2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[StarkRavingMad]

The name of the game is the electoral vote. Who cares if the Left pulls fraud in their own areas? Its not going to get them any closer to the white house. Those areas were going to vote blue in the first place.

If the left pulls fraud in their own areas to beef up the popular vote for Biden to the point where he wins it, then it's going to cause even more unrest and violence in the streets ... And the new narrative will be "ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE NOW OR WE BURN IT ALL DOWN REEEE." Expect even more obstruction from the Democrats over this, just like how they are now openly planning to "pack" the Supreme Court.

In short, making this play keeps the Dem base fighting for them like the puppets and useful idiots that they are. Outrage and mob rule is the name of their game these days.

 

[tehpope]

If the left pulls fraud in their own areas to beef up the popular vote for Biden to the point where he wins it, it's going to cause even more unrest and violence in the streets ... And the new narrative will be "ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE NOW OR WE BURN IT ALL DOWN REEEE." Expect even more obstruction from the Democrats over this, just like how they are now openly planning to "pack" the Supreme Court.

In short, making this play keeps the Dem base fighting for them like the puppets and useful idiots that they are. Outrage and mob rule is the name of their game these days.

And all these moves keep pushing people over to the right. And regardless of if Trump wins or not, he'll probably use the Insurrection Act to go in and crack some skulls.

These threats aren't new. We saw them call for the abolishment of the EC in 2016 after they lost. They called for packing the courts during Trump's first two picks. Its nothing new. I don't want people to get hurt, die, or lose their livelyhoods, but all these riots are plus for Trump. Since it shows how far gone the other side is.

 

[Harvey Danger]

The name of the game is the electoral vote. Who cares if the Left pulls fraud in their own areas? Its not going to get them any closer to the white house. Those areas were going to vote blue in the first place.

Yes, but we were discussing a betting market and the odds of him winning 55% or more.

@StarkRavingMad is also correct that this is a narrative play on the left's part. There's already riots in the streets, violence and "resistance" being planned, and the idea now that Trump controls the USPS and is using it to suppress votes. Add on this week's mini-furor over him not "committing to the peaceful transfer of power". Now add in an election where he "loses" the popular vote.

There's a narrative structure in place to support half of America believing that Trump actually lost an election and should be forced from office. They just need that last piece to fall into place to complete the story.

I don't think they actually get to force him from power, of course. But then we're still dealing with a sizable population who have been primed for months to believe in that story, and no evidence to the contrary will change their minds. That is a major societal problem which doesn't go away just because the military sides with the President.

 

[american_amadan]

And all these moves keep pushing people over to the right. And regardless of if Trump wins or not, he'll probably use the Insurrection Act to go in and crack some skulls.

These threats aren't new. We saw them call for the abolishment of the EC in 2016 after they lost. They called for packing the courts during Trump's first two picks. Its nothing new. I don't want people to get hurt, die, or lose their livelyhoods, but all these riots are plus for Trump. Since it shows how far gone the other side is.

This will be a unique election. I don't think we will know the clear winner for some time following. Every vote counted will have some controversy around it if the media has its way. My thing (worry?) is that for 2 weeks we will have chaos because nobody will know who won. This mail in voting nonsense is going to fuck this up big time. As long as you send your ballot by election day? The fuck is the point of having election day at that point?

In a world of instant, on demand everything, we are about to have a massive event take what will feel like forever to be figured out. FUCK.

 

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And all these moves keep pushing people over to the right. And regardless of if Trump wins or not, he'll probably use the Insurrection Act to go in and crack some skulls.

These threats aren't new. We saw them call for the abolishment of the EC in 2016 after they lost. They called for packing the courts during Trump's first two picks. Its nothing new. I don't want people to get hurt, die, or lose their livelyhoods, but all these riots are plus for Trump. Since it shows how far gone the other side is.

And what the left has forgotten in their frothing rage is that threats -- "do this or I'll call you a nazi," "do this or we'll riot," etc -- only work if they're different than the current status quo.

Or, to quote an old H8KU comic.... Riot? Impeachment? Coup Attempt? "You've already done that!"

 

[StarkRavingMad]

And all these moves keep pushing people over to the right. And regardless of if Trump wins or not, he'll probably use the Insurrection Act to go in and crack some skulls.

