US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

TFT-A9 · Sep 30, 2020

greengrilledcheese said:
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I like how Zyklon Ben, in a comic that does not need ANY LABELS at all (what else would this be about besides the first debate, and who else would that be but Wallace?) still feels the need to autistically annotate it. That has always been the funniest damn thing about him and I've always wondered whether he's just terrified of his work being misinterpreted or whether he thinks his readers are just too dumb to figure it out.

ChikN10der · Sep 30, 2020

albertbrown26 said:
https://www.allsides.com/blog/when-debate-turns-debacle

In the first presidential debate of the 2020 general election campaign, absolutely nothing happened. But it was the loudest and most raucous “absolutely nothing” in American political history.

Both candidates were at their worst. Donald Trump was belligerent and overly combative. Joe Biden got frustrated and frequently got lost in his own answers. Neither won any new supporters, but both motivated their own bases simply by not being their opponent.

The end result is that nothing changed. The good news for Trump is he now knows that neither an opponent or a moderator can stop him from being Trump. The good news for Biden is that Trump being Trump doesn’t move any votes in either direction. And the next debate doesn’t take place for another sixteen days, which means the campaign is largely frozen in place until less than three weeks before Election Day.

In other words, Trump understands that Biden can’t or won’t stand toe to toe with him. And Biden understands that he doesn’t have to.

Boxing fans with long memories may recall when Muhammed Ali regained the heavyweight title from George Foreman in a 1974 prizefight known as “The Rumble in the Jungle”. Ali allowed Foreman to punch him repeatedly, knowing that Foreman would exhaust himself before his punches caused any great harm to Ali. The technique became known as “rope-a-dope”, and other fighters learned that if they could withstand their opponent’s blows, they might leave some of their own blood in the ring but would ultimately prevail.

This is essentially the technique that Biden used against Trump on Tuesday night. Biden punched back on occasion with intermittent insults and criticisms of his own, but he knew that Trump’s nastiest attacks would not win the president any new supporters. So rather than trading blow for blow, Biden absorbed the worst of Trump’s hits and walked away from the debate no better off than when it began, but no worse either. And with the polls and the calendar on his side, that was good enough.

Biden did occasionally let Trump get under his skin, and sometimes lapsed into the same type of schoolyard taunting as he was receiving. Especially early in the debate, there were times when Biden seemed off balance by the unyielding assault that Trump directed at him and lapsed into the type of confusing and circular verbosity for which he has become known over the years.

But while Biden frequently stumbled, he showed no hint of senility. He missed some tantalizing opportunities to draw stark contrasts with Trump, but he provided none of the senior moments that Trump and his allies had predicted. Biden wobbled, but he didn’t fall. Which was good enough to keep his lead intact.

Trump did nothing to cause any of his supporters to abandon him either. He has always relied on an extremely motivated base of loyalists for his success, and knows that the best way to excite those true believers is by attacking their common enemies. For him, the debate was simply one of his trademark rallies that substituted an opponent and a moderator as slightly different types of props than his usual adoring audience. His debate strategy was specifically designed to stoke those fires, not to win any converts.

Biden is much less interested in — or capable of — inflaming anyone’s passions.

Very few voters will ever be very much aroused by his message or his presence, but they can be comforted that he will steer the ship of state in a more conventional manner. Except for a few lapses, his approach was also on display for much of the debate. He still needs to find a way to increase turnout from unenthusiastic young people and minority voters, but he spent the evening reassuring swing voters that he was a safer choice than the martinet on the other side of the stage.

In its entirety, the debate was simply a 90-minute embodiment of this unprecedented and otherwise inconceivable election year in which two extremely different candidates have pursued the presidency in entirely dissimilar ways. Small wonder that it resulted in so much sound and fury signifying so little.

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Dan Schnur is a Professor at the University of California – Berkeley, Pepperdine University, and the University of Southern California, where he teaches courses in politics, communications and leadership. Dan is a No Party Preference voter, but previously worked on four presidential and three gubernatorial campaigns, serving as the national Director of Communications for the 2000 presidential campaign of U.S. Senator John McCain and the chief media spokesman for California Governor Pete Wilson. He has a Center bias.

