US Vice Presidental Debate - Cop vs Neocon

WELCOME TO THE 2020 VICE PRESIDENT DEBATE!!!
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Time: Starts at 6pm-7:30pm PST / 8pm CST-9:30pm CST / 9pm-10:30pm EST

Where to watch:

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Location: University of Utah in Salt Lake City

Moderator: Susan Page, the Washington bureau chief for USA Today


A new campaign front on Covid-19​

It is difficult to overstate how much this debate has been shaped by the Covid-19 pandemic, from President Trump’s hospitalization with the disease to the last-minute skirmish between the Biden and Trump camps over whether Mr. Pence — who has interacted with White House advisers who have since tested positive for the coronavirus — should stand behind a protective plexiglass screen.
Mr. Pence, as the head of White House task force on the coronavirus, will presumably be pressed to account for the faltering White House response to a pandemic that has killed over 200,000 people in the United States. Since returning from the hospital, Mr. Trump has sought to recast the entire discussion on the pandemic, arguing that the virus is in fact not that serious and that Americans should continue to live their lives.
Will Mr. Pence carry Mr. Trump’s argument to Ms. Harris and the American public Wednesday night? Many polls suggest that it defies the fears of most Americans struggling to navigate the pandemic.
Mr. Pence is also likely to be pressed to defend Mr. Trump’s actions since his illness was diagnosed — leaving the hospital against the counsel of many medical professionals, minimizing the threat of the virus and dramatically removing his mask when he returned to the White House. The president has offered himself as evidence that Covid-19 can be beaten; does Mr. Pence agree with that?

For Mr. Pence, it’s not simply a matter of embracing an argument that the president thinks might help him win re-election. This is almost certainly Mr. Trump’s last campaign. At 61, Mr. Pence is looking at continuing his career in politics. How he handles those questions could end up defining him for a long time.

How does Harris finesse attacking Trump?​

Vice-presidential candidates have only two things to accomplish in a debate: Defend the person at the top of your ticket. And attack the person at the top of the opposition ticket.
But that basic rule of thumb got a little more tricky for Ms. Harris. With Mr. Trump’s Covid-19 diagnosis and him just being back at the White House after three nights in a hospital, harsh attacks against an ailing president might be politically unwise. The Biden campaign pulled down its negative advertising attacking Mr. Trump as soon as he disclosed his diagnosis. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has stepped carefully in talking about the president.

Ms. Harris, a former prosecutor and a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has established her credentials as a tough interrogator with her questioning of officials like William P. Barr, the attorney general. She knows how to make a case. But can she attack Mr. Trump’s handling of the virus — which has come to define his presidency — without veering toward an overly personal attack on a president battling a potentially lethal disease?

It means threading a needle. Ms. Harris was an inconsistent debater during the Democratic primary — she had some good moments, and some not-so-good moments before she dropped out. She has never stepped onto a this prominent a stage.

How does Harris handle going off script?​

Ms. Harris, most often remembered for her “that little girl was me” debate moment with Mr. Biden during the primary, is talented at delivering the slashing-when-prepared debate lines. That is, after all, the same skill set that she developed as a prosecutor and that elevated her during Senate committee hearings to star status among Democrats as she has bore in on Republican witnesses.

To that end, Ms. Harris arrived in Salt Lake City last Friday — the same day Mr. Trump was checked into the hospital — to begin her on-the-ground debate preparations. Karen Dunn, who readied Senator Tim Kaine to debate against Mr. Pence four years ago, is leading those efforts, which have also included Rohini Kosoglu, Symone Sanders and Liz Allen. Pete Buttigieg, who has played the role of Mr. Pence in Ms. Harris’s preparations, was spotted in town as well.
But debates are not set pieces and Ms. Harris will have to defend not just her own record but also Mr. Biden’s — and no candidate can be prepared for every eventuality, no matter how many index cards she studies, especially in 2020.
“This time it will be about requiring some level of knowledge — if not mastery — of Joe’s record, the Vice President Mike Pence’s record, Trump’s record and then of course defending my own record,” Ms. Harris said on Hillary Clinton’s podcast last week. “So that’s different.’’
Notably, Mr. Biden has undertaken some public rehearsals for his debates, including two televised town halls. Ms. Harris has been mostly cloistered since joining the ticket. The debate will be, by far, the most freewheeling exchanges of her time as vice-presidential candidate.

How race and gender play​

Mrs. Clinton, the only woman to serve as a major-party presidential nominee, warned Ms. Harris, in so many words, about the corrosive role that sexism will play onstage.

“You should also be prepared for the slights, the efforts to diminish you, you personally, you as a woman, who is about to be our next vice president,” Mrs. Clinton said on her podcast. “So I do think there will be a lot of maneuvering on the other side to try to put you in a box.”