These threats aren't new. We saw them call for the abolishment of the EC in 2016 after they lost. They called for packing the courts during Trump's first two picks. Its nothing new. I don't want people to get hurt, die, or lose their livelyhoods, but all these riots are plus for Trump. Since it shows how far gone the other side is.

The Democrats are, at this point, Marxists and obstructionists ... Doesn't matter whether they are smart or not. They think that holding the country hostage like this for daring to elect Trump in 2016 (and ultimately this November) is just. It's lunacy. They're losing support, yes ... But they have caused a fuckton of damage to the American people this year alone.

While Trump is POTUS (and is likely to be for another four years), the Dems still have plenty of power and influence over the American people. Case in point: the COVID shutdowns. We all know these governors are doing it because it's an election year, let's be real. And do we believe this shit is going to stop now that they know what they can actually do to people? I don't. A frightening precedent has been set, if you ask me.

Trump winning in November, while it would be a huge victory, is only part of the battle. The Democrats will not let up if Trump is re-elected, and they're using the livelihoods of the American people as pawns. It's sickening, and it needs to stop immediately.

I want Trump to win this election, including the popular vote. The left needs to be completely demoralized to make some of this shit stop, in my opinion. A good start to that would be for Trump to handily win the election.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

An interesting resource I managed to procure from Reddit, of all places--a detailed listing of total mail ballot requests for 2020.

Important details: Democrats outpace ballot requests by nearly 8 million. Independents are roughly tied with Republicans for mail-in ballots. Around 870,000 early votes have been recorded so far, up from around 9000 at this date in 2016. The rust belt states more or less have around half the mail-in ballot requests as total people who voted in these states during 2016.

Someone more autistic than me could estimate some future trends with these data. I, myself, think the Democrats are blowing their load a little early. They'll be higher turnout this election, but how much the Democrats will commit to voting in-person remains to be seen. It could very well be that Republicans will increase their vote-share in critical states, especially since GOP registrations are beating out Democrat registrations.

The thing I'll watch out for is Independent voters. 12,400,000 or so votes is a lot, and I can only guess how they'll vote.

 

[knobslobbin]

Are you insane dropping money on over 55%? I cannot imagine that outcome. Hell, I'm thinking less popular vote and more electoral than last time, personally.

Maybe people are trying to get ahead of a big change in the predicted outcome from the debates. If Biden tanks harder than any candidate ever has then these shifts might pay out well.

 

[knobslobbin]

The name of the game is the electoral vote. Who cares if the Left pulls fraud in their own areas? Its not going to get them any closer to the white house. Those areas were going to vote blue in the first place.

Because this is also about the senate and house races...

 

[tehpope]

Because this is also about the senate and house races...

Okay. And....

A lot of these deep blue places never have the GOP run. Because they know they don't have a snowball's chance in hell. I can see this being an issue in more rual places. Or with more centrist leaning dems. Its like cheating in a game you're the only player in. You were going to win the whole time. What difference does it make if you win by 1 vote or a million.

I don't think the left is smart. They've proven over and over and over the last 4 years they always make the wrong move when its time to make one. I'd be more worried about fraud in red states. It'll happen under everyone's noses. Mainly the midwest I'm hoping Trump doesn't forget about those places and doesn't focus on the swing states exclusively.

e: I am concerned about places like Seattle, NYC, and Portland. They might have a tiny tiny chance of flipping. So cheating would make all the differences. I mainly focus on places like SF, LA, or Chicago. Where there's no chance in hell for a GOP member to win unless God himself came down and did something.

 

[knobslobbin]

Okay. And....

A lot of these deep blue places never have the GOP run. Because they know they don't have a snowball's chance in hell. I can see this being an issue in more rual places. Or with more centrist leaning dems. Its like cheating in a game you're the only player in. You were going to win the whole time. What difference does it make if you win by 1 vote or a million.

I don't think the left is smart. They've proven over and over and over the last 4 years they always make the wrong move when its time to make one. I'd be more worried about fraud in red states. It'll happen under everyone's noses. Mainly the midwest I'm hoping Trump doesn't forget about those places and doesn't focus on the swing states exclusively.

