2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[spiritofamermaid]

Liberals act smug when they win. They don't go full tard rage mode (or maybe they are in perpetual anger mode since Trump won? ). Thinking that Biden won handily woud've had them being "heh. Can't wait till the next debate Drumpth. I'll bring the flowers to your funeral." They saw something that is causing them to shit themselves in anger, and that it was not the Biden blowout they wanted.

BTW Kyle's lawyer did respond. He is pissed.
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Hopefully this won't run into the same situation wrt Covington and Warren, since politicians are "somehow exempt" from defamation. I get why, but it really pisses me off when they can get away with it.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Holy shit what am I looking at.

I can see why independents are so jaded from getting trash on both sides of the aisle.

 

[Lemmingwise]

This. Not to mention that that was during a time when a small group of white nationalists ran a stupid fucking event in one city that while it killed a woman, didn't spill over into all out anarchy and rioting/looting. We literally have groups of antifaggots looting and rioting many cities across the country now and trying to make their way into the suburbs. But Drumpft said something out of context 3 YEARS AGO. That's what matters now. Shit like this is why pothead Joe Rogan would have been a better moderator than that weasel-facced faggot Wallace: he never would have backed down from any of his questions, never would have debated with or done interference for the candidates while reigning them in if necessary, ask questions that most people are asking and generally control the situation better. I can't wait till these TV corporate faggots lose their jobs.

But that's why they didn't ask Joe.

Though to be honest, Joe will say whatever his network needs him to say. Even with his podcast succes, you don't stay on top of the game for that long in media unless you're willing to play ball.

 

[Harvey Danger]

The Commission on Presidential Debates is annoyed that everyone called last night the worst debate ever, and is changing the format for the next two debates.

 

[Meat Target]

The Commission on Presidential Debates is annoyed that everyone called last night the worst debate ever, and is changing the format for the next two debates.

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>Chris Wallace showed professionalism
I wanna bite a chunk out of my desk.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Chris Wallace shouldn't even have a job in journalism at this point.

Fuck him.

Also, I have AdBlock on almost at all times. I especially have it on YouTube. Yet, I'm still getting Joe Biden ads today. Interesting!

 

[Iceland Heavy]

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https://grrrgraphics.com/trump-vs-wallace-first-2020-presidential-debate/ (https://archive.vn/GCOXb)

Spoiler: Ben's text

“I guess I’m debating you, not him, but that’s okay.”

This is what Trump said to Chris Wallace when he criticized him for not having a plan to replace Obamacare. Wallace also served up many questions helpful to Biden—such as asking Trump why he said there were ‘fine people on both sides in Charlottesville.’ Similar to the debates with Hillary, the setup was against Trump, but he clearly won the debate against both Joe Biden and the moderator. The short answer format was designed for interruptions and we got those in spades. Trump needed to interrupt to assert himself against the Deep State narrative.

Although both candidates interrupted each other throughout the debate, Wallace attempted to silence Trump more than Biden. At times I felt the president shouldn’t interrupt and simply allow Joe to blabber. The more Biden goes on and on, the worse he sounds. Joe particularly can’t handle numbers. His memory remains shot even if he was pumped up on peppy substances for the debate.

Joe’s coaches must have told him to stonewall when it came to difficult questions. Joe DID call troops ‘stupid bastards.’ I saw it on a video. Yet Biden stated, “I did not say that.” He also said his son’s windfall deals with China and Ukraine weren’t true. Joe was right about his son Hunter not being dishonorably discharged for his cocaine use in the Navy, but Hunter did receive a less than honorable discharge. Biden DID help his son during his vice presidency. That’s a proven fact that Joe denied. Apparently Joe’s strategy was to lie his way out of any uncomfortable situation. When pressed, he called the president a ‘clown.’ Ad hominem attacks are a sure sign of a debate loser.

Joe’s base includes socialists and progressives, but he denied his support for the Green New Deal or planning to give out universal health care. He said he supports the police, as long as they bring along psychiatrists and sociologists to prevent any violence toward citizens. Feelings are important to Joe. The country must learn to respect hurt feelings in order to change systemic racism. I don’t recall a right to not getting one’s feelings hurt in our Constitution.

