2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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The farther back you go in pop culture and entertainment the more openly right-wing types you find, but they did not live in the same environment we do today, so it was safer for them to voice their opinions.

This is definitely true. If you look up a lot of old school actors and directors in Hollywood, many where vocal Republicans and supporters of people like Eisenhower. Some names which come to mind are Walt Disney, Clark Gable, Fred Astaire, Ethel Merman, or George C. Scott. It wasn't until around the 60's counterculture and anti-Nixon era when being conservative and famous was a career death sentence. Nowadays occasionally you'll find a famous conservative, but they're not always Republicans or even Trump supporters. Like, I know guys like Mickey Rourke and Bruce Willis are vocally conservative, but not supporters of Trump or even 2000's-era Bush politics.
 
Fascinating. If Maricopa is more like R+5 now, Trump could potentially increase his gap there and make up for Democratic gains elsewhere, especially since Republicans vote more than Democrats. I haven't heard about Florida so I'm going to check on that today.

Having thought about it, I'm going to wait and see what happens if Barrett gets nominated. She seems like a bad choice at first, but we could be wrong and if the Democrats flounder in their attack as badly as they did with Kavanaugh, that'll help Trump anyway, If Trump gets Barrett through regardless, it will be a boon to his chances no matter what since it makes it harder to pull of national voting fraud.
Here's the Florida info.

Florida is also going through a different Republican oriented realignment that other states are going through. The realignment with whites ended in 2016. This new realignment is with Venezuelans and other Central and South American Hispanic refugees breaking to Republicans due to their hatred of Communism. There is a new poll saying Miami Date is polling at 56 Biden - 38 Trump. This is a 9 point swing towards Trump in the largest city in Florida since 2016. This can mean 80k more Republican votes for Trump. Certain counties like Collier and Lee are going to turn out in ways never done before, because they did in 2018, causing DeSantis and Scott to make it over the finish line. Part of the reason that they got in was because in an election that was referendum on Trump, they kept with him, and won because of it.

For voter files in Florida, the registered electorate is D+2 and down significantly from previous years. If this hypothetical election with 180 million votes occurred, the electorate would be still less than D+2, maybe even. Independents are more conservative in Florida than the country as a whole. For Obama 08's 2.4% Florida win margin, the Democratic advantage in RV was 700k. In 2012, Obama carried Florida by less than 1% or about 70,000 votes and the RV advantage was 560k. In 2016's Trump victory margin was 1.2% and the voter registration advantage for Dems was 330k. The Dem RV advantage is even less now in 2020 at 267k, due to the Hispanic realignment. You can do the math at what this means for Florida.

The reason on the importance of meme enthusiasm: Registered voters could be D+2 filed and on election day be an R+3 electorate because Republicans vote at higher rates. And the enthusiasm gap is starting show in the polls (when they report it accurately).

For counties, Collier, Lee, Polk, Bay, and the Panhandle are extremely trending Republican. Hillsbourough is not a bellweather. DeSantis lost Pinellas and won the state, so it is not a bellweather either.

TLDR: Top quotes:
"Florida is more Republican then it has ever been in tracked party affiliation."
"If the electorate even swings back to be more Democratic than 2018, Trump can still win the state."
"At least Trump+2."
"Collier county was at 100% turnout by 11:30 in the afternoon in 2018."
"This year could make Bush v. Gore look like a joke."
 
Here's the Florida info.

Florida is also going through a different Republican oriented realignment that other states are going through. The realignment with whites ended in 2016. This new realignment is with Venezuelans and other Central and South American Hispanic refugees breaking to Republicans due to their hatred of Communism. There is a new poll saying Miami Date is polling at 56 Biden - 38 Trump. This is a 9 point swing towards Trump in the largest city in Florida since 2016. This can mean 80k more Republican votes for Trump. Certain counties like Collier and Lee are going to turn out in ways never done before, because they did in 2018, causing DeSantis and Scott to make it over the finish line. Part of the reason that they got in was because in an election that was referendum on Trump, they kept with him, and won because of it.

