So I'm automatically some big criminal because I have the radical idea that if we get rid of legal abortion it won't get rid of the demand for abortion? Why do you even care about abortion? I doubt a natal woman would let your unprotected dick anywhere near them.
Stabbing people is illegal, using guns for crime is illegal. This comparison doesn't even work unless people were trying to make the tools used for abortions illegal.
Yeah, that's a real tricky one isn't it? The straightforwardly logical answer would be no rape exception but that feels cruel to the woman.
Illegal doesn't actually stop people from doing things (my main point here). It just gives a way to discourage the practice, and actively charge or punish people. Drugs being illegal, for example, doesn't stop people from using drugs. the "war on drugs" has had literally no effect on decreasing drug use. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Even after trillions have been spent to curb drug use.
Banning murder doesn't prevent murder so...?
I know you think this is some kind of "gotcha" but quite frankly, these kind of crimes aren't necessary to make legal ever, for any reason. There is no good argument to make these legal.
If you believe there are tons of arguments abortion should be legal, that's the same (to me) as saying some murder should be legal. I don't see how your argument that there are a lot of arguments people make in favor of abortion changes anything.
the argument is not that Jews are criminals and therefore they should be killed. The argument is "no matter how many good jews there are there will always be descendants of them who hold a grudge against Europeans." It's like how even though your (not your parents) parents didn't want to genocide black people you (not you) want to kill them. I don't like genocide because it decreases the amount of diversity in the world. Trust me, I love diversity, just not when it's on my doorstep.
It may vary a bit from state to state, but at least in my state, you can go to the Family Planning clinic at the local health department to get your pap and pills, and as far as I know, parents do not have to be involved or give consent. The costs are sliding scale, so if you earn nothing, you pay nothing. They also give out condoms for free.
Well shit I never knew those kinds of places exist. Would've been nice if those existed in bumfuck texas but that'd be asking too much from that state. Their solution was to teach abstinence to 8th graders and half the girls ended up pregnant anyway in high school or immediately after.
What kind of fetus? Goat? Dog?
Neither are you. Neither is a sleeping person. Why is this the essential point to you? I thought it was being born? Why are you changing your argument suddenly? Which one do you actually believe? Do you actually believe anything?
No retard. It's that the child is a human being. Murdering unwanted children is still murder.
It's actually shocking that you can type this sentence with zero self awareness.
YOU SHOULD ASSUME THAT IF IT'S UNWANTED TOO
Why should ANYTHING be free for those who can't afford it?
I see no way in which they can be reconciled.
Whether the baby is wanted or not is categorically irrelevant. It is double homicide either way. Homicide doesn't stop being homicide when it's a contract killing. People don't stop being people when their mother doesn't love them.
I would not be willing to just accept a moral failing in myself. It's sad that you are.
Every single definition they offer for "Human" is ridiculous and has a very clear deliberately made gap over fetuses. They're putting their baby-murdering cart before the rational horse. It's post-hoc rationalization, not their actual reasoning for having their position. I doubt they have any actual reasoning other than "I want to."
"Banning murder and driving it underground into the world of abusive criminals (gangs, drug pushers, human traffickers), has worse consequences than allowing legal and regulated access to hitmen."
If I can apply your argument somewhere else where you don't want it to be applied, that is a very strong counterargument. It shows that your reasoning doesn't actually hold up, because if it did you would apply it absolutely everywhere it can be applied. You are engaging in special pleading, saying that this case is different without satisfactorily saying why. Your argument of "Making X illegal doesn't actually discourage X, so we shouldn't make it illegal," applies to LITERALLY EVERYTHING ILLEGAL. In order to actually make that argument without being a hypocrite you would have to be an abject anarchist, opposed to laws universally.
Like what? Explain to me why murdering your child SHOULD be legal.
I agree, and yet here you are saying we should legalize murdering children.
You do.
No I didn't?
I don't see the supposed contradiction, even if I held your first view. The chemical composition of the pill is irrelevant, what matters is who it is used on. As I understand it the birth control pill prevents conception by forcing menstruation? Or does it prevent ovulation? I don't actually know, but that's conceptually very different from terminating a conceived, existent being.
At every school I ever attended excluding K-5, there was a literal bucket of condoms in the student lounge or student outreach office or whatever. Planned Parenthood gives the pill out like it's candy. It is trivially easy to get birth control. This does not reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies, it actually increases them by teaching children that unmarried sex is normal, natural, and expected of them. IIRC something like 60% of aborted fetuses were conceived while using birth control.
I want a future where we don't murder our own children.