Joe also claimed he was the voice of the Democrat Party. Trump retorted, “Not according to Kamala.” Trump had the superior improvised zingers. He helped separate Joe from his leftist base. Without them, he has nothing but Deep State backing. In other words, Biden can do nothing but harm himself in further debates. That’s why we many not see another one.

Joe is better off staying in his basement.

—Ben Garrison

Copying my post over from the debate thread:

It was interesting to me that Biden tried to weakly deny Hunter's transgressions and even tried to do a moment of righteous anger when he 'mistook' Beau for Hunter (whether he's so senile that that's a genuine mistake on his part or the DNC telling him to do it as a emotional deflection is another question). But when Trump misattributes a much more easily disproven quote to him he just kind of bows his head and takes it.

 

[Donald Trump's Neck Vag]

Biden's probably gonna win the election lmao.

I get that this might be a shock to a lot of my fellow autists on here, but the vast majority of people (who aren't plugged into this culture war nonsense) don't give a shit about "MUH ANTEEEFA" and screeching about Biden's son. In the same way that Hillary ranting about Trump's personal indiscretions had zero impact on him.

Trump didn't win the election because a bunch of right-wing culture warriors on the internet thought he was based and redpilled, he won it because he was able to energize older voters in a handful of states that the Clinton campaign arrogantly took for granted and neglected. He was underestimated and he ran an excellent campaign and he was rewarded for it.

It seems like Trump's making a lot of the same mistakes Hillary did in 2016 tbh. More interestingly, you're seeing Trump fans regurgitate a lot of the rhetoric that Hillary supporters were spewing back in the day too. "Oh! He made a gaffe and said something stupid! THIS'll be the thing that finally kills off that senile old man!"

inb4 "akshually drumph is playing 4D chess! he's running a piss poor campaign on PURPOSE!"

 

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The Commission on Presidential Debates is annoyed that everyone called last night the worst debate ever, and is changing the format for the next two debates.

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Imagine last night's mess only Wallace would have the ability to silence Trump at will. This will, of course, not be used against Biden.

 

[UselessIdiot]

Biden's probably gonna win the election lmao.

I get that this might be a shock to a lot of my fellow autists on here, but the vast majority of people (who aren't plugged into this culture war nonsense) don't give a shit about "MUH ANTEEEFA" and screeching about Biden's son. In the same way that Hillary ranting about Trump's personal indiscretions had zero impact on him.

Trump didn't win the election because a bunch of right-wing culture warriors on the internet thought he was based and redpilled, he won it because he was able to energize older voters in a handful of states that the Clinton campaign arrogantly took for granted and neglected. He was underestimated and he ran an excellent campaign and he was rewarded for it.

It seems like Trump's making a lot of the same mistakes Hillary did in 2016 tbh. More interestingly, you're seeing Trump fans regurgitate a lot of the rhetoric that Hillary supporters were spewing back in the day too. "Oh! He made a gaffe and said something stupid! THIS'll be the thing that finally kills off that senile old man!"

inb4 "akshually drumph is playing 4D chess! he's running a piss poor campaign on PURPOSE!"

Biden's campaign is worse than Hillary's. His support is very soft and unenthusiastic and his ground game's severely lacking, and he's not getting out and campaigning like she did. I know Trump isn't some perfect candidate and has made plenty of mistakes, but Biden is relying solely on not being Trump to carry him to victory.

You really need to give people a reason to vote for you other than not being the other guy. I can't think of a single presidential election where that has worked. Even though Biden's favored in the odds right now, the confidence of victory is a lot lower than Clinton's was. I'm thinking many people won't ultimately end up showing up to vote for Biden, just because he's that lackluster.

 

[GuntPunt]

Biden's probably gonna win the election lmao.

I get that this might be a shock to a lot of my fellow autists on here, but the vast majority of people (who aren't plugged into this culture war nonsense) don't give a shit about "MUH ANTEEEFA" and screeching about Biden's son. In the same way that Hillary ranting about Trump's personal indiscretions had zero impact on him.

