrenic to achieve your desired result I suppose.

Nobody is forcing parents in Iceland to abort DS children via some secret pseudo-eugenics program. Some people don’t want to raise a child that will never be capable of independence IF given a choice in the matter. Hawaii also has something close to a 95% rate of selective abortions for DS diagnoses. It seems to correlate with how religious a population tends to be, societal views on abortion/retardation, education levels and availability of prenatal testing.

Abortion doesn’t have a stigma in many countries, but retardation does. I’ve known several people rather shocked when they encountered retarded people out in communities when visiting the USA. There is a much greater stigma with intellectual disabilities than abortion in many countries, so high rates of selective abortion for DS makes perfect sense in those places. (Most Asian countries for example.)

This seems to make you a lot angrier than it needs to. 'I hate downies' is a heck of a hill to die on...

 

[Boson]

This seems to make you a lot angrier than it needs to. 'I hate downies' is a heck of a hill to die on...

So is “I hate mentally ill people”. So sorry for your need of control.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

A lot of DS kids and adults can contribute to society and live mostly independently, whereas some of these abominations will never even be able to do much more than shit themselves and stare blankly into the abyss.