2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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XtrmGamr719 said:
I haven't really kept watch on Pence, so how non-Trump is he? And how much will he trounce Harris?
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On being non-Trump: He would be the poster boy Republican-conservative president. He also keeps his business private. No scandals, no blowback. If they want to rag on about him "shocking" or being the VP to Drumpf, go ahead, Pence can and will hit you as hard as Trump.

Essentially, Pence is somewhat unknown and his personal issues aren't in the public light, whereas we all know that Kamala sucks old cock to get on up in life.
 
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In American politics you can't really speak the plain truth about CRT (that it's anti-white, or aims to create "equity" with racism against whites) without being read as a "white supremacist" and immediately sinking your own ship. So he uses language like "it teaches people to hate their country."
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I think he could've more clearly distinguished it from just 'sensitivity training' and also hit on how it's actually racially divisive too, but other than that I agree. Trying to say anything about it being anti-white will just make him come off like Jontron especially when he flubbed that line about Proud Boys (I don't think he was at all wrong but he also could've worded that a lot better since he's given them another sound bite to run with).
 
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I'll just watch Baris's analysis of the debate when he gets around to it, but for now, I am calling it a mild Trump win for one reason, he managed to get Biden to trip on one of his most popular issues, the environment.

The Green New Deal is a campaign promise Biden has made to the American people. When Trump questioned him on it, Biden took the bait and ended up both denouncing and supporting it at the same time. What it does is show him to be a flip flopper. He wants all green energy, yet he cannot remain consistent on whenever or not he supports the deal. Voters now know that Biden does not care about green energy as much as they had been lead to believing and doesn't understand the topic of global warming despite the assumption that the Democrats are the party of science.

He's going to lose a portion of his far left voters over this. While I don't think Trump will get Biden to totally melt down in the next two debates (and he will have to do them since internal pollings are worse than what the mainstream media will tell people), the fact he pissed Biden off so much means there are more opportunities for him to trip Biden over when it comes to important issues. The fact Biden's claim of being a decent, empathetic (really means sympathetic) man was shredded by giving him a juvenile insult helps too.

As long as Trump can avoid falling into a kafka death trap and do a better job of countering hoaxes by Biden (he should have said something about the "fine people" hoax), it won't hurt his chances. Also incumbents are historically poor at first debates, which is another good sign for him. Now he needs to prepare for the next two moderators who will be even less fair than Wallace (who should eat a bag of dicks after covering for Biden's mistakes). Frankly, I expected Biden to do okay in the debate. Biden can still recover from this but even polishing a turd like what the media is already doing doesn't change that he was shit tonight.

That said, the vice president debate will likely be the more important one seeing as Harris is the real candidate here.
 
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I'll just watch Baris's analysis of the debate when he gets around to it, but for now, I am calling it a mild Trump win for one reason, he managed to get Biden to trip on one of his most popular issues, the environment.

The Green New Deal is a campaign promise Biden has made to the American people. When Trump questioned him on it, Biden took the bait and ended up both denouncing and supporting it at the same time. What it does is show him to be a flip flopper. He wants all green energy, yet he cannot remain consistent on whenever or not he supports the deal. Voters now know that Biden does not care about green energy as much as they had been lead to believing and doesn't understand the topic of global warming despite the assumption that the Democrats are the party of science.

He's going to lose a portion of his far left voters over this. While I don't think Trump will get Biden to totally melt down in the next two debates (and he will have to do them since internal pollings are worse than what the mainstream media will tell people), the fact he pissed Biden off so much means there are more opportunities for him to trip Biden over when it comes to important issues. The fact Biden's claim of being a decent, empathetic (really means sympathetic) man was shredded by giving him a juvenile insult helps too.

As long as Trump can avoid falling into a kafka death trap and do a better job of countering hoaxes by Biden (he should have said something about the "fine people" hoax), it won't hurt his chances. Also incumbents are historically poor at first debates, which is another good sign for him.

That said, the vice president debate will likely be the more important one seeing as Harris is the real candidate here.
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It seemed like his tactic this debate was to confront him on positions his base is rabid over that's toxic to the moderates. Mainly over the riots and police(ACAB types are gonna hate him saying most cops are good people), and a bit on the Green New Deal.
 
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Polyboros2 said:
It seemed like his tactic this debate was to confront him on positions his base is rabid over that's toxic to the moderates. Mainly over the riots and police(ACAB types are gonna hate him saying most cops are good people), and a bit on the Green New Deal.
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I believe that Trump's strategy was simply to survive the first debate without falling into a Kafka trap. What I wasn't expecting was for Trump to go on the offensive as much as he did. Probably a necessary evil since he's dealing with Biden and a cuck Never Trumper that hates his gut.

I don't think Biden denouncing the riots and the All Cops Are Bastards type will hurt him to be honest. Most Americans hate riots and we already knew he started condemning it three months into it (which is too long IMO). The Green New Deal is different because it is a policy plan by Biden and flip flopping shows a lack of commitment to fighting global warming.
 
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I'll just watch Baris's analysis of the debate when he gets around to it, but for now, I am calling it a mild Trump win for one reason, he managed to get Biden to trip on one of his most popular issues, the environment.