Trump didn't win the election because a bunch of right-wing culture warriors on the internet thought he was based and redpilled, he won it because he was able to energize older voters in a handful of states that the Clinton campaign arrogantly took for granted and neglected. He was underestimated and he ran an excellent campaign and he was rewarded for it.

It seems like Trump's making a lot of the same mistakes Hillary did in 2016 tbh. More interestingly, you're seeing Trump fans regurgitate a lot of the rhetoric that Hillary supporters were spewing back in the day too. "Oh! He made a gaffe and said something stupid! THIS'll be the thing that finally kills off that senile old man!"

inb4 "akshually drumph is playing 4D chess! he's running a piss poor campaign on PURPOSE!"

He is actually campaigning. He is going to Duluth, MN today. Hillary's downfall was hubris and not going to the Rust Belt the amount she needed. He is already not following Clinton's fatal flaw.

Trend wise, that also doesn't make sense. Republicans are dominating registrations across multiple swing states. He also has a giant political machine to get out the vote now.

This election is going to come down to turning out your base and voter fraud. He CAN still lose, but comparing him now and Clinton in 2016 is just not accurate.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Biden's probably gonna win the election lmao.

I get that this might be a shock to a lot of my fellow autists on here, but the vast majority of people (who aren't plugged into this culture war nonsense) don't give a shit about "MUH ANTEEEFA" and screeching about Biden's son. In the same way that Hillary ranting about Trump's personal indiscretions had zero impact on him.

Trump didn't win the election because a bunch of right-wing culture warriors on the internet thought he was based and redpilled, he won it because he was able to energize older voters in a handful of states that the Clinton campaign arrogantly took for granted and neglected. He was underestimated and he ran an excellent campaign and he was rewarded for it.

It seems like Trump's making a lot of the same mistakes Hillary did in 2016 tbh. More interestingly, you're seeing Trump fans regurgitate a lot of the rhetoric that Hillary supporters were spewing back in the day too. "Oh! He made a gaffe and said something stupid! THIS'll be the thing that finally kills off that senile old man!"

inb4 "akshually drumph is playing 4D chess! he's running a piss poor campaign on PURPOSE!"

Not gonna lie, that is something I'm genuinely concerned about is Trump and his base making the same mistakes Hillary did in 2016 but I'll give Trump credit for doing the big rallies in the major battleground states.

I still think the odds are in Trump's favor because of two reasons: Biden's got no real energy or support for him and Kamala is downright unlikeable across the board, especially among the key black voter demographic and Tulsi Gabbard sank her in the primaries right out the gate using her own record against her. But if Trump does win, it's going to be a very close one.

Hillary was unlikeable as fuck and she campaigned on the tired "I'm not the other guy/Generic Democrat" platform but there was some genuine enthusiasm for her even if it was only because of "muh first woman president" mixed in with Trump being an unknown in terms of politics at the time.

The "muh Antifa" issue is probably going to be a bigger thing than you think, but it's got nothing to do with the culture wars online. It's entirely down to the riots, some of the worst happening in key states. Still, the MSM has been doing everything they can to mitigate the damage and keep the normies vaguely sympathetic.

However, we can't get complacent and if Trump can win, it's going to be a narrow one any way you slice it

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

This election is going to come down to turning out your base and voter fraud. He CAN still lose, but comparing him now and Clinton in 2016 is just not accurate.

Frankly, I'd say Biden's campaign is closer to Hillary's; his rallies are small (granted, he can use the coof as an excuse), he visits states even less frequently than Hillary did, and in general adopts a preachy, holier-than-thou attitude towards the country. I still think the outcome of the election is largely going to boil down to whether or not the virus has another resurgence and whether or not Trump gets all the blame for how hard the virus has hit us.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

https://twitter.com/YongYea/status/1311142795973861382

Yong decided to stir the hornet's nest because of the debate.
What is it with people with TDS always swearing like a sailor? I keep picturing them spitting everywhere they are so mad.

 

[heyitsmike]

I'm genuinely concerned about is Trump and his base making the same mistakes Hillary did in 2016

Please, please point me to a Trump supporter, any Trump supporter saying, "I'm not gonna bother to vote because we already got this in the bag."