In California alone there are enough former red house seats that flipped blue in the last election from voter fraud that if Trump is able to shine a light on it and prevent it he'll take back the house. Maybe you've forgotton how slim the democrats hold on the house is, and how slim the Republicans hold on the senate is. Trump is going for the win for him and his party, I hope he gets all 3.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I want Trump to win this election, including the popular vote. The left needs to be completely demoralized to make some of this shit stop, in my opinion. A good start to that would be for Trump to handily win the election.

The Left keeps changing and people like Joe Rogan are now considered right wing. It just gets even more radicalized and supported by elites, who have their own reasons as they don't buy the dogma.

The best thing that can happen, is the destruction of the democrat party, like what happened to the Whigs when they could not solve the slavery issue, which led to the creation of the Republican Party.

The democrats at this point are filled with dinosaurs and the new blood like the squad, are all idiots only good for doling out gibs and welfare to their communities. I highly doubt Somalis care about Breanna Taylor and Arabs hate niggers and probably would have treated Breanna Taylor with contempt if she ever came by their community.

And I am being serious that the Democrats will have to die as this is not a edgy take or anything. A new party needs to replace them as it happened with the Whigs and something better. This current party is acting like third world feudal landlords and so are their tactics as well.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

polls

I learned not to trust pre-election polls after they predicted Hillary would "almost certainly win".

 

[Extremist Frank]

The Left keeps changing and people like Joe Rogan are now considered right wing. It just gets even more radicalized and supported by elites, who have their own reasons as they don't buy the dogma.

The best thing that can happen, is the destruction of the democrat party, like what happened to the Whigs when they could not solve the slavery issue, which led to the creation of the Republican Party.

The democrats at this point are filled with dinosaurs and the new blood like the squad, are all idiots only good for doling out gibs and welfare to their communities. I highly doubt Somalis care about Breanna Taylor and Arabs hate niggers and probably would have treated Breanna Taylor with contempt if she ever came by their community.

And I am being serious that the Democrats will have to die as this is not a edgy take or anything. A new party needs to replace them as it happened with the Whigs and something better. This current party is acting like third world feudal landlords and so are their tactics as well.

Assuming Trump wins reelection and the GOP retains the Senate, the Dems will probably split on ideological grounds in the rush to find a compelling 2022 platform. Schumer will undoubtedly be pushed out of leadership, same with Pelosi if the Dems lose the House. No more of this big tent bullshit they're currently desperately hoping works. The soft Progressives, eg Ed Markey, will probably take over leadership of the party--the DNC leadership has already gone this way. The more centrist Dems, eg Tester & Manchin, will try to rebrand themselves as new blue dog dems if they're smart.

I seriously see 2020 capping itself off with the effective end of the 2 party system in the US. If the Dems lose, let alone are shut out of the federal govt, we're gonna emerge with a dominant right wing party, two minority left wing parties that may bicker over establishing a power sharing arrangement every four years, and increasingly relevant local parties.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Assuming Trump wins reelection and the GOP retains the Senate, the Dems will probably split on ideological grounds in the rush to find a compelling 2022 platform. Schumer will undoubtedly be pushed out of leadership, same with Pelosi if the Dems lose the House. No more of this big tent bullshit they're currently desperately hoping works. The soft Progressives, eg Ed Markey, will probably take over leadership of the party--the DNC leadership has already gone this way. The more centrist Dems, eg Tester & Manchin, will try to rebrand themselves as new blue dog dems if they're smart.

I seriously see 2020 capping itself off with the effective end of the 2 party system in the US. If the Dems lose, let alone are shut out of the federal govt, we're gonna emerge with a dominant right wing party, two minority left wing parties that may bicker over establishing a power sharing arrangement every four years, and increasingly relevant local parties.

I'm going to be honest if the Dems lose and I mean if (since I could see Biden winning either through enough Trump hate or something else), then it is more likely they'd change in the next 4 years in a way similar to how the GOP was after Obama's second win since before Trump, the GOP was a dying party. If Trump never entered the race then it would've been Bush or Rubio vs Hillary and Hillary would've beaten them. The GOP was in an extremely bad state before Trump pulled their shit together and I can see this happening with the Democrat party.

Of course traditions have proven to be broken all the time as the past 4 years have shown us so who knows what will really happen, we could have the lolbertarians in power or a Kanye West Party in 4 years.