This piece was reviewed by AllSides Managing Editor Henry A. Brechter. He has a Center bias.

Letting the other guy beat the shit out of you is a terrible strategy 999 out of 1000 times.
There's a reason most boxers actually throw punches rather than wait for their opponent to get tired beating them up.
Watching the debate myself, I didn't think it was good for Trump. But the reaction from the left seems to indicate they feel the same way about biden.

bippu_as_fuck_ls400 · Sep 30, 2020

@Homoerotic Cougar-kun I deleted that post, sorry. Here's the pic again.

Trump says he doesn't know who the Proud Boys are.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311383758424035328 (https://archive.vn/fMeIy)

ChikN10der · Sep 30, 2020

Andrew Neiman said:
The fact that otherwise reasonable people can look at Donald Trump and see something other than a whiny, blustering manchild is some kind of unholy miracle. 100 years from now, psychologists and historians will write books vainly attempting to explain what's going on in people's heads right now.

I'm sure ignorant academics will say all sorts of ridiculously untrue things like they always have.
Like "America was founded on the ideal of slavery" or "Watergate was an important and unprecedented political scandal" or perhaps "Supply side economics actually didn't dramatically reduce inflation, which led to falling unemployment".

Meat Target · Sep 30, 2020

Homoerotic Cougar-kun said:
I like how Zyklon Ben, in a comic that does not need ANY LABELS at all (what else would this be about besides the first debate, and who else would that be but Wallace?) still feels the need to autistically annotate it. That has always been the funniest damn thing about him and I've always wondered whether he's just terrified of his work being misinterpreted or whether he thinks his readers are just too dumb to figure it out.

Did you know he did work for Alan Moore, of all people?

TFT-A9 · Sep 30, 2020

Meat Target said:
Did you know he did work for Alan Moore, of all people?
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what a magnificent clusterfuck lol

Getting tard comed · Sep 30, 2020

When did "niceness" become a virtue? Seriously, from where I'm sitting the worst thing about the gynocentric culture we have in the West is this elevation of nice. Idgaf if the president is nice. The weird thing is, this is the same attack vector used in 2016. "Trump's a bully, not a nice man" it didn't work in 2016 when he was doing it to a woman why in the world do they think it will work in 2020 now that he is doing it to a man?

Meat Target · Sep 30, 2020

Homoerotic Cougar-kun said:
what a magnificent clusterfuck lol

Also, is this not a perfect depiction of journoscum?

TFT-A9 · Sep 30, 2020

Getting tard comed said:
When did "niceness" become a virtue? Seriously, from where I'm sitting the worst thing about the gynocentric culture we have in the West is this elevation of nice. Idgaf if the president is nice. The weird thing is, this is the same attack vector used in 2016. "Trump's a bully, not a nice man" it didn't work in 2016 when he was doing it to a woman why in the world do they think it will work in 2020 now that he is doing it to a man?

I don't give a fuck about "nice". I give a fuck about "getting shit done" which is frequently DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to "nice".

Hollywood Hitler · Sep 30, 2020

OnlyFacingRear said:
Here is the Proud Boy theme song from a few years back. It gets stuck in my head every time I fucking hear it.

Proud of your boyyyyyyy

Jarolleon · Sep 30, 2020

It's HK-47 said:
I had to go back and re-watch that several more times, because of course I fucking did that doesn't surprise anyone. Two things that I'd want to lay out at the start would be that historically, Trump's always used the first debate he has against someone or someone(s) as exploratory. If you go back and watch the first round of debates for the RNC in 2016, and his first debate with Hillary, he always takes it 'lighter' than the follow-up debates because he's probing for the other person's style, or their weaknesses. Biden's weakness doesn't need to be repeated because he made that shit visible from space.

Two, these media companies have a vested interest in the spectacle, even FOX. They can't have it a completely one-sided ass-kicking carnival because that will depress viewership for follow-up debates, and they want to keep people cranked up to 11 and biting at their nails, because the media has no idea where to find morality in the English dictionary.