For voter files in Florida, the registered electorate is D+2 and down significantly from previous years. If this hypothetical election with 180 million votes occurred, the electorate would be still less than D+2, maybe even. Independents are more conservative in Florida than the country as a whole. For Obama 08's 2.4% Florida win margin, the Democratic advantage in RV was 700k. In 2012, Obama carried Florida by less than 1% or about 70,000 votes and the RV advantage was 560k. In 2016's Trump victory margin was 1.2% and the voter registration advantage for Dems was 330k. The Dem RV advantage is even less now in 2020 at 267k, due to the Hispanic realignment. You can do the math at what this means for Florida.

The reason on the importance of meme enthusiasm: Registered voters could be D+2 filed and on election day be an R+3 electorate because Republicans vote at higher rates. And the enthusiasm gap is starting show in the polls (when they report it accurately).

For counties, Collier, Lee, Polk, Bay, and the Panhandle are extremely trending Republican. Hillsbourough is not a bellweather. DeSantis lost Pinellas and won the state, so it is not a bellweather either.

TLDR: Top quotes:
"Florida is more Republican then it has ever been in tracked party affiliation."
"If the electorate even swings back to be more Democratic than 2018, Trump can still win the state."
"At least Trump+2."
"Collier county was at 100% turnout by 11:30 in the afternoon in 2018."
"This year could make Bush v. Gore look like a joke."
also on the Florida front it's probably worth pointing out that multiple state officials want investigations into something to nail Bloomberg for with that "pay off felons' restitution and fines so they can vote" bullshit, but it's also been observed that
a) A Florida Felon may still not be a Big Government type of person
b) A Florida Felon may still not be a voting type of person
 
b) A Florida Felon may still not be a voting type of person

I think this is the obvious part dems are missing. If I were a criminal who needed my fee paid I'd sure as fuck take (((their))) money and then fuck off. The idea that all those black and latino excons are going to automatically register and vote is just dumb. But I hope to God they nail him on something. This is literally end of Roman Republic-tier bullshit the dems are trying to push through.
 
I think this is the obvious part dems are missing. If I were a criminal who needed my fee paid I'd sure as fuck take (((their))) money and then fuck off. The idea that all those black and latino excons are going to automatically register and vote is just dumb. But I hope to God they nail him on something. This is literally end of Roman Republic-tier bullshit the dems are trying to push through.
and there's plenty of good old fashioned white trash that make up the Florida Felon populace, too
if anything the idea that they're even trying this to begin with seems to add into the theory that there's MUCH more dismal polling for them internally to try such a hail mary pass level play
 
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"The thing that the electoral college is designed to protect us from wants to destroy the electoral college."

You don't say. I mean it's a poll, so I don't believe you, but even if it was true: Yeah, that's why we have the electoral college. But let me guess, let me go way out on a fucking limb and put all the faith in you people so I can hope beyond hope that you actually conducted a reasonable poll and didn't oversample--

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What America's Thinking? I don't want to know what America is thinking. America is thinking about cutting off its balls and stuffing a buttplug up its ass. I wouldn't visit Uncle Sam anymore...
 
if anything the idea that they're even trying this to begin with seems to add into the theory that there's MUCH more dismal polling for them internally to try such a hail mary pass level play

It also just makes me super mad, as a FL resident. Rich fucking (((people))) wiring money into my state to get criminals released from their debts to society pisses me off so much. It's digital carpetbagging. I think they're killing a lot of goodwill down here, at least among the people paying attention, but since their (((friends))) in the media and on twitter (none of them FL residents) are circlejerking each other about how amazing it is, they don't realize it. And the Jews always have to be involved. Fuck, some of my tribe just want us to be viewed as evil forever.

You can take your blood libel redemption from Bloomberg, I'm willing to give him up peacefully.
 
It also just makes me super mad, as a FL resident. Rich fucking (((people))) wiring money into my state to get criminals released from their debts to society pisses me off so much. It's digital carpetbagging. I think they're killing a lot of goodwill down here, at least among the people paying attention, but since their (((friends))) in the media and on twitter (none of them FL residents) are circlejerking each other about how amazing it is, they don't realize it. And the Jews always have to be involved. Fuck, some of my tribe just want us to be viewed as evil forever.