Academic studies have shown that women face different barriers in terms of public perception, and Ms. Harris is not just a woman but also the first woman of color on a major-party ticket.

Jennifer Lawless, a professor of politics at the University of Virginia who has studied gender dynamics, said that women generally had to show they were capable of standing up to “being bullied” but that Ms. Harris faced an extra hurdle.
“Because she is also a woman of color, she also has to walk that ‘Don’t look too angry’ line,” Ms. Lawless said. “These are cliché. But they’re cliché because they’re true.”
The mild-mannered Mr. Pence is unlikely to bully or even directly broach any gendered lines the way Mr. Trump might. But the impact of audience perception remains.
For months, the Trump campaign has tried to raise doubts about Mr. Biden’s fitness while attempting to cast Ms. Harris as its true foil, the real — and more liberal — power center in a potential Biden White House.
“She symbolizes everything that ‘Make America Great Again’ wants to push back on by virtue of being a Black woman,” Ms. Lawless said.

Attack or defend?​

In 2016, Mr. Pence had a clear three-step strategy every time his vice-presidential rival, Mr. Kaine, attacked Mr. Trump. He offered a quick defense of Mr. Trump (Step 1); moved quickly to talk about the aspirations of a Trump presidency (Step 2); and swung into an attack on the Democrats (Step 3).
But striking the balance between attack and defend could be a particular challenge for Mr. Pence this time.
For one thing, after four years, there’s more to defend. This would have been a much different debate nine months ago, when Mr. Pence could have talked about the humming economy, job growth and a generally confident electorate. Now, Mr. Pence is going to be talking about the pandemic, the failure so far of Congress and the White House to come up with a stimulus plan and an economy that has gone off the rails.
For another, Mr. Trump has not had much luck attacking Mr. Biden so far; the former vice president has proved an elusive target, certainly when compared with Mrs. Clinton. Perhaps Mr. Pence will have more success.
But he has a third task as well: attacking Ms. Harris. Mr. Trump’s efforts at portraying Ms. Harris as a stalking horse for more liberal policies, who would be the power behind a Biden presidency, has resonated with the right. But those voters were already with Mr. Trump. The task for Mr. Pence is to make them resonate with any remaining undecided voters.

A preview of 2024?​

Almost every vice-presidential debate is about two elections at once: the current one and the one that will follow — because so many vice presidents, and vice-presidential candidates, eventually run for president. (A quick recent list: John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, George H.W. Bush, Al Gore and, of course, Mr. Biden.)
This face-off is especially significant because of how soon both Mr. Pence and Ms. Harris could be leading their parties, given the ages of Mr. Trump (74) and Mr. Biden (77) and the specter of the coronavirus, from which Mr. Trump continues to recover.

Mr. Biden has already talked about himself as a “bridge” to the next generation of Democratic leaders. If he wins, he will be enabling Ms. Harris to cross that bridge as the first among equals among Democrats vying for that leadership mantle.
Mr. Trump has evinced no interest in transitioning out of power or the spotlight, but Mr. Pence is widely believed to have presidential ambitions of his own. The former governor of Indiana has treated his vice presidency mostly as an exercise — often a difficult one — to maintain zero political daylight between himself and Mr. Trump. But plenty of other Republicans are already circling around the 2024 election and seeking the mantle of Trumpism; Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas has been building his profile, and the former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley was recently in New Hampshire.

Competitors:

Senator Kamala Harris

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Vice President Mike Pence
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After the debates a poll will be posted on who you think won this debate. Just as a reminder, on October 15th there will be a Second Presidential debate providing that Trump can make it still, although I doubt Biden or his team would feel comfortable with Trump in the room. Have fun.


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You know the Debate was bad for the Democrats if Hogan is arguing with people about FOX cartoons.

Do we have an accurate tally of speaking time? Pence spoke over the moderator a lot, but it feels like Harris spoke more. Wondering if it's just my bias.
 
Kamala won, Pence had to rely on making up stuff about Biden and not talking about the issues. Pence just can't keep up and kept confusing policies. Weak on both sides but Pence certainly lost.
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Congrats on finding a picture that perfectly sums up how retarded you are without needing a single word.

By the way, he's Canadian. :story:
 
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Remember like two hours ago when a bunch of journalists were saying that Pence didn't even prepare for the debates

Good times.
Pence is predictably competent at a certain level whenever given the mic. No one should be surprised when Pence pulls a Pence.

After this debate everyone should feel safe in knowing exactly how Kamala will now perform. She's proved to be 100% fake. Whereas Pence pushed aside his prepared political talking points to address her and have a dialogue, she refused, she was unable to do anything but robotically spout prepared lines. She really would be the worst president we've ever had, but the media would paint her as Saint Obama the Second.
 