Those points aside: Biden proved what a weak candidate he really is by allowing Wallace to carry him through the entire debate. He didn't offer policies, he didn't offer serious rebuttals, he didn't offer solutions, he just stared at his feet mumbling "that's not true" when facing legitimate and easily-proven truths, or he let Wallace do all of the heavy lifting for him. Did anyone else notice that? Whenever something that Trump said was being rebutted with specifics, it came from Wallace. Joe Biden didn't do it even a single time; Wallace had to carry him, and Biden just let it happen, as if Wallace was some kind of helicopter mom trying to berate the teacher for giving her son a B-.

They also changed the rules smack in the middle of the debates. Originally, this was supposed to be 2-minute answers to each question, followed by a 15-minute open discussion between the two candidates. Every time that we got into the open discussion and Trump started hammering down on Biden with a criticism so specific that it sent him mumbling at his shoes again, Wallace jumped in to try and stop him. Not only that, but Wallace never leveled the same hard, specific critiques towards Biden that he was leveling at Trump all night.

He also offered absolutely no push-back against Biden when Biden touted shit like that "both sides" garbage, but big surprise: The media doesn't treat Trump very fairly. I know, we're all shocked.

By the time we'd made it to the third round of questions, the 15-minute discussion was almost completely abandoned in favour of a straight Q&A. Wallace was trying to forcibly rip away the strongest part of Trump's debate strategy, so if it felt like we were getting barely 30 seconds on a topic before Wallace shrieked, "Okay new topic!" as soon as Trump started landing hits, that's because it wasn't your imagination.

All-in-all, people are going to spit-shine the shoes of the political party they affiliate with the most, and none of us can possibly change anyone's mind, but I'm really fascinated by just how much of the work that Wallace had to take on tonight in Biden's stead. Biden did astonishingly little to specifically address anything that Trump was saying, he just kept telling him to shut up, kept calling him names, or kept bleating that this wasn't true, that's a lie, he's a liar, etc.

The actual policy debates took place between Wallace and Trump. Biden was just.. Kind of in the room when it happened.

The funny thing is Trump didn't even push back on that "very fine people" bullshit. It's like he was 100% focused on the attack the entire time, just to prevent Biden from having any room to get his focus-group tested talking points off.

TFT-A9 · Sep 30, 2020

Jarolleon said:
The funny thing is Trump didn't even push back on that "very fine people" bullshit. It's like he was 100% focused on the attack the entire time, just to prevent Biden from having any room to get his focus-group tested talking points off.

It's actually a good tactic. "No crutching on a playbook, Biden. Start demonstrating some actual personal conviction and backbone, or get walked on."

Astro Galactic Megalul · Sep 30, 2020

Getting tard comed said:
When did "niceness" become a virtue? Seriously, from where I'm sitting the worst thing about the gynocentric culture we have in the West is this elevation of nice. Idgaf if the president is nice. The weird thing is, this is the same attack vector used in 2016. "Trump's a bully, not a nice man" it didn't work in 2016 when he was doing it to a woman why in the world do they think it will work in 2020 now that he is doing it to a man?

At the risk of sounding autistic for quoting JBP:

"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control.”

Local Fed · Sep 30, 2020

Getting tard comed said:
When did "niceness" become a virtue? Seriously, from where I'm sitting the worst thing about the gynocentric culture we have in the West is this elevation of nice. Idgaf if the president is nice. The weird thing is, this is the same attack vector used in 2016. "Trump's a bully, not a nice man" it didn't work in 2016 when he was doing it to a woman why in the world do they think it will work in 2020 now that he is doing it to a man?

Leftists don't really care about "niceness". They want their opponents to be "nice" because in a way it looks submissive. It's similar with how they talk about civility. If you look around enough, especially with far left groups they'll mock white people (yes, they'll even make this a racial thing) and conservatives for "liking civility". They (the leftists) often imply that wanting civility is somehow a racial dogwhistle or something. These leftists, however, love it when someone on their side drops the nice act. Part of Bernie's appeal to them was that he could be gruff, and frankly I agree with them that he'd be a much better opponent on a debate stage when dealing with Trump (also because he's not got a Swiss cheese brain like Biden does).