 

[Extremist Frank]

I'm going to be honest if the Dems lose and I mean if (since I could see Biden winning either through enough Trump hate or something else), then it is more likely they'd change in the next 4 years in a way similar to how the GOP was after Obama's second win since before Trump, the GOP was a dying party. If Trump never entered the race then it would've been Bush or Rubio vs Hillary and Hillary would've beaten them. The GOP was in an extremely bad state before Trump pulled their shit together and I can see this happening with the Democrat party.

Of course traditions have proven to be broken all the time as the past 4 years have shown us so who knows what will really happen, we could have the lolbertarians in power or a Kanye West Party in 4 years.

That would be the responsible course correction, but I don't see it being feasible for the Dems to go from their current state to regaining millions of voters, especially if Trump has a bustling economy in '24. The Dem's platform is rapidly diverging between progressives, who want to spend untold trillions reshaping every facet of our economy, and centrists, who want stability and a strong economy. The only thing holding them together right now is orange man bad and Trump won't be running in '24. Even worse for them is that Trump has scooped up millions of disaffected voters who were left behind by shitty trade deals and/or Obama flipping them the bird with industry-breaking regulations, and he is now expanding the GOP's base further by broadly appealing to Blacks & Hispanics.

The point being, it'll be extremely difficult for the Dems to meaningfully flip moderates and center-right voters if Trump wins reelection and has a strong economy come '24, which will likely shift the party further left.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I'm going to be honest if the Dems lose and I mean if (since I could see Biden winning either through enough Trump hate or something else), then it is more likely they'd change in the next 4 years in a way similar to how the GOP was after Obama's second win since before Trump, the GOP was a dying party. If Trump never entered the race then it would've been Bush or Rubio vs Hillary and Hillary would've beaten them. The GOP was in an extremely bad state before Trump pulled their shit together and I can see this happening with the Democrat party.

Of course traditions have proven to be broken all the time as the past 4 years have shown us so who knows what will really happen, we could have the lolbertarians in power or a Kanye West Party in 4 years.

The GOP was certainly a dying party at around 2012-2013. Then, people showed up to vote in the 2014 midterms, and the GOP kicked ass (presumably because Obama just sucked so bad and phoned in his second term). Just as the GOP was becoming complacent and comfortable again, though, here comes Trump to announce his candidacy in 2015 to become the enema the party needed. Jaded right-leaning voters were so jaded prior to 2016 because the GOP didn't fight for anything or stand up for their constituents; they kept snatching defeat from the jaws of victory because "defeat" didn't really affect their establishment. Spineless jellyfish is what they were because "no skin off their noses," right? Boy, have times changed.

Right now, the Democrats are pretty much encouraging their voters to be political terrorists, and are vowing to change the laws of the Constitution drastically ... All the while the mainstream media, China, Hollywood, etc. are on their side. There's a lot of money involved in the Democrats doing what they are doing right now ... So, in my opinion, I see no end to their madness by 2022, or even 2024.

The GOP did not cause the damage that the left has while they were a sinking ship. The riots, the political terrorism, the lockdowns, the forced recession ... These are things that I don't think people will forget by 2022-- especially when the "young people" in the Democrat party are lunatics like AOC.

There's a difference between being jaded and being repulsed by a political party. Guess where the Democrats increasingly fall as every day passes?

 

[Surprised Pikachu]

I hope Pence has sense enough to know not to run in 2024. The GOP (and the Dems) have a hard time saying no to ex-VP’s who think it’s ’their turn’ and Pence would kill the current party unity. I’m looking out for Trump 2.0, there’s a few possibilities but prob too soon for most of them. I feel Candace Owens is one to watch, there are a lot of strong black Republican voices out there but it’s likely to be Don Jr in 24, he has the name, the money and (by then) a hotter FLOTUS than Melania. They could do worse.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

Are you insane dropping money on over 55%? I cannot imagine that outcome. Hell, I'm thinking less popular vote and more electoral than last time, personally.

I am not gonna do that, gonna stick with 50-55% but it's just a weird thing I noticed. It's implying Trump is more likely to get 55% than between 50-55.

 

[Xarpho]

I'm convinced that there will be enough Election Day fuckery that Biden might pull out a contested win. But I'm not sure about the Democrat candidates. Biden is barely coherent and his penchant for gaffes make George W. Bush look like eloquent, while Harris was never that popular even among DNC circles.