It was a slow, crushing victory, which is why I think some people are less impressed than they should be with Pence. It was light on "yaaas kween" moments and was more of a slow smothering.
She thinks she’ll be the president as soon as the election is over.
She's not wrong if she wins, which I'd still say is more likely than not.
Biden should have just went with Tulsi for his VP picks, fits both Woman and POC shit he signed up for but doesn't have the condescension that Harris has that gives a burn out high school teacher a run for his money.
Well for one he would have to be in the same room with her alone, so that's a no from jump.
I watched the debate on abc news and within 30 seconds of it being over they put up a close-up of Mike Pence's face on the screen, they said it looked like he had pink eye! Un fucking believable!!! It looked like a broken blood vessel from sneezing too hard or something like that. How pathetic and desperate do you have to be to a. spot that b. crop the photo c. make the accusation?!?!? They called the White House a "hot bed" for coronavirus before the debate, like, I'm sure. These people are crazy.

Your network is a "hot bed" for AIDS. faggots.
Or you know from air travel which he probably does on a near daily basis around this time of the election cycle.
Shut up, faggot. BB was pretty good in its first few seasons (2-4 was the peak). It only became boring when it decided to focus more on the kids.

Bob's Burgers > Home Movies
Bob's Burgers basically only reminds me of my BPD ex and all my stunted maturity pothead friends from college who couldn't be bothered to find something more interesting to watch or do. Pretty meh show. I don't get the hype.
 
Not to sell it, but Pence looked a helluva lot like Ronald Reagan in his better days tonight. Just the right mixture of cornball patriotic love of America and the ability to politely pull the chair out from under their opponent and beating them with it while smiling calmly

That's what I've said before. Pence is like an amalgam of TV and Movie Presidents.

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Hulk I never thought your posts were bad or anything, but Bob's burgers is really fucking boring. It's like, if home movies became insanely gay, got AIDS and died.

I like it. It's like King of the Hill. Nothing really makes me break down laughing or anything, but it's consistently entertaining for the most part.
 
Pence has ten years experience in radio, and people were acting like he was going to get rolled by someone who is used to talking at people who can't defend themselves. Truth is, the game was rigged from the start. Just not how they planned it.
I knew he'd steamroll Kamala in a debate, I just didn't know if he'd have to debate the moderator as well. I wasn't expecting Kamala to self-immolate on her own record though.
 
How hard was it to tell her not to act smug?

Especially when your opponent is a respectful man.

It plays well with the demographic they're going for: the young twitter "YAS KWEEN" millennials and zoomers. They want insults, snideness, and rudeness (as long as it's coming from their side, it's in their whole concept of "punching up" where they're always the ones lower down). Harris's whole performance tonight was designed to get squealy tweets and fawning pictures posted by that coveted 18-30 crowd the Dems are chasing hardcore, to the point of ignoring their reliable older voting bases.

But like I said earlier, those are exactly the sorts of people that don't watch a vice presidential debate. If it's not about slamming Trump, specifically, they really don't care. (Which is probably a big reason Harris was trying to debate an invisible Trump instead of Pence for most of the night.) The twitter crowd will take their talking points from Bluecheck-senpai tomorrow morning with a lot of retweeting and yas kween, and there will be not a single change in the number of them that actually vote.
 
Now wait a minute.

You said that you skipped out on a big portion of the first presidential debate in the thread on the subject, as you had errands to do or some shit, yet you still somehow managed a very strong opinion on the subject, despite not even having fully watched it by your own admission. Yet here, during the second presidential debate, you just now don't have a strong opinion either way on it, because it was "boring" so you (conveniently) just decided to skip it.

That sounds like bullshit.

Lol what is my strong opinion about the debate, other than that I was bored five minutes in so I switched channels? What did I post that showed a strong opinion? All I said was that liberals will say Harris won and conservatives will say Pence won because that happens every debate. I voted for the fly winning the debate because that picture is hilarious
 
Well that was about what I expected. Pence isnt Trump, doesnt talk like him or act like him so the same tactics dont work. Now here, the dems did indeed use different, more respectful language but it was still the same shitburger of lies or half truths that Kamala is not charismatic or famous enough to get people to bite. I watched the Pence/Kaine debate and that one was actually way more embarrassing as Kaine was best described as a sweaty used car salesman. Kamala I think kept making that face to try and look like she wasnt trying to show emotion too much but doesnt have the ability to do so naturally. It looks like a kid who wants to stay mad trying not to laugh.

All in all perfectly adequate and expected on Pence's part and Kamala didnt shit the bed so there you have it.
 
Lol what is my strong opinion about the debate, other than that I was bored five minutes in so I switched channels? What did I post that showed a strong opinion? All I said was that liberals will say Harris won and conservatives will say Pence won because that happens every debate. I voted for the fly winning the debate because that picture is hilarious
I never said that you showed a strong opinion on the debate. I only implied that you wanted to give off the appearance of not having one. Learn to read.
 
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