You can take your blood libel redemption from Bloomberg, I'm willing to give him up peacefully.
I wonder if there's any trackable bullshit of which specific felons the charity chooses to pay for.
I forget if this is the one John Morgan is involved with, but I think he was doing one of them.
 
DeSantis lost Pinellas and won the state, so it is not a bellweather either.
Speaking of Pinellas...
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Looks like a bunch of Marxists who want to make Capitalist Leningrad more like actual Leningrad.

Or it could be crazy ass Scientologists from Clearwater, either one.
 
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Looks like a bunch of Marxists who want to make Capitalist Leningrad more like actual Leningrad.

Or it could be crazy ass Scientologists from Clearwater, either one.
>Pulling this shit in Florida
They better watch their step or the next thing that comes out of their mouths could be a hollowpoint.

If they need the lesson, I know the best teacher in the area.
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I've often wondered why the creative arts generally lean toward the left, especially since I am in the creative arts myself but am conservative.

There's probably many reasons for it, and some of it is a coincidence, but one is the following: the conservative strongholds of America are generally underdeveloped in many ways, largely due to agriculture (which isn't a negative but you know what I mean). Being from the agricultural Bible Belt, I can tell you that the culture down here pretty much prioritizes - idolizes - athletics over everything, even "real work." High school football (and other sports but usually football) often takes precedence over even basic education. If a school system does not value education, they're sure as hell not going to set aside some money to have an art or theatre program. Hell, most schools won't even provide financial support to the marching band even if they do for the sports teams. As a result you end up with a lot of disenfranchised students who feel they aren't worth anything because they're not athletic, and that leads into other things, but that's a discussion for somewhere else. Again as someone who's lived this I can tell you my dreams have received very little support and I get told I'm wasting my time, usually by the same people who think their kid will become a pro NBA player because his 1A school team won a county title. When there's no cultural importance placed on art in general your region or whatever is not going to be producing a lot of writers, actors, musicians, and so on. It's unfortunate.

There are probably way more at least right-leaning people in entertainment than we realize, especially now, but we don't know and will never know because they don't voice it publicly, either because they don't want to get cancelled or just don't want to talk about it in general. A lot of people still don't like to be political or are mostly apolitical. How many of the people that talk the talk actually walk the walk? They are actors you know. I've had to play "woke" several times myself and I've never had a bit part in anything. I don't know when this was but a few years ago at (I think) the Oscars or something somebody got up there and soap boxed wokeness, and there is camera footage of several people in the audience (actors and so on) visibly cringing and appearing exhausted.

The farther back you go in pop culture and entertainment the more openly right-wing types you find, but they did not live in the same environment we do today, so it was safer for them to voice their opinions.
I learned after watching Gone with the Wind, that Clark Gable was a silent Republican who joined some anti-communism group. And he was the leading man in Hollywood for a long time till his death.

Also anyone hear any talk of people voting for Biden because they think the riots will just go away?
 
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I learned after watching Gone with the Wind, that Clark Gable was a silent Republican who joined some anti-communism group. And he was the leading man in Hollywood for a long time till his death.

Also anyone hear any talk of people voting for Biden because they think the riots will just go away?

It's funny I thought growing up, the fear of communists in government and media was just a dumb right wing conspiracy. Now we're living through it.

The Republican party really, really fucked up during the Bush years when millennials were all developing a political identity. The obvious issue is the Iraq war, but culturally, the Republican party did nothing but cater to dinosaurs. They held onto dying causes and really offer nothing to youth. That's another reason why Trump won, he never pretended he gave a shit about gays marrying, marijuana, never made believable overtures to Evangelicals, all of that shit. He wasn't the stuffy conservative the GOP churns out.. The Republican party, at least before Trump, kept reaching out to the religious right and making absolutely zero in-roads to youth. Instead, Republicans complained about demons on Magic: The Gathering and grounded their children for playing Dungeons & Dragons. Liberals were closer to the sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll all the cool kids love. That's why that annoying creepy narcissistic insincere huckster Milo Yiannopolous ever had an audience.

With Trump, we got an actual real human being and not a cardboard cutout of a human being. The left tries to smear him with his boorish sexual boasting, but in the end I feel like it really helped his image. Blue collar "titties 'n beer" types that aren't exactly street punks but also aren't altar boys probably loved being able to vote for an actual MAN. Trump's a bullshitter, but he doesn't hide his core personality, didn't even make an effort to.