The Green New Deal is a campaign promise Biden has made to the American people. When Trump questioned him on it, Biden took the bait and ended up both denouncing and supporting it at the same time. What it does is show him to be a flip flopper. He wants all green energy, yet he cannot remain consistent on whenever or not he supports the deal. Voters now know that Biden does not care about green energy as much as they had been lead to believing and doesn't understand the topic of global warming despite the assumption that the Democrats are the party of science.

He's going to lose a portion of his far left voters over this. While I don't think Trump will get Biden to totally melt down in the next two debates (and he will have to do them since internal pollings are worse than what the mainstream media will tell people), the fact he pissed Biden off so much means there are more opportunities for him to trip Biden over when it comes to important issues. The fact Biden's claim of being a decent, empathetic (really means sympathetic) man was shredded by giving him a juvenile insult helps too.

As long as Trump can avoid falling into a kafka death trap and do a better job of countering hoaxes by Biden (he should have said something about the "fine people" hoax), it won't hurt his chances. Also incumbents are historically poor at first debates, which is another good sign for him. Now he needs to prepare for the next two moderators who will be even less fair than Wallace (who should eat a bag of dicks after covering for Biden's mistakes). Frankly, I expected Biden to do okay in the debate. Biden can still recover from this but even polishing a turd like what the media is already doing doesn't change that he was shit tonight.

That said, the vice president debate will likely be the more important one seeing as Harris is the real candidate here.
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I agree with your assessment. Trump just wanted to break apart further the already fractured Democratic party. You cannot be pro fracking and pro Green New Deal, something that Biden claimed to be within seconds of each other. That exchange did not help him at all in Pennsylvania where a ½ million fracking jobs exist. Its why he went to that Pittsburgh empty werehouse that one time to say he was pro-fracking. He knows the Bernie position is poison in PA, a state that could hand Trump the presidency. And those frackers know when their ass is being put out to the pasture and will respond accordingly. Same thing happened in WV with the coal miners.

“If we end up with a Democratic candidate that supports a fracking ban, I’m going to tell my members that they either don’t vote or vote for the other guy,” said James T. Kunz Jr., business manager of the International Union of Operating Engineers.
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If you could design a perfect foil for Trump in a lab, it would look just like Pence.

He is the perfect person to hit the points in the VP debate that Trump left on the table in this debate.
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Anecdotal, of course, but I know multiple socially conservative people who voted for Trump in 2016 explicitly because Pence was around. The idea was that Pence would curb Trump's excesses, and "if Mike Pence is throwing in with him, he can't be a completely terrible person".

But Kamala Harris needs to be cracked. She's got a terrible record, terrible campaign management, and a terrible personality. She's the "real nominee" in a lot of eyes, and she needs to be destroyed so that segment of voters loses faith in the ticket, just like Tulsi did to her.

Pence will deliver a solid yet forgettable debate. Maybe he sets Trump up to take more swipes at her in the 2nd or 3rd debate.
 
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Anecdotal, of course, but I know multiple socially conservative people who voted for Trump in 2016 explicitly because Pence was around. The idea was that Pence would curb Trump's excesses, and "if Mike Pence is throwing in with him, he can't be a completely terrible person".

But Kamala Harris needs to be cracked. She's got a terrible record, terrible campaign management, and a terrible personality. She's the "real nominee" in a lot of eyes, and she needs to be destroyed so that segment of voters loses faith in the ticket, just like Tulsi did to her.

Pence will deliver a solid yet forgettable debate. Maybe he sets Trump up to take more swipes at her in the 2nd or 3rd debate.
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She is pretty much the evil that the Left constantly paints Trump as. All of her work has impeded black people and has on record played it off laughing like a bitch.
 
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Super predators was a great shot, tho'.
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Except Biden never made the "super-predator" remark, it was Hillary. But that comment was in reference to the '94 crime bill, so I guess he could be tarred by association. Frankly I'm surprised Biden didn't even bother to refute it, lol. If Trump is going to shit on the bill (deservedly IMO, since that legislation was terrible) while positioning himself as the "law & order" candidate, he should explain why it specifically sucks and tie it to his support for the black community and sane criminal justice reform. He could explain that even though he wants to restore civility in the streets, he nevertheless recognizes that our criminal justice system is severely flawed and will take steps to repair the damage done by over-criminalization and -incarceration. I think this could increase his appeal to moderates without making him look soft on the riots. And it shouldn't endanger support from LEOs because it shifts the blame to lawmakers, where it largely belongs.
 
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Yes! While I'm glad he hammered home the anti-Americanism of CRT, even one concrete example of the noxious lessons taught in these trainings would've greatly bolstered his position. All he had to do was cite the Smithsonian claim that "hard work is whiteness," and he could've strengthened his point while making the left look absolutely deranged. We all know Trump isn't the best informed, but his team should be prepping him on policy and effective counter arguments; the more Trump focuses on tangible policy, the more glaring Biden's refusal to commit to consistent positions becomes.
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I'm just hoping that those who don't know what CRT don't assume that it's basic 1960s-level anti-racism, because his rant against it coupled with that mischaracterization (propagated by Uncle Joe in the same debate) makes it very easy to imagine that Trump's version of "Americanism" is basically this poster.
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