They don't care about being nice when it means silencing dissent on social media, they don't care about it or civility when it comes to "punching Nazis", they don't care when it comes to socially acceptable bigotry (and we all know what that is in 2020) and they don't care about standards for the most part unless they're applying them to those who oppose them.

Trump's Chosen · Sep 30, 2020

‘No More Debates!’: Democrats Demand Cancellation Of Presidential Debates After Disastrous Biden Performance
‘That was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck’

Jamie White | Infowars.com - September 30, 2020 65 Comments

Image Credits: Mario Tama/Getty Images.

The mainstream media has concluded that Democrat candidate Joe Biden shouldn’t participate in any more presidential debates with Donald Trump.
Anchors from CNN, ABC, CBS, and MSNBC were all in disbelief over how badly the debate went for Biden.
“That was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck,” CNN anchor Jake Tapper said.
“That was a shit show,” added contributor Dana Bash.

CNN’s Jake Tapper: "That was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck.”
CNN’s Dana Bash: “That was a shitshow.”
CNN’s Abby Phillip: “It was a complete disaster.”pic.twitter.com/t1y1fTiK6b
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) September 30, 2020

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos called it the “worst presidential debate” he’s ever seen.

ABC’s George Stephanopoulus: “I have to speak personally here…that was the worst presidential debate I have ever seen in my life." #Debates2020 pic.twitter.com/AfngHIVmaE
— Chloe Salsameda WJBF (@ChloeSalsameda) September 30, 2020

Tapper even launched into a diatribe about how a 6th grade girl burst into tears and fled during the debate.

Jake Tapper says his friend’s 6th grade daughter “burst into tears, had to run to bed” because she was “so appalled” by Trump during debate. pic.twitter.com/uNiQVsYkES
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) September 30, 2020

Pretty soon the media and Hollywood concluded that Biden shouldn’t participate in another presidential debate with Trump.

SUPERCUT!
Media urge Biden: Just say no to more debates! pic.twitter.com/EUgtwbYidC
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) September 30, 2020

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “I wouldn’t be surprised, by the way, if this was the last presidential debate…” pic.twitter.com/M0qOhAXkYW
— Jewish Deplorable https://sneed.w.org/images/core/emoji/11/svg/1f1fa-1f1f8.svg (@TrumpJew) September 30, 2020

Democrat operatives and reporters from The Washington Post, The New York Times, Bloomberg News all parroted that talking point on Twitter.

This is a disgrace, a low point in American debate history. There is no reason, not one, that Joe Biden should participate in another debate.
— Joe Scarborough (@JoeNBC) September 30, 2020

There is NO reason there should be any more debates on the schedule. This was not a debate. The first hour was disgraceful. And here it goes again.
— Mika Brzezinski (@morningmika) September 30, 2020

"Should there be other debates," Cooper asks.
"I don't think the country is going to be yearning for another one of these," David Axelrod replies.
— Noah Rothman (@NoahCRothman) September 30, 2020

No more debates. Stop.
— howardfineman (@howardfineman) September 30, 2020

This sort of debate shouldn't happen in a democracy. pic.twitter.com/e2G7T1ltIF
— Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) September 30, 2020

I can never get that time back. #NoMoreDebates #Debate2020 pic.twitter.com/bG5u75RPtb
— Michelle Singletary (@SingletaryM) September 30, 2020

"The 90-minute spectacle tonight calls into question the value of having any 'debates' of this sort ever again. No one knows more about public life than he or she did before this disaster began; some people know less; and everyone feels and looks worse." https://t.co/CG03LieIMm
— David Gura (@davidgura) September 30, 2020

Dear Debate Commission: Fix the debate format (Penalty box? Mute button? Stun gun?) or cancel the next two. My column. https://t.co/yystmAZvGr
— Margaret Sullivan (@Sulliview) September 30, 2020