Gay marriage was a huge issue that brought a lot of millennial teens into the civil rights LARPing stuff. The laws were pretty stupid and everyone knew it, as secretly did the Republicans. Why do you know the Supreme Court case Roe vs. Wade but not the one that mandated states accept homosexual marriage, despite the latter being so much more recent in time, only 5 years ago? Because the Republicans don't contest it because they didn't care either. They legitimately do care about abortion as they believe it is the murder of a human life. The Republicans handed the left the ability to make themselves look like civil rights heroes (cautiously; even Obama was chickenshit and said he didn't believe in gay marriage. Trump beat him to that!) and we've been dealing with that degeneracy ever since.

It was either uncool uptight religious right types or the lamest, most milquetoast, "safe for East Coast Elite consumption" Mitt Romney types. On the Republican side, Mitt Romney's nomination likely got the fire smoldering inside the Republican party that allowed Trump to win, if it wasn't that it was the Ron Paul craze that went on way back. Romney is a moderate religious Christian liberal more than he could honestly be called a republican. I actually would have agreed a lot on Romney socially, except he couldn't even take bold stances on those fronts, and his economic policies I found distasteful.

Of course, Trump also addressed issues nobody was willing to take a stance on. Immigration and trade. That made a lot of conservatives very happy, particularly the law and order crowd and people concerned either with China itself or America's trade deals. Most Republicans do nothing Republican, they do not lower taxes, they do nothing about social security, they have no problem with Chinese influence, they think law and order is harsher sentences for people caught with wacky weed instead of improving policing and crime in high-crime areas.

Even the alt right and WNs consist of huge fucking pot heads (don't fucking deny it guys). The vast, vast majority of millennials, probably most of us here, even at KiwiFarms, have moved to what people say is "socially liberal." Millennial right wing youth have a much greater libertarian leaning.

So, back to the main point: we don't have any real conservatives in media or anywhere to fight back on this because for far too long the Republican party made themselves simply very, very, very uncool. The left, with the media, seized Millennial public opinion. The Republican party needs to rebrand itself and not come off as an angry disapproving nun in a convent. Nobody wants that anymore. You can be "sex drugs and rock'n'roll" without being a complete degenerate. Ian Curtis of Joy Division was a Tory! Roger Daltrey is pro-Brexit and generally pretty moderate! I could go on about more of them and how all the original rock and roll stars even today aren't socialists or even necessarily on the left. Conservatives need more Ted Nugent types. How many rockers/rock 'n roll types were really super far left? Those people weren't hippies. And maybe one day, people predisposed to the left might realize that "sex, drugs, rock 'n roll" doesn't mean snorting dried cum and molly off a transpenis in a port-a-potty at an EDM festival. The right wing made themselves absolutely unpalatable to Millennials. The Republican party has been reparing itself slowly from the religious right but not fast enough.

Here's hoping the Democrats are making themselves unpalatable to Gen Z. I'm not optimistic, though culture is increasingly becoming based online and I feel that there's the embers of a new counter-culture starting to glow.
 
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It's funny I thought growing up, the fear of communists in government and media was just a dumb right wing conspiracy. Now we're living through it.

The Republican party really, really fucked up during the Bush years when millennials were all developing a political identity. The obvious issue is the Iraq war, but culturally, the Republican party did nothing but cater to dinosaurs. They held onto dying causes and really offer nothing to youth. That's another reason why Trump won, he never pretended he gave a shit about gays marrying, marijuana, never made believable overtures to Evangelicals, all of that shit. He wasn't the stuffy conservative the GOP churns out.. The Republican party, at least before Trump, kept reaching out to the religious right and making absolutely zero in-roads to youth. Instead, Republicans complained about demons on Magic: The Gathering and grounded their children for playing Dungeons & Dragons. Liberals were closer to the sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll all the cool kids love. That's why that annoying creepy narcissistic insincere huckster Milo Yiannopolous ever had an audience.