I'm still waiting for someone to point out these mythical complacent Trump supporters.

 

[RockPaper]

I'm still waiting for someone to point out these mythical complacent Trump supporters.

I didn't give two shits about any of this in 2016, didn't vote for Trump, and yet in the middle of October I'm going to be there for the first day of early voting.

There definitely seems to be an assumption that Trump's voters are less motivated...why? Because he's the incumbent? That's it? Doesn't make sense at all. If the screeching behavior of Trump's enemies don't make Trump voters motivated, nothing could. The fear that all the people with the knives out for Trump who tried to sandbag him with bullshit for four years might succeed? That should motivate anybody on that side to make sure it doesn't happen.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Frankly, I'd say Biden's campaign is closer to Hillary's; his rallies are small (granted, he can use the coof as an excuse), he visits states even less frequently than Hillary did, and in general adopts a preachy, holier-than-thou attitude towards the country. I still think the outcome of the election is largely going to boil down to whether or not the virus has another resurgence and whether or not Trump gets all the blame for how hard the virus has hit us.

Let's remember, Biden generally doesn't promote his events. The people who show up tend to be very local - they saw people setting up and stopped to see what's going on. When the campaign does send out alerts, it tends to be about a couple hours beforehand.

When he has announced his events in advance, hecklers show up. They tend to outnumber regular attendees by a large margin.

So event attendance is probably a poor measure of overall popularity. The DNC is looking to maximize voter enthusiasm without having to leave the house. Here's hoping the average Dem voter can't fill out their ballot (which is possible) and that the ballot harvesting schemes don't amount to much.

As far as attitudes go... I've seen various polls that indicate most voters don't believe Trump handled the virus very well but also ones that indicate they don't think it's his fault. The data is murky on whether people actually blame him or not. My gut tells me most people are looking at their local elected officials when they think about the virus and they're thinking about quality of life - can I go out without a mask, when was the last time I went to a bar, am I able to go to my vacation home.

The strongest attitudinal data I've seen is about violence in the streets. People burning down cities doesn't sit well with Americans. The only question is who do they hold accountable. There's been enough rhetoric about white supremacists that a certain percentage of normies are going to blame them, but I'm not convinced it's a large number (or even a majority.) I think the average person gets the fact there's protests going on during the day and rioters coming out at night, and it's Dem officials who refuse to hold them accountable.

I fucking hate ANTIFA. They lie, make everyone else into a liar, and have politicians trying to sidestep the issues to avoid getting on their bad side. This is not going to end well.

 

[Syaoran Li]

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Please, please point me to a Trump supporter, any Trump supporter saying, "I'm not gonna bother to vote because we already got this in the bag."

I'm still waiting for someone to point out these mythical complacent Trump supporters.

Maybe I should've been more clear. I think his base is more energized than ever but it's the more independent voters I'm worried about. There's a good chance they'll just stay home and that depressed turnout could make Democrat voter fraud efforts far more likely to succeed.

It's gonna be a close one, I can tell you that.

 

[RockPaper]

As far as attitudes go... I've seen various polls that indicate most voters don't believe Trump handled the virus very well but also ones that indicate they don't think it's his fault. The data is murky on whether people actually blame him or not. My gut tells me most people are looking at their local elected officials when they think about the virus and they're thinking about quality of life - can I go out without a mask, when was the last time I went to a bar, am I able to go to my vacation home.

My wife personally dislikes Trump, but she absolutely blames our Governor much more for the continuing COVID shitshow. I can't assume she's typical, but I have a hunch she is.

 

[GuntPunt]

Maybe I should've been more clear. I think his base is more energized than ever but it's the more independent voters I'm worried about. There's a good chance they'll just stay home and that depressed turnout could make Democrat voter fraud efforts far more likely to succeed.

It's gonna be a close one, I can tell you that.

Romney won independent voters by 7 points nationwide and still lost. It isn't that simple, its more about state by state dynamics.

Also, PA really likes their fossil fuels. And why the fuck is Biden only going to swing states to give pizza and beer or some shit to police and firefighters? Is he auditioning for President or Pizza Hut?