Chris Wallace isn’t the issue. No one could stop this train wreck. Not sure we need any more debates before Nov
— Aaron Randle (@aaronronel) September 30, 2020

.@morningmika has the answer. No more debates. 45 does not deserve to be heard. https://t.co/NCKALwW44i
— Jill Wine-Banks (@JillWineBanks) September 30, 2020

“The 90-minute spectacle last night calls into question the value of having any “debates” of this sort ever again. No one knows more about public life than he or she did before this disaster began; some people know less; and everyone feels and looks worse.”
— bettemidler (@BetteMidler) September 30, 2020

"Let Tuesday night have been Trump’s final, disreputable appearance on a nationally televised stage. Let him conduct the rest of his campaign desperately yelling to crowds of true believers as his defeat grows ever nearer." https://t.co/Iobc4fkE11
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) September 30, 2020

No more ‘debates’! That was bullshit.
— Rick Tyler-Still Right (@rickwtyler) September 30, 2020

We need the heavy hitters on Twitter to make this trend.#NoMoreDebates
— Eddie Rodriguez https://sneed.w.org/images/core/emoji/11/svg/1f9e2.svghttps://sneed.w.org/images/core/emoji/11/svg/1f1f5-1f1f7.svghttps://sneed.w.org/images/core/emoji/11/svg/1f30a.svg (@Eddiiiiiiie_) September 30, 2020

No more debates. We’re hurting enough.
— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) September 30, 2020

This is useless. No more debates.
— Zach Braff (@zachbraff) September 30, 2020

The next presidential debate is scheduled to take place in Miami, Florida on October 15, at 9:00 PM EST.

President Trump catches Joe Biden in two lies about Hunter Biden and Ukraine.

https://www.infowars.com/no-more-debates-democrats-demand-cancellation-of-presidential-debates-after-disastrous-biden-performance/

https://archive.vn/G3kJs

A new kind of avant-garde journalism!

Astro Galactic Megalul · Sep 30, 2020

Local Fed said:
Leftists don't really care about "niceness". They want their opponents to be "nice" because in a way it looks submissive. It's similar with how they talk about civility. If you look around enough, especially with far left groups they'll mock white people (yes, they'll even make this a racial thing) and conservatives for "liking civility". They (the leftists) often imply that wanting civility is somehow a racial dogwhistle or something. These leftists, however, love it when someone on their side drops the nice act. Part of Bernie's appeal to them was that he could be gruff, and frankly I agree with them that he'd be a much better opponent on a debate stage when dealing with Trump (also because he's not got a Swiss cheese brain like Biden does).

They don't care about being nice when it means silencing dissent on social media, they don't care about it or civility when it comes to "punching Nazis", they don't care when it comes to socially acceptable bigotry (and we all know what that is in 2020) and they don't care about standards for the most part unless they're applying them to those who oppose them.

I applaud you for somehow managing to navigate mental illness that is progressivism.

RockPaper · Sep 30, 2020

Local Fed said:
Leftists don't really care about "niceness". They want their opponents to be "nice" because in a way it looks submissive. It's similar with how they talk about civility. If you look around enough, especially with far left groups they'll mock white people (yes, they'll even make this a racial thing) and conservatives for "liking civility".

This is exactly the same attitude they take with the concept of "bipartisanship". To Democrats, "bipartisanship" only means Republicans sacrificing their principles to agree to something Democrats want. One of the reasons they conditionally loved McCain.

Munchingonfish · Sep 30, 2020

I'd ban InfoWars off my platform if they posted articles that were 90% Twitter embeds.

Trump's Chosen · Sep 30, 2020

Munchingonfish said:
I'd ban InfoWars off my platform if they posted articles that were 90% Twitter embeds.

I bet you still send faxes, neanderthal

Duke Nukem · Sep 30, 2020

It would be funny as hell but unless you have a source other than Infowars I'm going to have to doubt this one.

I bet you bought the Super Male Vitality and water filters from his website too. AJ is, however, a legend for the comedy and memes he delivers.

US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

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