With Trump, we got an actual real human being and not a cardboard cutout of a human being. The left tries to smear him with his boorish sexual boasting, but in the end I feel like it really helped his image. Blue collar "titties 'n beer" types that aren't exactly street punks but also aren't altar boys probably loved being able to vote for an actual MAN. Trump's a bullshitter, but he doesn't hide his core personality, didn't even make an effort to.

Gay marriage was a huge wedge issue that brought a lot of millennial teens into the civil rights fold. The laws were pretty stupid and everyone knew it (as secretly did the Republicans. Why do you know the Supreme Court case Roe vs. Wade but not the one that mandated states accept homosexual marriage? Because the Republicans don't contest it because they didn't care either. They legitimately do care about abortion as they believe it is the murder of a human life. The Republicans handed the left the ability to make themselves look like civil rights heroes (cautiously; even Obama was chickenshit and said he didn't believe in gay marriage. Trump beat him to that!) and we've been dealing with that degeneracy ever since.

It was either uncool uptight religious right types or the lamest, most milquetoast, "safe for East Coast Elite consumption" Mitt Romney types. On the Republican side, Mitt Romney's nomination likely got the fire smoldering inside the Republican party that allowed Trump to win, if it wasn't that it was the Ron Paul craze that went on way back. Romney is a moderate religious Christian liberal more than he could honestly be called a republican. I actually would have agreed a lot on Romney socially, except he couldn't even take bold stances on those fronts, and his economic policies I found distasteful.

Of course, Trump also addressed issues nobody was willing to take a stance on. Immigration and trade. That made a lot of conservatives very happy, particularly the law and order crowd and people concerned either with China itself or America's trade deals. Most Republicans do nothing Republican, they do not lower taxes, they do nothing about social security, they have no problem with Chinese influence, they think law and order is harsher sentences for people caught with wacky weed instead of improving policing and crime in high-crime areas.

Even the alt right and WNs consist of huge fucking pot heads (don't fucking deny it guys). The vast, vast majority of millennials, probably most of us here, even at KiwiFarms, have moved to what people say is "socially liberal." Millennial right wing youth have a much greater libertarian leaning.

So, back to the main point: we don't have any real conservatives in media or anywhere to fight back on this because for far too long the Republican party made themselves simply very, very, very uncool. The left, with the media, seized Millennial public opinion. The Republican party needs to rebrand itself and not come off as an angry disapproving nun in a convent. Nobody wants that anymore. You can be "sex drugs and rock'n'roll" without being a complete degenerate. Ian Curtis of Joy Division was a Tory! Roger Daltrey is pro-Brexit and generally pretty moderate! How many rockers/rock 'n roll types were really super far left? Those people weren't hippies. And maybe one day, people predisposed to the left might realize that "sex, drugs, rock 'n roll" doesn't mean doing snorting dried cum and molly off a transpenis in a port-a-potty at an EDM festival. The right wing made themselves absolutely unpalatable to Millennials. The Republican party has been reparing itself slowly from the religious right but not fast enough.

Here's hoping the Democrats are making themselves unpalatable to Gen Z. I'm not optimistic, though culture is increasingly becoming based online and I feel that there's the embers of a new counter-culture starting to glow.
It started with Reagan and the Bush years was a symptom of everything crashing down.

Nixon's fuck up with Watergate allowed the neocons to conquer the party. No attempts untill Trump to basically make some appeal to anyone under the age of 60.
 
People negrate me because I shit on Lee Greenwood. I mean, it's fine tune. But after hearing it for decades, something gotta give. It's pretty cringe.

Too bad the left pretty much hold a monopoly on good creative works. The right isn't really interested in creating good art. Even Rockin in the Free World is pretty anti America, circa H Dubya. But Trump uses it as his walk off music at times.

At least use this Trump:

E: if I was trump, I'd try and put some money towards the arts to get American songwriters to produce us some new pro American pro right wing shit. But this could result in grifters taking the money and running. At least have them prove a demo or something before getting the money. And weekly check ups too.

Seeing as I'm pretty sure Billy Corgan is a Trump supporter he should use this.

 
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It's funny I thought growing up, the fear of communists in government and media was just a dumb right wing conspiracy. Now we're living through it.

The Republican party really, really fucked up during the Bush years when millennials were all developing a political identity. The obvious issue is the Iraq war, but culturally, the Republican party did nothing but cater to dinosaurs. They held onto dying causes and really offer nothing to youth. That's another reason why Trump won, he never pretended he gave a shit about gays marrying, marijuana, never made believable overtures to Evangelicals, all of that shit. He wasn't the stuffy conservative the GOP churns out.. The Republican party, at least before Trump, kept reaching out to the religious right and making absolutely zero in-roads to youth. Instead, Republicans complained about demons on Magic: The Gathering and grounded their children for playing Dungeons & Dragons. Liberals were closer to the sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll all the cool kids love. That's why that annoying creepy narcissistic insincere huckster Milo Yiannopolous ever had an audience.

With Trump, we got an actual real human being and not a cardboard cutout of a human being. The left tries to smear him with his boorish sexual boasting, but in the end I feel like it really helped his image. Blue collar "titties 'n beer" types that aren't exactly street punks but also aren't altar boys probably loved being able to vote for an actual MAN. Trump's a bullshitter, but he doesn't hide his core personality, didn't even make an effort to.

Gay marriage was a huge issue that brought a lot of millennial teens into the civil rights LARPing stuff. The laws were pretty stupid and everyone knew it, as secretly did the Republicans. Why do you know the Supreme Court case Roe vs. Wade but not the one that mandated states accept homosexual marriage? Because the Republicans don't contest it because they didn't care either. They legitimately do care about abortion as they believe it is the murder of a human life. The Republicans handed the left the ability to make themselves look like civil rights heroes (cautiously; even Obama was chickenshit and said he didn't believe in gay marriage. Trump beat him to that!) and we've been dealing with that degeneracy ever since.

It was either uncool uptight religious right types or the lamest, most milquetoast, "safe for East Coast Elite consumption" Mitt Romney types. On the Republican side, Mitt Romney's nomination likely got the fire smoldering inside the Republican party that allowed Trump to win, if it wasn't that it was the Ron Paul craze that went on way back. Romney is a moderate religious Christian liberal more than he could honestly be called a republican. I actually would have agreed a lot on Romney socially, except he couldn't even take bold stances on those fronts, and his economic policies I found distasteful.

Of course, Trump also addressed issues nobody was willing to take a stance on. Immigration and trade. That made a lot of conservatives very happy, particularly the law and order crowd and people concerned either with China itself or America's trade deals. Most Republicans do nothing Republican, they do not lower taxes, they do nothing about social security, they have no problem with Chinese influence, they think law and order is harsher sentences for people caught with wacky weed instead of improving policing and crime in high-crime areas.

Even the alt right and WNs consist of huge fucking pot heads (don't fucking deny it guys). The vast, vast majority of millennials, probably most of us here, even at KiwiFarms, have moved to what people say is "socially liberal." Millennial right wing youth have a much greater libertarian leaning.

So, back to the main point: we don't have any real conservatives in media or anywhere to fight back on this because for far too long the Republican party made themselves simply very, very, very uncool. The left, with the media, seized Millennial public opinion. The Republican party needs to rebrand itself and not come off as an angry disapproving nun in a convent. Nobody wants that anymore. You can be "sex drugs and rock'n'roll" without being a complete degenerate. Ian Curtis of Joy Division was a Tory! Roger Daltrey is pro-Brexit and generally pretty moderate! I could go on about more of them and how all the original rock and roll stars even today aren't socialists or even necessarily on the left. Conservatives need more Ted Nugent types. How many rockers/rock 'n roll types were really super far left? Those people weren't hippies. And maybe one day, people predisposed to the left might realize that "sex, drugs, rock 'n roll" doesn't mean doing snorting dried cum and molly off a transpenis in a port-a-potty at an EDM festival. The right wing made themselves absolutely unpalatable to Millennials. The Republican party has been reparing itself slowly from the religious right but not fast enough.

Here's hoping the Democrats are making themselves unpalatable to Gen Z. I'm not optimistic, though culture is increasingly becoming based online and I feel that there's the embers of a new counter-culture starting to glow.
So what you're saying is, we need more shitposters in positions of power to win the culture war? Since I think shitposting is more appealing to zoomers than the stuff you listed, which the Democrats can only do unintentionally (or literally in the case of Nadler earlier today).
 
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